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[cabot]

I still don't understand what this is about, can somebody explain it like I'm 5? What's a principle lynch?

I was referring to this exchange:

Let me ask you another question, why aren't you soaked right now?

it's raining on the people who made it on the mission, and everyone but you is getting soaked.

Now you've lost more points because I've had to quote this horrible gotcha, damn you squidy.

(While policy lynches are a thing as Palmer states, this was intended as a joke!)

 

[Palmer_v1]

I was referring to this exchange:





Now you've lost more points because I've had to quote this horrible gotcha, damn you squidy.

(While policy lynches are a thing as Palmer states, this was intended as a joke!)

I just happen to agree that squidy's joke was so terrible that it might be worth a policy lynch.

 

[squidyj]

Guys pls

 

[Zubz]

dont be so excited! you'll get your turn, soon enough!

You had me at "dont."

We're trained agents and you're just a crab posing as a high school student. I'm not afOUCH he pinched me with his claws.

Back to his old tricks, I see!

As far as Arkos goes, he genuinely seems to be a new player who's not sure what he's doing. He might be going a little too fast, trying to volunteer while still getting a feel for GAFia, but I think it's more out of curiosity and less out of behaving suspiciously. Unless someone told him not to just sit back and let nothing happen in, say, the KGB meeting before we all got to work today...

Either way, I appreciate that you're seeking feedback. That's a good step forward! And I never heard the term "principle lynch" before today, either, and despite a mostly-break for the 2 years before Matty's Star Wars game, I've been playing the game for roughly 5 years. Granted, I never heard of a "policy lynch," either. We usually just said it was a vote to get someone disruptive out of the way, and never bothered to use a term for it.

And I'm still not sure where Squidy is going with that "soaked" thing. I think I'm starting to become more suspicious of him and Mazre than Tiger now.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Guys pls

 

[cabot]

I actually agree this is kind of suspicious lol. If my reasons are so bad then it is kind of strange for somebody to follow me so quickly. But I just like to think that cooljeanius is a smart dude and gets it.

So you agree that this behaviour is suspicious, but cooljeanius is smart and gets it?

Yeah, it's a wonder I doubt you, let's go through his contributions:

Okay, I was already leaning towards voting squidyj, but Arkos's last comment has given me enough reasons to satisfy my confirmation bias, so now I'll:

Vote: squidyj

Alright he doesn't really come up with his own take, but just agrees with you and votes for Mr. Soaked (Never Forget).

The most memorable mafia game I remember, it was the people at both the top and the bottom of the activity chart that were the mafia, while everyone in the middle was the town... So I'm suspicious of squidyj.

Pulls out this line from tales of the crypt, though in fairness it was the most memorable mafia game he remembers, I unfortunately don't such research available to me.

Finally, regarding reading scum behaviour:

Not analogous. Posting a lot can actually be part of a mafia member's strategy to avoid detection, whereas our usernames were all chosen before the game even started, and thus have no bearing on our alignment.


I'm still not really sure why that would make me mafia...

Doesn't understand why posting fluff would be seen as scummy behaviour. I'm thinking maybe he's just a bit flustered and isn't thinking straight, but then...

Well, it looks like it ultimately comes down to a difference in values, then. I disagree, but I doubt I'd be able to convince you of that...

Quoting me here, with regards to my explanation that people who discuss a lot have much higher potential to slip up and be revealed if scum. We don't share values, we were never meant to be.


So I'm gonna have to say I don't agree with you on cooljeanius with regards to Mafia play. Frankly, why you think so highly of him is interesting in itself, perhaps he was the smart guy in the pre-game mafia chat? OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH


Okay, that's quite enough from me.

 

[cabot]

Pulls out this line from tales of the crypt, though in fairness it was the most memorable mafia game he remembers, I unfortunately don't have such research available to me.

God I can't even be smug properly. This game is a bogey.

 

[Ourobolus]

I just happen to agree that squidy's joke was so terrible that it might be worth a policy lynch.

I seriously debated a mod-kill.

 

[Arkos]

So you agree that this behaviour is suspicious, but cooljeanius is smart and gets it?

Yeah, it's a wonder I doubt you, let's go through his contributions:

I was jokingly saying that because he agreed with me and I'd like to be right. I haven't put any thought into cooljeanius beyond seeing him get called out once or twice.

 

[cooljeanius]

I actually agree this is kind of suspicious lol. If my reasons are so bad then it is kind of strange for somebody to follow me so quickly. But I just like to think that cooljeanius is a smart dude and gets it.

I had my own reasons ahead of time; I wasn't even really using yours. I probably would've voted for him anyways; your vote was just a convenient excuse.

Pulls out this line from tales of the crypt, though in fairness it was the most memorable mafia game he remembers, I unfortunately don't such research available to me.

Sorry, it was on a different forum (the Wizards of the Coast ones) like over a decade ago, back when I was still in high school (or maybe it was middle school)... it's been a really long time since I've played this game, so maybe the meta has changed since then? idk...

 

[cabot]

 

[squidyj]

You had me at "dont."



Back to his old tricks, I see!

As far as Arkos goes, he genuinely seems to be a new player who's not sure what he's doing. He might be going a little too fast, trying to volunteer while still getting a feel for GAFia, but I think it's more out of curiosity and less out of behaving suspiciously. Unless someone told him not to just sit back and let nothing happen in, say, the KGB meeting before we all got to work today...

Either way, I appreciate that you're seeking feedback. That's a good step forward! And I never heard the term "principle lynch" before today, either, and despite a mostly-break for the 2 years before Matty's Star Wars game, I've been playing the game for roughly 5 years. Granted, I never heard of a "policy lynch," either. We usually just said it was a vote to get someone disruptive out of the way, and never bothered to use a term for it.

And I'm still not sure where Squidy is going with that "soaked" thing. I think I'm starting to become more suspicious of him and Mazre than Tiger now.

Listen all I was saying was he was getting surprisingly little pressure and attention relative to the other members of the mission group and I found it suspicious.

 

[Hobohodo]

Okay so Seath has 32 posts in this thread and MAYBE 2 of them can be seen as contributing. If you count just revenge voteing Haly for last game as contributing. I mean that's a hell of a lot of fluff which makes him a decent candidate in my eyes.

 

[cabot]

I had my own reasons ahead of time; I wasn't even really using yours. I probably would've voted for him anyways; your vote was just a convenient excuse.

Sorry, it was on a different forum (the Wizards of the Coast ones) like over a decade ago, back when I was still in high school (or maybe it was middle school)... it's been a really long time since I've played this game, so maybe the meta has changed since then? idk...

I'd say old info from a long time ago isn't going to really help, so bringing it up as a point (which seems to be the only reason you've posted that I can see which implies Squidy as a possible lynch choice) probably wasn't the greatest decision, though I feel I was perhaps too venomous and now I feel very bad.

I'm horrible.

You've said you've had your own reasons, care to share?

 

[cooljeanius]

I was jokingly saying that because he agreed with me and I'd like to be right. I haven't put any thought into cooljeanius beyond seeing him get called out once or twice.

It's okay man, I get where you're coming from. Feel free to put more thought into the possibilities of me being mafia, as long as it doesn't distract you from thinking about the posters who are actual mafia members... (whoever they are; I'm still not really sure myself...)

 

[cabot]

Okay so Seath has 32 posts in this thread and MAYBE 2 of them can be seen as contributing. If you count just revenge voteing Haly for last game as contributing. I mean that's a hell of a lot of fluff which makes him a decent candidate in my eyes.

You're right it's pretty fluffy, and then there's this:

He could be part of the KGB. I'm not. I wipe my hands clean and state that my role is with the rest of the regular folks. I win as long as I don't get killed.

Also, a rabbi jinxed me. It seems from my character's description that he was awesome, but decided to follow the word of a rabbi which for some reason, makes me like a religious peaceful person? I don't know, never watched Archer nor intend to.

I can only vote like the rest of you. Which sucks.

Is he just adding madness to the fluff? or is this admittance of a third party role with no ability?

 

[QuantumBro]

So I was going to vote for the first person to unvolunteer, but since that hasn't happened yet, I looked elsewhere.

I'd like to point out Visualante2. So far, he's been floating on by with quick posts that don't say much. His only post with some meat in it is...

While I agree that inactive posters have a responsibility to pull their weight. New comers should be given a break. A good portion of the discussion so far has been about previous games which some of us weren't part of. What do you expect us to say? Not to mention all the people double posting to correct errors is shifting the balance.

Palmer_v1 raises some good points about the mission, but what rubs me wrong is the tone of his posts. Could just be an experienced player throwing his weight around I guess.

I think Enker is on the money tonight, but I anticipate other problems coming after the fact. Besides we should get some interesting information in the mean time.

Thanks for the summary roytheone. Cabbeh on your first point, Ouro set it up as voluntary to make the game more interesting to watch, and perhaps to play. Subverting that to gain a competitive advantage is completely within the rules. In my opinion after the first night we should be ignoring the mission until we have a good reason to use it. Any sort of delay just kicks the can down the road in my opinion. If people want in on the mission they will do it at hour 1 or hour 24. One key thing I'm struggling to see is where player's personality is shining through rather than their role. Some people just like to have things nice and neat, while some roles will prefer predictability or chaos.

This probably counts as fluff. Sorry, it's hard for me to know what's going on without a list of roles. I'm used to knowing there is a mafia, town, cop, fool, doctor etc.

I don't believe that's an option. 4 players must be on the mission. I think trying to protect people this way will be a losing battle.

...which is also the last post he made, over 24 hours ago.

Now I'm pretty sure that there's one KGB member among the lower posters, but I wanted to focus on Visualante2 since all the other lower posters have been called out or voted on.

With all that said...
Vote: Visualante2

 

[squidyj]

I had my own reasons ahead of time; I wasn't even really using yours. I probably would've voted for him anyways; your vote was just a convenient excuse.

Sorry, it was on a different forum (the Wizards of the Coast ones) like over a decade ago, back when I was still in high school (or maybe it was middle school)... it's been a really long time since I've played this game, so maybe the meta has changed since then? idk...

the only argument I've seen you put forward falls under what I addressed in response to arkos. I'm not mafia and it's not the right time to be getting rid of highly active players. You're weakening town to the benefit of mafia if you're wrong, just because somebody sometime is good enough to be active and mafia doesn't mean the action is meta defining or that it is a good strategy to hunt out that kind of player from day 1.

 

[cabot]

I'd like to point out Visualante2. So far, he's been floating on by with quick posts that don't say much. His only post with some meat in it is...

...which is also the last post he made, over 24 hours ago.

Now I'm pretty sure that there's one KGB member among the lower posters, but I wanted to focus on Visualante2 since all the other lower posters have been called out or voted on.

Enker was the guy who thought all 4 initial volunteers could be mafia, which makes me think he's mildly crazy, or that he's a mafia and knows those four are safe.

Thank you for agreeing with me, I was beginning to think I was nuts. I think day 1 KGB putting all 4 in the mission gives them the best odds because of the randomness of the day, the littlest thing can get someone lynched.

This is not to say they did that successfully of course, there is no way to know what the odds are, but lynching in the group of 4 is probably better odds then the town proper.

Basically agreeing with Enker has raised my suspicions a little bit. I encourage him to speak up and not think about the banes of being a new player, just embrace it!

 

[cooljeanius]

I'd say old info from a long time ago isn't going to really help, so bringing it up as a point (which seems to be the only reason you've posted that I can see which implies Squidy as a possible lynch choice) probably wasn't the greatest decision, though I feel I was perhaps too venomous and now I feel very bad.

I'm horrible.

You've said you've had your own reasons, care to share?

Well, just what's already been covered, which has been the sheer volume of posting. Oh, and I suppose the broken tags thing might be coloring my perception a little, too, and, while I realize that's a bad reason, it's Day 1, and I don't have much else to go on... Tell me, if you weren't voting for me, who else would you have been voting for instead? Or did you already say this previously, in which case, remind me?

the only argument I've seen you put forward falls under what I addressed in response to arkos. I'm not mafia and it's not the right time to be getting rid of highly active players.

Okay, so when is the right time then?

You're weakening town to the benefit of mafia if you're wrong,

Couldn't you say that about any vote to lynch anyone, though?

just because somebody sometime is good enough to be active and mafia doesn't mean the action is meta defining or that it is a good strategy to hunt out that kind of player from day 1.

Okay, fine:

Unvote: squidyj

 

[roytheone]

Okay so Seath has 32 posts in this thread and MAYBE 2 of them can be seen as contributing. If you count just revenge voteing Haly for last game as contributing. I mean that's a hell of a lot of fluff which makes him a decent candidate in my eyes.

So I just checked Seath posts and.....yeah, you are right. Almost all of his posts are either jokes about the tag we use to vote or random one sentence nonsense. The only two game related things he did were saying he is a normal drone and voting for Haly with as reason that Haly volunteered, but he didn't say ANYTHING why he choose Haly over one of the other volunteers. I want him to explain that, why Haly out of all the volunteers? So:

vote: Seath

Seath, please explain your reasoning to vote for Haly better, just "he volunteered" isn't enough.

 

[Zubz]

I seriously debated a mod-kill.

Let me ask you another question, why isn't Squidy is soaked right now? It's raining on the people who made it on the mission, and... Oh, wait. I guess it all just evaporated. Because of that horrible burn.

Is he just adding madness to the fluff? or is this admittance of a third party role with no ability?

I mean, he said he never saw the show. I don't remember any rabbis in it, so that seems out of nowhere. Unless the old gypsy woman's involved here.

I'd like to point out Visualante2. So far, he's been floating on by with quick posts that don't say much. His only post with some meat in it is...

...which is also the last post he made, over 24 hours ago.

Now I'm pretty sure that there's one KGB member among the lower posters, but I wanted to focus on Visualante2 since all the other lower posters have been called out or voted on.

With all that said...
Vote: Visualante2

Maybe he was just busy, though? I dunno, I can see someone going 24 hours without a substantial post. Maybe not 24 hours of radio silence, but maybe everything they wanted to say was already covered by someone else?

 

[cabot]

Well, just what's already been covered, which has been the sheer volume of posting. Oh, and I suppose the broken tags thing might be coloring my perception a little, too, and, while I realize that's a bad reason, it's Day 1, and I don't have much else to go on... Tell me, if you weren't voting for me, who else would you have been voting for instead? Or did you already say this previously, in which case, remind me?

My suspicious list is kinda expanding based on what I've followed after various people are bringing up insights. Currently:

Seath: As hobo pointed out, fluff, fluff and fluff. The weird comment I quoted is also is alerting me.
Enker: Thinking that all of the early volunteers are KGB is very odd. The point is brought up that they'd want to save themselves from lynches, but the truth is there a minority in a large group currently, and the night chats would be completely useless if it was just a secondary mafia chat. The missions are not just a lynch safe haven, it's another avenue to discuss and potentially exploit other members (in revealing mafia roles, or town power roles)
Septimus Prime: Agreed with Enker on the all KGB volunteer theory, giving off strange vibes when i read posts.
YNONOY: Initially I thought she was safe but I misread that, now I see a lot of role playing and not too much of anything else. She won't be a day 1 lynch because frankly I am enjoying reading her posts, but she's being watched with my eyes.
Arkos: Whilst what he said was true about day 1 not having particularly good reasoning, I still think his were below par.

I'll lump the other inactives together because that's just not beneficial to town.

 

[squidyj]

Well, just what's already been covered, which has been the sheer volume of posting. Oh, and I suppose the broken tags thing might be coloring my perception a little, too, and, while I realize that's a bad reason, it's Day 1, and I don't have much else to go on... Tell me, if you weren't voting for me, who else would you have been voting for instead? Or did you already say this previously, in which case, remind me?

Okay, so when is the right time then?
Couldn't you say that about any vote to lynch anyone, though?
Okay, fine:

Unvote: squidyj

the right time is a. any time you have a very good read that you can back up based on other information, b. late in the game.

Obviously we want to lynch mafia and not town and any town we mislynch is a blow to town but it would be a mistake to pretend that all players here are of equal value to town. We want to take effort to minimize our risk when we lynch this early because there is a likelihood that we will be wrong.

 

[cabot]

Let me ask you another question, why isn't Squidy is soaked right now? It's raining on the people who made it on the mission, and... Oh, wait. I guess it all just evaporated. Because of that horrible burn.

Beautiful.

I'm going to take a posting break now.

 

[squidyj]

wow all this attention, I should do stuff like that more often.

 

[cabot]

wow all this attention, I should do stuff like that more often.

You definitely haven't taken the right thing away from this attention....

 

[Zubz]

wow all this attention, I should do stuff like that more often.

This isn't really the kind of game where you want attention, though. Especially this kind of attention.

 

[QuantumBro]

Enker was the guy who thought all 4 initial volunteers could be mafia, which makes me think he's mildly crazy, or that he's a mafia and knows those four are safe.




Basically agreeing with Enker has raised my suspicions a little bit. I encourage him to speak up and not think about the banes of being a new player, just embrace it!

Enker and Septimus Prime's conversation speaks of confusion more than anything. Septimus thought that going on the mission excluded them from a lynch.

I'll keep an eye on Enker though.

Maybe he was just busy, though? I dunno, I can see someone going 24 hours without a substantial post. Maybe not 24 hours of radio silence, but maybe everything they wanted to say was already covered by someone else?

My vote was mainly done to point him out and give him reason to post. I don't really wanna bandwagon on the first day until it's almost over. We've been doing a good job of spreading our votes out and not ganging up on someone so far.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Septimus thought that going on the mission excluded them from a lynch.

Yeah, my bad for that. I wasn't trying to confuse people.

 

[Kevyt]

Crab is in this game?

 

[Zubz]

Crab is in this game?

Nah. He just likes to poke his head in. Others from the other games have done the same thing to us, and we've done the same thing to other games, so it's all cool.

 

[Ourobolus]

Crab is in this game?

In spirit.

 

[El Topo]

Crab is in this game?

Not for long.

 

[Hobohodo]

Seath: As hobo pointed out, fluff, fluff and fluff. The weird comment I quoted is also is alerting me.

He did a similar thing last game really. Load of guff posts and didn't really step up till the pressure was on. By then though Haly saw to it that he was voted out. ;D

Vote: Seath

Participate man, your not even attempting to discuss stuff.

 

[Kevyt]

He did a similar thing last game really. Load of guff posts and didn't really step up till the pressure was on. By then though Haly saw to it that he was voted out. ;D

Vote: Seath

Participate man, your not even attempting to discuss stuff.

!!!!

I'm participating. And if the last game is anything to go by, then Mafia are those who barely post and just go with the flow. I'm looking at those who barely post. Also, they'll be the ones that make it to the end-game. I can already see it.

 

[Ourobolus]

HEY HEY HEY
MALORY IS NOT YOUR PROXY
I AM GOING TO ASSUME THAT WAS A SIMPLE LAPSE IN JUDGMENT

 

[Zubz]

HEY HEY HEY
MALORY IS NOT YOUR PROXY
I AM GOING TO ASSUME THAT WAS A SIMPLE LAPSE IN JUDGMENT

We're totally going to see a mod-kill in this game, aren't we?

 

[Kevyt]

HEY HEY HEY
MALORY IS NOT YOUR PROXY
I AM GOING TO ASSUME THAT WAS A SIMPLE LAPSE IN JUDGMENT

 

[El Topo]

Seath falsely abuses Mallory as a proxy and has basically the same avatar as YNnNY. I'm not saying that is conclusive evidence that we should lynch him, but it is conclusive evidence that we should lynch him.

Joking aside, anyone have a good idea on who is a suspect/who we should lynch?

 

[cooljeanius]

My suspicious list is kinda expanding based on what I've followed after various people are bringing up insights. Currently:

Seath: As hobo pointed out, fluff, fluff and fluff. The weird comment I quoted is also is alerting me.
Enker: Thinking that all of the early volunteers are KGB is very odd. The point is brought up that they'd want to save themselves from lynches, but the truth is there a minority in a large group currently, and the night chats would be completely useless if it was just a secondary mafia chat. The missions are not just a lynch safe haven, it's another avenue to discuss and potentially exploit other members (in revealing mafia roles, or town power roles)
Septimus Prime: Agreed with Enker on the all KGB volunteer theory, giving off strange vibes when i read posts.
YNONOY: Initially I thought she was safe but I misread that, now I see a lot of role playing and not too much of anything else. She won't be a day 1 lynch because frankly I am enjoying reading her posts, but she's being watched with my eyes.
Arkos: Whilst what he said was true about day 1 not having particularly good reasoning, I still think his were below par.

I'll lump the other inactives together because that's just not beneficial to town.

Okay, I've seen other people being suspicious of Enker, too; your reasons for being suspicious of him seem to be the strongest out of those...

the right time is a. any time you have a very good read that you can back up based on other information, b. late in the game.

Obviously we want to lynch mafia and not town and any town we mislynch is a blow to town but it would be a mistake to pretend that all players here are of equal value to town. We want to take effort to minimize our risk when we lynch this early because there is a likelihood that we will be wrong.

Really? The bolded seems kinda self-serving to me... So you have a greater value to the town just because you post a lot? Oh well, whatever; I've already un-voted for you, so there's no further need to convince me, but still... I think it'd be more helpful to the town if you kicked your post volume down a few notches...

 

[cabot]

Alright, last day I can do this before its lynching time, so I'll change my vote.

VOTE:Enker

I've made my feelings clear, care to elaborate on the all mafia volunteer theory? perhaps throw some other opinions? I'll catch em all, I swear!

 

[Kevyt]

Enker seems like a good choice considering he only has 8 posts but I'd like to hear him defend himself.

Sorry Enker, pressure's on you for now.

Un-obliterate: Haly

Obliterate: Enker

 

[Arkos]

Okay so Seath has 32 posts in this thread and MAYBE 2 of them can be seen as contributing. If you count just revenge voteing Haly for last game as contributing. I mean that's a hell of a lot of fluff which makes him a decent candidate in my eyes.

You're right it's pretty fluffy, and then there's this:

Is he just adding madness to the fluff? or is this admittance of a third party role with no ability?

Thank you! I tried to ask what this post was about and nobody responded. Seath is that a role claim? I am also wary of this "Seath" character.

 

[Haly]

Comedy central in the Danganronpa thread.

Seath, please explain your reasoning to vote for Haly better, just "he volunteered" isn't enough.

He was lynched first in the AC game because I leaned on his inexperience to back him into a corner he couldn't get out of. Understandably, the memory still stings.

If we're talking inactives, the poster I don't see anyone mention often now is EzekelRage. His posts don't have the smell of scum to them, but it's a very stark contrast from his posting habits before. Of all the ex-AC players, he's the one who's most significantly deviated from my image of him.

 

[Palmer_v1]

HEY HEY HEY
MALORY IS NOT YOUR PROXY
I AM GOING TO ASSUME THAT WAS A SIMPLE LAPSE IN JUDGMENT

Miss Archer, can we get a vote count?

 

[Palmer_v1]

Comedy central in the Danganronpa thread.

Crab? He mad.

 

[Ourobolus]

Miss Archer, can we get a vote count?

I'm driving right now, so it'll have to wait unless a different mod wants to handle it

Also, Seath, your vote doesn't count.

 

[Kevyt]

Comedy central in the Danganronpa thread.

He was lynched first in the AC game because I leaned on his inexperience to back him into a corner he couldn't get out of. Understandably, the memory still stings.

If we're talking inactives, the poster I don't see anyone mention often now is EzekelRage. His posts don't have the smell of scum to them, but it's a very stark contrast from his posting habits before. Of all the ex-AC players, he's the one who's most significantly deviated from my image of him.

That is true about ezekelrage. I hadn't thought about that.

Also, to answer Roy's question, it was because you wanted to do the missionary thingy. I think anyone that volunteered could be suspicious, or maybe not.

 

[El Topo]

I'm slowly thinking we should just lynch an inactive player. Whether they're mafia or not, it harms the game and makes it less fun if some don't participate (for whatever reasons).