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[Intrigue]

PS3 was a huge financial disaster for Sony and they lost billions of dollars while MS made some profit with the X360. X360 is seen as a huge success for MS while PS3 is a failure for Sony. "Beating it" while taking a huge loss doesn't seem much of a win to me.

These corporations don't care about console sales like dumb fanboys do, it's all about the financial outcome.

Would love to see references to these statements. Because what I have seen/read before does not match up with this statement at all.

Maybe its the vagueness of HUGE vs Some

 

[Guevara]

The PS4 is a great console, and my only console this gen. However, I feel like they are on the cusp of a game explosion starting early next year.

Again, as a PS4 only gamer at the moment, the game library is a little light. I've made do but supplementing original PS4 games with indies and HD re-releases. But I've never had too much to play, and I look forward to that problem.

 

[Callibretto]

well deserved Sony, ps4 marketing campaign leading up to release is amazing. I really like this ps4 graphic comparison video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQTfAgF67k

 

[ninjablade]

PS3 was a huge financial disaster for Sony and they lost billions of dollars while MS made some profit with the X360. X360 is seen as a huge success for MS while PS3 is a failure for Sony. "Beating it" while taking a huge loss doesn't seem much of a win to me.

These corporations don't care about console sales like dumb fanboys do, it's all about the financial outcome.

Huh yes sony does care, thats why they were willing to take huge losses to keep the brand strong, these corporations just dont think about one gen, they think about 10-20 years from now if not more.

 

[Glorified G]

don't throw at me, but ain't it funny that this console sells so good even it has by far not all(!) the good features? It has some cool and most of all power, power power. But:
think of a PS4 with snapping Apps, backwards compatibility, the xbox one controller, voice control, windows 10 streaming and ea access - that would be cool. And it would mean 45 millionen sold.
But (in my eyes) unfortunately most of the cool things/features I like are things are on the other side. (Thats why their 14-15 million is good too).
PS4 numbers are fantastic!

To be fair Wii also never had the full industry backing or high failure rate the PS1 did either. I went through 3 PlayStations but only ever needed one Wii for the gen. My PS1 also saw pretty much every big 3rd party game release on it while my Wii only got a handful of them.

The PlayStation brand isn't impenetrable either. It's been a raging success in one area (game consoles) but we haven't seen Sony able to capitalize on that sustained success with PS in other markets yet (handheld, mobile, set top, streaming, other electronics, etc). It's sort of stuck in a box, a box that's doing quite well mind you, but it shows the brand itself has somewhat a narrow reach past that. Microsoft seems to be having a similar difficulty moving Xbox beyond the game console sphere too.

PS3 was a huge financial disaster for Sony and they lost billions of dollars while MS made some profit with the X360. X360 is seen as a huge success for MS while PS3 is a failure for Sony. "Beating it" while taking a huge loss doesn't seem much of a win to me.

These corporations don't care about console sales like dumb fanboys do, it's all about the financial outcome.

I'm pretty disappointed. I expected more salty fanboy drivel than we've seen so far, but this seems to be it. Much more reserved than the past PS4 shipment/sales threads.

 

[KurtSloane]

PS3 was a huge financial disaster for Sony and they lost billions of dollars while MS made some profit with the X360. X360 is seen as a huge success for MS while PS3 is a failure for Sony. "Beating it" while taking a huge loss doesn't seem much of a win to me.

These corporations don't care about console sales like dumb fanboys do, it's all about the financial outcome.

Retaining a level of market share and the repair job on the brand after the launch period / lead info to PS4 means Sony did a great job recovering.

They lost money but they stopped MS walking away with a decisive victory when they (Sony) where at their weakest in the console space.

 

[Taurus]

Not really, we are just going back to the norm, the samething happened in the playstation 1 and 2 era. Both microsoft and nintendo couldn't compete.

This is just blind fanboyness.

Sega was a financial mess when PS1 launched, Nintendo was late with N64 and stayed with cartridges.

MS took a huge financial risk by entering the console race when PS2 had already launched. Nintendo came out late again and 3rd parties abandoned GC.

MS made great choices with X360 and it was a runaway success, same as Wii. PS3 was expensive and came out late.

Nintendo dropped the ball completely with Wii U, and MS didn't know what to do with X1 (many bad decisions before launch) when PS4 launched.

There are many factors in these things, but last time when MS and Nintendo put out good products, Sony came third. There is no "norm". Anything can happen.

 

[The 8-Bit Raider]

I'm pretty disappointed. I expected more salty fanboy drivel than we've seen so far, but this seems to be it. Much more reserved than the past PS4 shipment/sales threads.

The thread is still relatively fresh. The salt will sink in soon enough.

 

[The Artisan]

i like you lol

I like you too, I think. But anyways, I've been convinced now that getting passed 30 million before the year is over will be an achievable feat.

They have the holiday season left with Black Ops 3 and Star Wars and a price cut. They will blaze past 30 million easily.

you're right. they will. I wonder if they'll hold off sales announcements till after the year is over though.

 

[StevieP]

Retaining a level of market share and the repair job on the brand after the launch period / lead info to PS4 means Sony did a great job recovering.

They lost money but they stopped MS walking away with a decisive victory when they (Sony) where at their weakest in the console space.

But neither Sony nor MS walked away with a decisive victory.

The ps4 is the great recovery. The ps3 was a huge financial disaster.

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

This post from top to bottom is just terrible. Literally everything said in this post is either wrong or just complete bullshit. Jesus.

and to think that guy was once a mod here smh

if we're looking for worst posts of all time, his is near the top

1. the sony just shot themselves in the foot post
2. the age of sony is over post

 

[KurtSloane]

This is just blind fanboyness.

Sega was a financial mess when PS1 launched, Nintendo was late with N64 and stayed with cartridges.

MS took a huge financial risk by entering the console race when PS2 had already launched. Nintendo came out late again and 3rd parties abandoned GC.

MS made great choices with X360 and it was a runaway success, same as Wii. PS3 was expensive and came out late.

Nintendo dropped the ball completely with Wii U, and MS didn't know what to do with X1 (many bad decisions before launch) when PS4 launched.

There are many factors in these things, but last time when MS and Nintendo put out good products, Sony came third. There is no "norm". Anything can happen.

Sony came second and Wii was an anomaly.

Fanboy drivel can be making excuses when the obvious fact was PS1 and PS2 where the best consoles of their generations, like the PS4 is now.

 

[Markoman]

PS3 was a huge financial disaster for Sony and they lost billions of dollars while MS made some profit with the X360. X360 is seen as a huge success for MS while PS3 is a failure for Sony. "Beating it" while taking a huge loss doesn't seem much of a win to me.

These corporations don't care about console sales like dumb fanboys do, it's all about the financial outcome.

Are you sure about that and do you have facts to prove that?
Yes, going back to 2012/2013 the 360 may be seen as a success in terms of increased mindshare, but now all of this is gone and the Xbox division as a whole is still in the red when you look at the ratio between investments and profits. There was this nice chart going around in some GAF threads where you could easily see that MS needs like two Gens of PS2-level success to ever call this little console-adventure a success. BTW:All generations combined only Ninty has ever made good profits.

 

[sense]

This is just blind fanboyness.

Sega was a financial mess when PS1 launched, Nintendo was late with N64 and stayed with cartridges.

MS took a huge financial risk by entering the console race when PS2 had already launched. Nintendo came out late again and 3rd parties abandoned GC.

MS made great choices with X360 and it was a runaway success, same as Wii. PS3 was expensive and came out late.

Nintendo dropped the ball completely with Wii U, and MS didn't know what to do with X1 (many bad decisions before launch) when PS4 launched.

There are many factors in these things, but last time when MS and Nintendo put out good products, Sony came third. There is no "norm". Anything can happen.

there is one difference, when sony dropped the ball they didn't get dominated

 

[ninjablade]

Ps2 levels? Dude you'd better relax on predictions like that. It might not even hit ps1 levels without the support of that casual market you seem to disdain and dismiss so readily.

It's casual users that propel platforms to those sales heights, not hardcore gamers. Which makes your dismissal of other successes all that more funny.

I don't see a heck of a lot of software by the major publishers targeting anyone but young males. It's there in tiny pieces but nothing like the breadth delivered on the ps1, ps2 and 360/ps3. That's what should concern folks that care about sales.

Fixed that for you. Anyway im gonna repeat myself these sales are more impressive then ps2, why you ask? Ps2 had a year head start, its competition was a joke, it had every thirdparty exclusive to itself, now imagine if the xbone was microsoft first console, ps4 would probably have more then half of those xbone sales, and easily be the fastest selling console of alltime, but as of now the xbone is avery strong brand in north america and uk.

 

[shark sandwich]

PS3 was a huge financial disaster for Sony and they lost billions of dollars while MS made some profit with the X360. X360 is seen as a huge success for MS while PS3 is a failure for Sony. "Beating it" while taking a huge loss doesn't seem much of a win to me.

These corporations don't care about console sales like dumb fanboys do, it's all about the financial outcome.

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

Xbox has lost over $3 billion for Microsoft so far. They had a few years of profitability in the Xbox 360 years but last I heard they were back in the red. I would hardly call this a huge success.

 

[KurtSloane]

But neither Sony nor MS walked away with a decisive victory.

The ps4 is the great recovery. The ps3 was a huge financial disaster.

I never said Sony did, the fact is MS with their greatest success in the home space couldn't gain a significant market share lead.

 

[SMOK3Y]

There are many factors in these things, but last time when MS and Nintendo put out good products, Sony came third. There is no "norm". Anything can happen.

Came 3rd? When?

 

[The Artisan]

Well, the other consoles are dead. Microsoft can barely compete and Nintendo can try but I mean the sales speak for themselves. Sony is the only console that is doing well.

xbone is doing well too. mS is fine, it's just that sony is doing way, way better.

This is just blind fanboyness.

Sega was a financial mess when PS1 launched, Nintendo was late with N64 and stayed with cartridges.

well that was nintendo's choice to stay with cartridges. they had themselves to blame for it.

MS took a huge financial risk by entering the console race when PS2 had already launched. Nintendo came out late again and 3rd parties abandoned GC.

same as when sony took the risk of entering the race the generation before it with the Ps1.

MS made great choices with X360 and it was a runaway success, same as Wii. PS3 was expensive and came out late.

Nintendo dropped the ball completely with Wii U, and MS didn't know what to do with X1 (many bad decisions before launch) when PS4 launched.

There are many factors in these things, but last time when MS and Nintendo put out good products, Sony came third. There is no "norm". Anything can happen.

indeed. 360 really cemented mS as a dog in the race and there are many factors in these things but I don't think in this instance it's fair to say someone's doing blind fanboyism.

btw, by the time the Ps4 & xbone launched, the 360 and Ps3 were basically matched in sales worldwide, who came second is kinda subjective. I made a thread about it and the results weren't conclusive. a whole lot of people were saying Ps3 came in 2nd, though.

 

[Dangoesforth]

Who thinks PSVR will launch right after E3 when NMS comes out?

 

[StevieP]

Fixed that for you. Anyway im gonna repeat myself these sales are more impressive then ps2, why you ask? Ps2 had a year head start, its competition was a joke, it had every thirdparty exclusive to itself, now imagine if the xbone was microsoft first console, ps4 would probably have more then half of those xbone sales, and easily be the fastest selling console of alltime, but as of now the xbone is avery strong brand in north america and uk.

The Wii burned your soul, didn't it. Wow dude.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I like you too, I think. But anyways, I've been convinced now that getting passed 30 million before the year is over will be an achievable feat.
you're right. they will. I wonder if they'll hold off sales announcements till after the year is over though.

They could have a sold through announcement at PSX.

 

[Taurus]

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

Xbox has lost over $3 billion for Microsoft so far. They had a few years of profitability in the Xbox 360 years but last I heard they were back in the red. I would hardly call this a huge success.

Read my message again. X360 was a huge success for MS in consumer mindshare and also financially after the first Xbox.

This graph was behind your link:

I'm not trying to make this a console war thread, but ninjablade's comments are delusional imo (agree with StevieP) and I was trying to reply to him.

 

[Dragon Puncher]

This is just blind fanboyness.

Sega was a financial mess when PS1 launched, Nintendo was late with N64 and stayed with cartridges.

MS took a huge financial risk by entering the console race when PS2 had already launched. Nintendo came out late again and 3rd parties abandoned GC.

MS made great choices with X360 and it was a runaway success, same as Wii. PS3 was expensive and came out late.

Nintendo dropped the ball completely with Wii U, and MS didn't know what to do with X1 (many bad decisions before launch) when PS4 launched.

There are many factors in these things, but last time when MS and Nintendo put out good products, Sony came third. There is no "norm". Anything can happen.

The Playstation brand being as strong as it is, is exactly what creates a norm. As long as Sony doesn't completely drop the ball, like they did at the start of last gen, it's up to Nintendo and Microsoft to create a widely more appealing product, if they want to have a chance to come out on top. And in that sense it isn't a leveled playing field.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

uncut edition is still amazing and maybe will remain amazing next decade

how amazing is sony turnover since 2009

To be fair, he wasn't the only one who thought Sony was doomed. I had my doubts as well.

Wasn't there a thread asking who would win the current (PS4, XBOX One, WiiU) generation from ~2011, where literally everbody predicted MS would easily win, followed by Nintendo?

 

[ninjablade]

This is just blind fanboyness.

Sega was a financial mess when PS1 launched, Nintendo was late with N64 and stayed with cartridges.

MS took a huge financial risk by entering the console race when PS2 had already launched. Nintendo came out late again and 3rd parties abandoned GC.

MS made great choices with X360 and it was a runaway success, same as Wii. PS3 was expensive and came out late.

Nintendo dropped the ball completely with Wii U, and MS didn't know what to do with X1 (many bad decisions before launch) when PS4 launched.

There are many factors in these things, but last time when MS and Nintendo put out good products, Sony came third. There is no "norm". Anything can happen.

Stating facts is blind fanboyness, regardless of why, microsoft and nintendo couldnt compete for 3 gens now. I also feel n64, gc, xbox and xbone are good products. Still when nintendo and microsoft make errors they cant recover, ps3 was a big fuck up, yet still sold great and the second best selling console or will end up there. It still competed.

 

[Nouzka]

Show me on this doll where uncle nintendo touched you

The Wii burned your soul, didn't it. Wow dude.

Leave Nintendo alone!

Sony sales thread always seems to turn to Sony has no games, Wii was fad/no it wasn't, consoles are dying etc.

 

[StevieP]

Leave Nintendo alone!

Sorry man, it's crazy that it's 2015 and ninjablade still doesn't accept the previous generation.

It's like how the ps4 is going to easily walk away with this one. It's sales are higher than the others and will continue to be. It's just a fact, it's not something to cry over years later.

 

[The Artisan]

They could have a sold through announcement at PSX.

they could, but I don't think they had one last year which was the first. They waited till the next month

 

[thelastword]

First to 30 million wins

Microsoft said first to 10 million wins, Sony is now at 30 million, very impressive.......

 

[Nouzka]

Sorry man, it's crazy that it's 2015 and ninjablade still doesn't accept the previous generation.

It's like how the ps4 is going to easily walk away with this one. It's sales are higher than the others and will continue to be. It's just a fact, it's not something to cry over years later.

Well I agree that previous gen Wii sold most, and it doesn't really matter how it sold them and to who. It sold most and it was the winner of previous gen.

 

[sörine]

This type of anecdotal evidence in a thread about sales seems a bit out of place.

I was just using my own experience as an example. The original PSX was pretty notorious for skipping/fmv/overheating issues with it's laser, virtually everyone I knew had their early units turned on their sides (yes this somehow helped) after awhile, then upside down (still worked!), then eventually had to scrap or replace them entirely. A quick googling will give you plenty of consumer testimmonials, fixit guides, a wikipedia entry and even references to a settled class action suit over it.

The PSP sold 82 million units. This is more than any other handheld by Nintendo besides the DS and Gameboy. The Vita is obviously a failure but the continued hate on the PSP is really puzzling.

Actually we don't know that PSP even shipped 82m, Sony's never released a figure after 76m and following that they started the trend on combining all handheld figures for IR reporting. The only 82m reference comes from an unsourced IGN article and that seems suspiciously close to ******** figures at the time of publication. This being a sales thread and all, it's probably best to be specific on these things.

 

[Begaria]

Not bad for pre-season, pre-pricedrop.

Oh! I got an update on that. Apparently August and September are now officially no longer part of the pre-season.

 

[PdotMichael]

To be fair, he wasn't the only one who thought Sony was doomed. I had my doubts as well.

Wasn't there a thread asking who would win the current (PS4, XBOX One, WiiU) generation from ~2011, where literally everbody predicted MS would easily win, followed by Nintendo?

Because regional bias. We are only getting sales numbers from two places - USA and Japan.Combine it with the fact that most users are from the USA here we are dealing with that "USA = World" phenomenon all the time.

Everyone who kows something about world wide sales knew that Sony was the better selling console since pretty much 2009.

 

[The Artisan]

uncut edition is still amazing and maybe will remain amazing next decade

how amazing is sony turnover since 2009

mannnnnnnn I wish that voiceover still existed

 

[The Artisan]

Microsoft said first to 10 million wins, Sony is now at 30 million, very impressive.......

They meant 10 million in the U.S, and Ps4 is currently at 9 million

https://zhugeex.com/2015/10/septemb...ystation-4-hits-nine-million-units-in-the-us/

EDIT: sorry for double post

 

[Zombie James]

mannnnnnnn I wish that voiceover still existed

This?

 

[ProfessorMoran]

This is just blind fanboyness.

Sega was a financial mess when PS1 launched, Nintendo was late with N64 and stayed with cartridges.

MS took a huge financial risk by entering the console race when PS2 had already launched. Nintendo came out late again and 3rd parties abandoned GC.

MS made great choices with X360 and it was a runaway success, same as Wii. PS3 was expensive and came out late.

Nintendo dropped the ball completely with Wii U, and MS didn't know what to do with X1 (many bad decisions before launch) when PS4 launched.

There are many factors in these things, but last time when MS and Nintendo put out good products, Sony came third. There is no "norm". Anything can happen.

Actually everytime Sony put out a great console at an affordable price they've kicked butt everytime, they need to continue to do this obviously but they've built incredible mindshare worldwide.

 

[Taurus]

Stating facts is blind fanboyness, regardless of why, microsoft and nintendo couldnt compete for 3 gens now. I also feel n64, gc, xbox and xbone are good products. Still when nintendo and microsoft make errors they cant recover, ps3 was a big fuck up, yet still sold great and the second best selling console or will end up there. It still competed.

Wii is Nintendo's best product (with the DS). Wii's game library is awesome, and I'm happy that so many people in last generation experienced this greatness. Wii being the total sales leader before X360 and PS3 is just icing on the cake.

 

[crinale]

Because regional bias. We are only getting sales numbers from two places - USA and Japan.Combine it with the fact that most users are from the USA here we are dealing with that "USA = World" phenomenon all the time.

Everyone who kows something about world wide sales knew that Sony was the better selling console since pretty much 2009.

I think this global appeal is what Sony excels over other competitors the most. And this isn't limited to gaming industry but pretty much everything that involves product and sales.

 

[PeterLegend]

When 2016 PS4 games come out combined with a $299 price point, I think it will erupt.

I mean it's big now but it'll go NUCLEAR!

 

[The Artisan]

This?

yeah. I don't hear the voiceover anymore. do you?

 

[Berlin_Wall]

Some here said I had been salty or something. To make it clear, I was not. You probably missunderstood me, I think. I was just thinking (like lying in the grass and looking at the sky) about what could have been or could be if the PS4 would be the all in one wonder with the best of everything. Things that were important for the ones who bought an xbox one (things, I mentioned: controller, ea access, backwards compatibility, streaming to WinPCs and stuff)
Most of the things aren't impossible for PS4, but the console just don't have it.Would be exciting to see the numbers then.

[And sorry for my grammar but as you can see I am not a native speaker )

PS: And thanks to those who didn't attack me immediately and were kind just like I was. There isn't always someone postin' here with bad intentions!!!

 

[sörine]

Let's not forget aerospace, biotechnology, robotics, and oil.

I'd be down for a PS Aibo. I was trying to keep it to fields Sony actually attempted leveraging PS in though.

 

[Zombie James]

yeah. I don't hear the voiceover anymore. do you?

Sure do.

 

[KurtSloane]

Wii is Nintendo's best product (with the DS). Wii's game library is awesome, and I'm happy that so many people in last generation experienced this greatness. Wii being the total sales leader before X360 and PS3 is just icing on the cake.

Lol, I grew out of Nintendo years ago but I still know that the Wii is not Nintendo's best product.

The usual Nintendo first party and a lot of 3rd party party games.

Super Nintendo is their best product.


Take away the Oprah powered buyers and the usual Nintendo market share of around 30 million home users is there.

 

[PdotMichael]

I think this global appeal is what Sony excels over other competitors the most. And this isn't limited to gaming industry but pretty much everything that involves product and sales.

Playstation 1 made Europe as video game market basically relevant.

It was incredible how such a large untapped market was ignored by everyone before Sony.

 

[otakukidd]

Read my message again. X360 was a huge success for MS in consumer mindshare and also financially after the first Xbox.

This graph was behind your link:

I'm not trying to make this a console war thread, but ninjablade's comments are delusional imo (agree with StevieP) and I was trying to reply to him.

The 360 came out in 05. So those big ass losses in 06 and 07 are on the 360 and not the og xbox. Those 2 years pretty much offset any gains the remaining years did.

 

[The Artisan]

Sure do.

ughhhhhhh. why isn't it working for me?!?!?!??

 

[TI82]

Wii is Nintendo's best product (with the DS). Wii's game library is awesome, and I'm happy that so many people in last generation experienced this greatness. Wii being the total sales leader before X360 and PS3 is just icing on the cake.

Well, that might be your opinion but it's still funny