Triggerhappytel
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Hard not to see this as kind of condescending, but it's actually very promising. If poorly phrased.
Please explain what you mean. I don't see any benefit in this indie parity clause.
Hard not to see this as kind of condescending, but it's actually very promising. If poorly phrased.
But Sony has explained the policies w.r.t. parity.I've been here for a while, nobody complained or even questioned about this and it was obvious when games like GTA3 took months to a year to release on the original XBOX despite the fact. How about people here demanding Sony be more open and explain their policies on the topic?[
Precisely. What makes this even worse is that despite Xbox fanboys who refuse to acknowledge when Microsoft does anything wrong, they are actually getting hurt by this too. Many indie dev games that are quite highly rated simply never came to Xbox One so far. That's partly because of the parity clause. And, we know of a bunch of games in the future already that have to skip out on XBO due to this.
So, treating Microsoft Xbox One fans as "first class citizens" actually means giving them access to a diminished and curated group of games wherein Microsoft is choosing what is OK for them to play, and other fans on other systems get to make the choice themselves and on top of that have a massively wider selection to begin with.
And if they can't work on these versions simultaneously they will not have any income even though versions of the game are already done.
The solution: Publish on Xbox first and delay every other version.
If you now think that the problem is solved, consider the thought experiment of Nintendo and Sony instituting the same policy.
Holy shit the war is real.
While that's surely a negative, part of me likes that I won't have to see a Steam-style over saturation of sub-par indie games on the XB1 store.
Ok. That makes sense.
I'm not saying being angry is always wrong. Its just that in many situations a more cool tone is more effective in communication. I can tell you are just more passionate about indie games than I am and that's cool. Phil Spencer seems like a reasonable guy. I'm sure if people if people respectfully reasoned with him via twitter he would at least consider his stance on the parity clause.
Bugging him on twitter got fans like myself a remake of Phantom Dust. He also often responds with upfront and honest answers when he doesn't need to.
So why do Microsoft back down on their own policy and allow games through?
I feel like you're insinuating that every person that doesn't necessarily see a problem with the parity clause is a fanboy. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
To the second bolded item: wat. So in the case of an indie dev that can pull of simultaneous release, that's just Microsoft curating the experience? That makes no sense.
The war against damaging indie developers continues.
Over saturation makes for studios making better, more unique games to stand out.
The dude goes out of his way and gives a great upfront and honest interview and people pick one small piece that they disagree with and make him out to be the reincarnation of Hitler or worse the evil stepson of Don Mattrick.
I disagree with him on this policy but I'm not gonna shit on him.
This is a discussion forum. We discuss what people in the industry say.
If you don't like it, you don't have to participate. Further, if HE does not like it, he should shut his stupid fucking mouth and stop spitting nonsense about the parity clause. Or, better yet, he should change it, because it's harmful to indie developers.
But I guess that's too much to ask for our corporate idols, they might get uncomfortable and shit!
Yo dude man, this is only about people's livelyhood that they earn by creating video games. Just chillax man, it's all cool breh.Dude you need to relax. Like you said this is a discussion about video games. Video games.
And thus the xb misses out on some great games.It's a business, Phil's primary focus is Microsofts/Xbox interest he shouldn't give a shit about how it the rockstar indies feel. If they don't like it, no one has a gun held against their heads. Re-releasing the game on Xbox after it's become irrelevant is nothing more but an insult to MS and they shouldn't stand for it. No company should.
It's a business, Phil's primary focus is Microsofts/Xbox interest he shouldn't give a shit about how it the rockstar indies feel. If they don't like it, no one has a gun held against their heads. Re-releasing the game on Xbox after it's become irrelevant is nothing more but an insult to MS and they shouldn't stand for it. No company should.
Exploratory said:Dude you need to relax. Like you said this is a discussion about video games. Video games.
Ahahahaha..... ridiculous!It's a business, Phil's primary focus is Microsofts/Xbox interest he shouldn't give a shit about how it the rockstar indies feel. If they don't like it, no one has a gun held against their heads. Re-releasing the game on Xbox after it's become irrelevant is nothing more but an insult to MS and they shouldn't stand for it. No company should.
Yo dude man, this is only about people's livelyhood that they earn by creating video games. Just chillax man, it's all cool breh.
Dude you need to relax. Like you said this is a discussion about video games. Video games.
Lol picturing this in my headTake a chair, benny! You want a cola? Yeah, we got some great Hors d'oeuvre prepared for you. You comfortable? Great, great...
Now, are you gonna release on our system day and date with PS4? No? Well fuck you guys, and gimme them damn Hors d'oeuvre's!
Exactly, it's all about video games, which is our hobby and we are very passionate about it, no need to tell people to relax when they talk about things they have passion for.
Everyone is out on PTO. See you in 2015!wtf is going on this week.
Is PR on a Industry wide cruise?
It's a business, Phil's primary focus is Microsofts/Xbox interest he shouldn't give a shit about how it the rockstar indies feel. If they don't like it, no one has a gun held against their heads. Re-releasing the game on Xbox after it's become irrelevant is nothing more but an insult to MS and they shouldn't stand for it. No company should.
I know plenty of developers who will never be on board for XB1 because of the parity clause.Curve Studios and their lineup of games is one.Devolver Digital is another.
Saying this doesn't affect games coming to XB1 is completely untrue.
Doesn't seem all that smart when your console is on the losing side.
As time passes and the gap between PS4 and X1 increases even more, this will carry less and less weight and will just result in X1 getting less games.
While I don't exactly agree with the parity clause (I'd rather receive a game late than not at all), I get where he's coming from.
Isn't Devolver involved in Shadow Warrior due out 10/21 on PS4 and XB1?
While that's surely a negative, part of me likes that I won't have to see a Steam-style over saturation of sub-par indie games on the XB1 store.
It's also flooding the indie space to the point where I don't even want to try the games sometimes. That's the negative effect in my opinion.
It's a business, Phil's primary focus is Microsofts/Xbox interest he shouldn't give a shit about how it the rockstar indies feel. If they don't like it, no one has a gun held against their heads. Re-releasing the game on Xbox after it's become irrelevant is nothing more but an insult to MS and they shouldn't stand for it. No company should.
Many people on GAF is over reacting. Sony had a similar clause for PS2 titles, where you had to release on PS2 first or it wouldn't be approved "If" the game wasn't from a big publisher ( the only way to avoid the clause ). If you released on the original xbox first, your chances of disapproval or even being blacklisted were extremely high ( and yes Sony America did blacklist developers ).
They also wouldn't approve the game unless it had something unique added. Like extra levels, bonus content or basically anything that would make the game better on their platform. Or... you wouldn't get approval
Many people on GAF have no idea these are standard practices for Sony & MS. Sony has traditionally had more strict policies compared to MS!
How so?
Getting Tomb Raider first will make Xbox owners still feel like first class citizens. I'm sure he doesn't give a fuck how PS fans feel, which is fine.
Holy shit the war is real.
Edit:
What sane platform holder would allow titles to come out 6-12 months later than on a rival console. It's insane, if the indie's don't like it then go platform exclusive. They moan it costs them money, well it's going to cost Microsoft money as well in missed revenue, effects of game not being available on their platforms.
It's a business, Phil's primary focus is Microsofts/Xbox interest he shouldn't give a shit about how it the rockstar indies feel. If they don't like it, no one has a gun held against their heads. Re-releasing the game on Xbox after it's become irrelevant is nothing more but an insult to MS and they shouldn't stand for it. No company should.
And thus the xb misses out on some great games.
But hey, it looks like Phil got through to someone. It always makes sense as a consumer to consider the company's business needs over your own consumer experience. Less games good because MS bottom line better.
Ahahahaha..... ridiculous!
So it's the developers fault?
And "an insult to MS"...., lol... I heard it all. Hilarious!
Holy shit this can't be real. So a dev that can only support one platform at the time should be automatically punished because their game don't have enough "hype". So all indie devs that don't have the resources and can only choose one platform and don't choose XB1 as that platform even though some circumstances don't allow for it or make it a less variable route will be considered "rockstars" according to you. Like seriously...
Wat? so you want no games that released on other plattforms before?
What a load of crap, but I understand, that's his job to spin things.
I'll help you.
Think of every little rockstar indie devs as a company instead of a person. Now read your comment again.
Now reevaluate why you needed to think of people as companies to get this.
The usual suspects doing the "all indies look the same" thing.
score PS4 Xbox
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80+ 21 3
The usual suspects doing the "all indies look the same" thing.
I'm indifferent, I've only bought a handful of indies and I only play those on the PC. Only got Minecraft on console but I don't regard that as typical "indie".
How did you get that from those two quotes?
Typical MS: dirty scumbags always play dirty and pretend to be good guys at the same time. I love gaming, I might prefer PlayStation, but I also love Ninty and PC and I was a huge fan of Sega. As for MS they can fuck off, they are the only gaming company I have no respect. And I don't get all the love for Spencer, he looks fake and creepy to me along with his sidekick Larry. Do what you gotta do MS, but you will not get my money.