Basically this. They are allowing it on PC too. Props to Sony for doing this.
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Sony is officially helping with funding and development with Shenmue 3
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Basically this. They are allowing it on PC too. Props to Sony for doing this.
That..that is madness. A great majority of people will still be able to play it in that case.
Yu Suzuki own the IP.
Pathfinder
Member
LOL.
100 dollars to have my name in a game shrouded by myth for 14yrs?
Yeah, they can have that crappy interest rate and present valuation of my dollars.
Protomanx13
Neo Member
I think Sega still has the license at least the trailer on kickstarter has the Sega TM logo
I heard Sega owns it but gave their blessing since he secured his own funding.
Man they need to send out an update! Not even a full day in and we are well over the goal. If they want to keep the momentum going they really need to get on top of this and say "HEY WOW! We are funded! More tiers and stretch goals coming very soon! We didn't expect such a fast response! We are working on the next steps, hang tight!"
Rapscallion
Member
Very happy that Sony is behind this; not that I don't trust Yu and his team, but certainly having a major develop behind the game will help.
It'll help the game not turn it...well, the video on the kickstarter.
It'll help the game not turn it...well, the video on the kickstarter.
Monkey_Plunkett
Member
Just pledged $50 despite never having played the previous two, my reasons though are quite peronal (posted in the other shenmue 3 thread) Hoping to see an remastered version of the first two but not counting on it really, hopefully Ill get to play em before this.
Littlefang
Member
Not a fan of this using kickstarter to essentially have people preorder the game before it's made. Like it's one thing if you need the funds to make your game but that $2 million isn't going to make a dent in this project. What happens if the game falls through or gets stuck in development hell for years? Nobody gets their money back which makes this a pretty scummy move imo.
dont understand why people are complaining the ps4/pc only options. True fans would buy it regardless
probably allowed suzuki to use the ip out of "good will"
probably allowed suzuki to use the ip out of "good will"
"SEGA has officially given us the rights to use the "Shenmue" license."
It is still SEGA's IP.
So much salt.... It fucking nuts here...
Great insider or Greatest insider?
maquiladora
Member
Tricked? They are openly stating their involvement in the game in the very first press interviews less than 24 hours after it was revealed. Non-refundable? You can easily remove your kickstarter pledge at any time until the kickstarter ends.
krackerjack
Member
Bingo
I'll take it a step further. Remember how Microsoft was bragging about spending $1 BILLION dollars at E3 2013 on games? Nope, Shenmue 3 wasn't worth their time. Hell, if it really turns out that FF7R really is PS4/PC only, then Microsoft didn't bother to secure what has a real chance of being the game of the generation.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Haha. If not for that though I'm laughing at the idea of this -- after all the hoopla over the goings on this past day -- getting shut down with a cease and desist order from Sega.
From all the work AM2 was doing at the end of Shenmue 2, working on generating enormous, organic forests, and what they said in the livestream about taking place in smaller villages, I think it's pretty obvious this one takes place in rural, wooded china.
I am curious to see what Yu Suzuki's forest simulation algorithms look like. Shenmue I and II were awesome because they did 2 very different things - Shenmue I was an insanely intricately detailed tiny city, where everything was scripted for months upon months down to the smallest detail. Shenmue II was, of course, a full simulation of one of the largest cities on the planet. It's neat that they're doing something different yet equally ambitious with Shenmue III. There are videos recently of Yu Suzuki talking about how they generated forests at the end of shenmue II and where the tech would have eventually gone, and how he had created this system to store ridiculously huge, detailed forests into tiny pieces of code that resided a very little space in memory. Crazy stuff, especially for 2000.
I have no idea what type of odd jobs they'll have this time. But man I can't wait. This is going to be so freaking cool.
Oh snap. I stand corrected then.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-04-suzuki-we-can-obtain-shenmue-license-from-sega
I buy stuff on Kickstarter all the time so I understand how it works. Generally i buy board games from small creators so I understand the Risks.
I would be pissed if I funded a game and then found out the developers were backdoor funded by Milton Bradley or some other large games company and just used by goodwill and money of donating for "market research."
The ends do not justify the means and this was Sony manipulating gamers because if it was an official Sony kickstarter for Shenmue and they did not trot out the creator the board would have a different tune.
If there aren't forklifts in this game, I am completely withdrawing my pledge
LlamaJohnson
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My comment wasn't made to get a response like that. I'm glad that it's getting made, and will be buying a ps4 in order to play it. I do think it's unfortunate that it has to come down to that, and the people who played the first two on a non Sony consent (like me) have to buy a new system for it. But yeah, I'm just as excited as everyone. I just wish it would be a wider release. Sorry if that didn't come across in my first post.
To Far Away Times
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Games aren't made off of just the amount donated to kickstarters. Not even close. I thought everyone pretty much knew these things were to try to get publishers, especially for some of the more ambitious and higher budget games.
Sega is just letting it happen. They've agreed to let Yu Suzuki use the license and IP if Yu Suzuki funds it entirely himself.
And, being the baller he is, Yu Suzuki has done just that. I wonder how many at Sega honestly ever thought he would pull this off.
I have no problem with it. If you don't want to back it don't back it. If you do you get some cool bonus content. Games get made that otherwise wouldn't. There's less risk for Sony and their backing will allow the game more budget to potentially be better. The economics of today practically force this type of game creation for mid tier budget games.
Night Hunter
Banned
Well, would you look at that. Almost 2.8 million now. It's almost as if all the naysayers didn't pull their pledges because they never really gave a fuck about this in the first place.
Deyjandi_Von
Member
"You have a heart of gold. Don't let them take it from you."
Arkam
Member
THEN you can blame Sony.
Til then sit down, be quiet and enjoy the greatest thing to happen to video games in years.
All the people going "I am not a fan of this approach" need to pull their heads out of their asses. There have been countless times when fans clamor for a game to come out and when it does come out no one buys it. I prefer this approach and actually invite more companies to go this way if it means we get more classic IPs coming back.
They verbally distanced themselves from Shenmue when they unveiled the Kickstarter, and admitted financial involvement after it had been 100% funded. I dunno what would have happened if it was taking longer to get things off the ground though.
AstroNut325
Member
So now to more important questions.. Are any of the tech gods at Sony Worldwide Studios going to help this game? It would be amazing if GG or ND or SSM can lend a technical hand.
None of them, that was why they gave Suzuki the permission for 3.
They were probably laughing their ass off behind his back.
thelastword
Banned
What? NO sailors.....?
Thank god that pop-in in the warehouse will be no more.
Good form, many need to learn from you and see the bigger picture, well done.Sjay said:
Rapscallion
Member
Sega would be insane not to capitalize on the buzz of the game and not release ports of the 1 and 2.
It's easy money.
It's easy money.
The first stretch goal that's been passed is a I&II recap vid, similar i'd imagine to the one that came on the extra disk of the XBox version of II.
Hope you're doing ok though, i saw the post in the other thread. I'm not 100% sure on the best way to play the others if you're getting them in the US as i'm PAL based, but good luck whichever way in the end.
They got about 1 more hour to raise $200k to wind up with a cool $3 million in 24 hours.
What an absolutely insane start to this kickstarter. This has to have obliterated even their wildest expectations. I honestly don't think they saw this coming.
This is all very logical, and I agree. But Sony took advantage of hype to manipulate it's audience. You can see that as bad or not, but it's true. One can see why Sony revealing they would help back the kickstarter themselves would dissuade rabid fan-pledging. So they opted out of revealing this fact. Even though this scenario was obvious to a lot of us, myself included - it doesn't stop the fact that a little dis-ingenuity was at play.
Just because Sony is the massive corporation and we are the fans - seriously, in this day-and-age of consumer entertainment - doesn't mean we should be OK with not being told the whole truth. If only because this may be the first of many big-company funded Kickstarters. Sure its ok with Shenmue, but what if (to take it to the impossible extreme) next year Activision are asking fans to fund Call of Duty with the same premise? #SaveCoD
maquiladora
Member
That is a risk taken when backing every game on kickstarter?
Right on, sir. This is the ultimate fan-service move. Luckily, the fans are like the fucking North and WE NEVER FORGOT. We've been here, waiting for the path to open so we could put all our support into it.
Sony already made me fall back in love with them with all the cool things they've been doing since they got hungry again some years back. But this, this is just over the top amazing. Above and beyond. I'll always be so grateful to Sony for making this happen.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
And I apologize if I unfairly grouped your post in with the mountains of salt coming from unreasonable people in here. It's like nobody understands return on investment or good business sense.
Bro hug.
Not it is not a Sony game, the do not own anything. They take high risk.
They should, like, hire Yu Suzuki to make some games for them.
Like Virtua Fighter or Outrun.
Crazy idea, I know.
I don't think this is "The Man" trying to screw us. I don't think the Kickstarter is designed as a mere means to gauge interest for the game. The Kickstarter is more likely a means to eliminate financial risk for the investors, such as Sony. Perhaps $2 mil dollars is how much Sony expects to lose if they invest and the game flops commercially, or the difference between what they project the game will cost to produce and what they expect they will make from it. Us paying that amount gives them the security they need to move forward. I believe they are serious that they would not proceed with the game's development without our contributions to the Kickstarter. Any way you slice it, everyone wins. The Kickstarter donors get the game of their dreams for a significantly reduced cost, and the other investors get to contribute to an awesome game with reduced financial risk.
Night Angel
Member
Yes, please explain how Sony advertising a kickstarter for less than 10% of a project's cost in which people can choose to buy exclusive goodies (or just the game at a heavy discount) along with investing millions of their own money on a project that is unlikely to make a sizeable profit is taking advantage of backers. I'm waiting eagerly for your doubtless well-thought-out and amazing response.
As someone mentioned, SEGA owns the IP but have given the license to Yu Suzuki to make Shenmue 3.
This was Suzuki in 2014 - About Shenmue, Sega is not a problem at all. For Shenmue III, we need to define a specific budget and if I can gather enough for it, Sega will allow me to do it.
http://segabits.com/blog/2014/11/13...iii-and-beyond-in-new-shenmue-dojo-interview/
So SEGA probably knew in advance he was going to have the cash to do this.
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