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29 million PS4s and XB1s in North America and Europe as of June 31st

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RexNovis

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According to NPD and GFK the current install base for both PS4 and XB1 in North America (US and Canada) and Europe (Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, The Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and the UK) is 29 million.

This is up from 11 million i these markets at the same time last year.

Correction to title: as of June 30th.

Source ZhugeEX
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Thanks Zhuge!
 
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Toki767

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Guessing it's something like 18 million PS4, 11 million Xbox One.

Maybe even more lopsided. Really curious how much the Xbox One has sold in Asia.
 
Chobel

Chobel

Member
Anyone knows how much did PS4 and XBO sell in NPD?

EDIT: Did some research, PS4+XBO have sold more than 15.7 million units.
 
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RexNovis

Banned
komplanen said:
For people who are from the US: NPD's definition of Europe is by far the most of Europe but not all of.
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RIght there are definitely some missing territories. The biggest markets missing from this currently are the Middle East and UAE which Sony have stated has been a HUGE growth market for them. IT is also of course missing the Asian markets but by all accounts neither console is selling particularly well in Asian territories (Japan, China etc) XB1 is performing significantly worse in those territories though.

Son Of D said:
June 31st? I'm assuming he means June 30th. Or maybe July 31st, depends on when the data goes out.
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LMAO cant believe I didnt catch that. Yea I'm assuming he meant June 30th. Updated the OP. Hopefully a MOD can fix the title.
 
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Alex_Mexico

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Toki767 said:
Guessing it's something like 18 million PS4, 11 million Xbox One.

Maybe even more lopsided. Really curious how much the Xbox One has sold in Asia.
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We already know the worldwide number for PS4. We just have to substract Japan's number and we pretty much have the almost exact split. Not sure how much RotW weights in all this.
 
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Felspawn

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wesleyshark said:
But console gaming is dead. DEAD. IT DIED OKAY.
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Lol its amazing how some people just dont understand that not everyone wants a PC and actually want a Console. "oh they must be poor peasants" ... right #eyeroll. With the last gen taking as long as it did, and PC gaming as cheap and accessible as its ever been, if ever there was a time for console gaming to die it was then and yet the sales speak for themselves.....
 
GribbleGrunger

GribbleGrunger

Dreams in Digital
Sony said they have 70% of the European market and we know the sales for the US. Some one do the maths because I'm useless at maths.
 
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Guymelef

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Alex_Mexico said:
We already know the worldwide number for PS4. We just have to substract Japan's number and we pretty much have the almost exact split. Not sure how much RotW weights in all this.
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We don't, we know shipped numbers.
GFK and NPD talk about sell-through numbers.

GribbleGrunger said:
Sony said they have 70% of the European market and we know the sales for the US. Some one do the maths because I'm useless at maths.
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It's not that easy.

“Well, we have market leadership in every country in Europe, and have very significant market leadership in continental Europe. Extremely significant. I don’t think market-share’s any less than 70%, and frequently greater than 90% in continental Europe.”
 
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RexNovis

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Toki767 said:
Guessing it's something like 18 million PS4, 11 million Xbox One.

Maybe even more lopsided. Really curious how much the Xbox One has sold in Asia.
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That looks pretty accurate. A ratio of 1.9:1 certainly fits. It might actually be a bit too much in Sony's favor given the limited markets counted include XB1 two strongest territories. I think I'd put it at 17 and 12 myself.
 
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Deleted member 20920

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RexNovis said:
RIght there are definitely some missing territories. The biggest markets missing from this currently are the Middle East and UAE which Sony have stated has been a HUGE growth market for them. IT is also of course missing the Asian markets but by all accounts neither console is selling particularly well in Asian territories (Japan, China etc) XB1 is performing significantly worse in those territories though.



LMAO cant believe I didnt catch that. Yea I'm assuming he meant June 30th. Updated the OP. Hopefully a MOD can fix the title.
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It's probably doing ok in Asian regions besides Japan. I think last year when they had an Asian conference they said it was selling faster than the PS3 or so. Can't remember the details. Japan is probably the biggest drop and the odd one out
 
GribbleGrunger

GribbleGrunger

Dreams in Digital
Guymelef said:
We don't, we know shipped numbers.
GFK and NPD talk about sell-through numbers.


It's not that easy.

“Well, we have market leadership in every country in Europe, and have very significant market leadership in continental Europe. Extremely significant. I don’t think market-share’s any less than 70%, and frequently greater than 90% in continental Europe.”
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Generally speaking though, we can work with 70%. What is 70% of (29m - US?)
 
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RexNovis

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Alex_Mexico said:
We already know the worldwide number for PS4. We just have to substract Japan's number and we pretty much have the almost exact split. Not sure how much RotW weights in all this.
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No this is not true at all. This does not include one of PS4s biggest growth markets: the Middle East. We dont have enough data at this time to make an accurate calculation. The best we can do is estimate.
 
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Moonstone

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komplanen said:
For people who are from the US: NPD's definition of Europe is by far the most of Europe but not all of.
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I don't understand. He's citing GFK which track europe. I think all of it. They are also active in the middle east and in parts of Asia.

This has nothing to do with NPD. That not all EU countries are listed by zhuge doesn't mean that these countries don't get tracked by GFK.

Might have other reasons - for instance it is not as easy to compare the data per country, as there are different factors used and so on. It's probably because of the actual source where zhuge has it from.
 
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bombshell

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FATALITY said:
No way.
I would say 20m ps4 and 9 m xbox
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You need to consider that the markets included here are pretty much every market that Xbox One has sold any noticeable amount, while the PS4 is selling well in a lot more markets. With your numbers they're basically the same in those other markets, which isn't true.
 
Mikey Jr.

Mikey Jr.

Member
Wow, 11m more consoles than previous gen.

That is fucking amazing. Damn! So glad!

So glad our favourite hobby is doing well.
 
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Alex_Mexico

Member
RexNovis said:
No this is not true at all. This does not include one of PS4s biggest growth markets: the Middle East. We dont have enough data at this time to make an accurate calculation. The best we can do is estimate.
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Is the Middle East now a bigger market than Latin America? At least until recently I was under the impression that the fourth biggest market area (after NA, Japan/Asia, and PAL territories).
 
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kswiston

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pvpness said:
Yeah, I'm curious about the match up between PS3/360/Wii vs. PS4/XB1/WiiU. I know the Wii doesn't count, but I'd still like to know.
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Not perfect, but Wii had shipped 23M consoles outside of Japan as of the end of June 2008. Not a ton of those were sitting on shelves.

US sales by the end of June 2008 were 10.9M for the Wii according to NPD.
 
Shpeshal Nick

Shpeshal Nick

aka Collingwood
Hm. Interesting numbers. They don't seem to add up though.

Combined they've shipped 40 million worldwide. 11 million in other markets combined with sitting on shelves? Asia isn't buying them and Australia isn't big enough.
 
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kswiston

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Collingwood said:
Hm. Interesting numbers. They don't seem to add up though.

Combined they've shipped 40 million worldwide. 11 million in other markets combined with sitting on shelves? Asia isn't buying them and Australia isn't big enough.
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If "Europe" only includes the territories listed in that Tweet, the remaining countries in Europe, the Middle East, Latin America, Asia, and Australia probably add up to the rest. Figure at least 3M of those units between the two systems are sitting on shelves worldwide. Japan is pretty close to 2M systems. Now the difference is 6M.
 
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Alo0oy

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Alex_Mexico said:
We already know the worldwide number for PS4. We just have to substract Japan's number and we pretty much have the almost exact split. Not sure how much RotW weights in all this.
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No, RotW is very big for PS4, subtracting Japan won't do anything.
 
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RexNovis

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Alex_Mexico said:
Is the Middle East now a bigger market than Latin America? At least until recently I was under the impression that the fourth biggest market area (after NA, Japan/Asia, and PAL territories).
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I honestly do not know I just know that Sony has stated over and over that Middle East is by far their biggest growth market this gen. So clearly that means it shouldnt be dismissed when considering any sort of split calculation.

Collingwood said:
Hm. Interesting numbers. They don't seem to add up though.

Combined they've shipped 40 million worldwide. 11 million in other markets combined with sitting on shelves? Asia isn't buying them and Australia isn't big enough.
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There are a lot more markets missing form this total than just Australia and Asia.

Edit: the post below explained better than I did

kswiston said:
If "Europe" only includes the territories listed in that Tweet, the remaining countries in Europe, the Middle East, Latin America, Asia, and Australia probably add up to the rest. Figure at least 3M of those units between the two systems are sitting on shelves worldwide. Japan is pretty close to 2M systems. Now the difference is 6M.
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Alo0oy

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RexNovis said:
I honestly do not know I just know that Sony has stated over and over that Middle East is by far their biggest growth market this gen. So clearly that means it shouldnt be dismissed when considering any sort of split calculation.
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We never had any numbers for the entire Middle East, but PS4 sold 1 million at the beginning of year in part of the Middle East (Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Saudi, UAE...the population there is about ~50 million). But we don't know how much it sold in the Levant or North Africa.
 
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RexNovis

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Alo0oy said:
We never had any numbers for the entire Middle East, but PS4 sold 1 million at the beginning of year in part of the Middle East (Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Saudi, UAE...the population there is about ~50 million). But we don't know how much it sold in the Levant or North Africa.
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Yea I've never heard any solid numbers out of the Middle East apart from initial sales figures. But seeing as Sony has listed it as their biggest growth market on numerous occasions one can obviously assume it is providing them with a substantial amount of sales whatever the exact figure might be.

I'm also curious how successful the consoles have been in Russia. It tends to be far more PC gaming centric but I'm sure its had an impact of some kind as well.
 
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Alo0oy

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RexNovis said:
Yea I've never heard any solid numbers out of the Middle East apart from initial sales figures. But seeing as Sony has listed it as their biggest growth market on numerous occasions one can obviously assume it is providing them with a substantial amount of sales whatever the exact figure might be.

I'm also curious how successful the consoles have been in Russia. It tends to be far more PC gaming centric but I'm sure its had an impact of some kind as well.
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Russia still seems to me very PC-centric, I've never heard of any console franchise doing that well in Russia.
 
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ZhugeEX

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Collingwood said:
Hm. Interesting numbers. They don't seem to add up though.

Combined they've shipped 40 million worldwide. 11 million in other markets combined with sitting on shelves? Asia isn't buying them and Australia isn't big enough.
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You can't compare sell through to sell in.

Also bear in mind that these numbers are just North America and Mainland Europe. They do not include Eastern Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia, Australasia and Latin America.
 
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Javin98

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ZhugeEX said:
You can't compare sell through to sell in.

Also bear in mind that these numbers are just North America and Mainland Europe. They do not include Eastern Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia, Australasia and Latin America.
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Oh my God, you're back! Welcome home, Zhuge! :)
 
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The Artisan

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ZhugeEX said:
You can't compare sell through to sell in.

Also bear in mind that these numbers are just North America and Mainland Europe. They do not include Eastern Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia, Australasia and Latin America.
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welcome back zhuge!

you also mentioned that minecraft is launching on xbone in china, which'll help solidify the brand, I think that's true. is it reasonable to believe that maybe minecraft won't even be released on Ps4 at all?
 
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The Artisan

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alexandros said:
Very good sales by any measure. We will see now whether both platforms can maintain that momentum going forward.
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after this year it'll be officially two years in, yeah? so by 2016 I guess the 8th gen won't be a "new" thing anymore. so the term "next gen" should apply strictly to nx/Ps5/xbox two
 
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Javin98

Banned
Like one of the posters said above, I see the split being 18 million for PS4 and 11 million for XB1. My prediction of 24 million PS4 sold through worldwide by 30th June 2015 seems quite reasonable, I guess.

The Artisan said:
welcome back zhuge!

you also mentioned that minecraft is launching on xbone in china, which'll help solidify the brand, I think that's true. is it reasonable to believe that maybe minecraft won't even be released on Ps4 at all?
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Hey, Microsoft is trying to get that 1% of China on board! ;)
 
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