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Official statement from Koei Tecmo Games regarding DEAD OR ALIVE Xtreme 3

Dremark

Banned
Political correctness destroying videogames.

Guess thats why we only fight zombies or aliens these days in the games.

Yep, Joe Lieberman won the war back in the 90s and gaming has been all polical correctness since. This is why there is no violence or nudity in games anymore. I blame Howard Lincoln for selling the industry out. Oh never mind, we can't blame people who were actually making decisions, so I'll blame Soccer Moms instead.

Considering her character is the poster girl for the PS4 game, I would think that would be legit to be pissed over.

I think she has every right to be pissed. I don't feel it's fair to try to twist the statement around so it sounds like it's her only income though.

I also think her anger is misdirected as well, but I've already addressed that.
 
I just looked up her character and her character looks like a 13 year old.

Being a 1000 year old doesn't take away from the fact a lot of characters like that look like they're in middle school.
 

studyguy

Member
The anger surrounding KT's choice to not publish this title in the west was embarrassing all around to read through on twitter good lord. People obsessing over whatever narrative they cocked up for themselves for days.
 

Lime

Member
Never said anything about whatever you're talking about.

People think media criticism is criticism of their person - they never understood that "media criticism is about finding textures, not yearning for ideological purity. The purpose has always been to judge the work, not readers."
 

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
I just looked up her character and her character looks like a 13 year old.

Being a 1000 year old doesn't take away from the fact a lot of characters like that look like they're in middle school.

Dance in the Vampire Bund was particularly infamous...

Rachel

Evangeline

its basically a stereotype at this point, even the vampire girl from Skyrim is like that
 

L Thammy

Member
I think in cases like this, we have to consider what the author (which isn't necessarily a person with a vision, but can also be a company with a business agenda) would have been thinking when they came up with a character's appearance and stated age.

There are multiple reasons why I might want to make a character with a particular body type. Maybe I just want to feature many different body types, maybe I want to make some sort of comment that requires this body type, maybe I want to use it to titillate. An author is not necessarily innocent, and the reasons they give for a character being childlike or sexualized may just be a way to excuse an intention that they feel will be criticized.

Fictional characters are not real people. If they look a certain way or if they act a certain way, it's because someone chose for that to happen. Even if there is an excuse, it doesn't change why the decisions were made, especially if the excuse is transparent and doesn't affect anything else about the character.

Considering that every other woman in the DOA franchise is designed to titillate, and that it is a prominently advertised feature of the series, I don't think anyone was considering petite women when they made Marie Rose. They didn't do it to be realistic or for variety. They did it to titillate a group that their other characters do not reach.

Yep, Joe Lieberman won the war back in the 90s and gaming has been all polical correctness since. This is why there is no violence or nudity in games anymore. I blame Howard Lincoln for selling the industry out. Oh never mind, we can't blame people who were actually making decisions, so I'll blame Soccer Moms instead.

Mortal Kombat was a fun franchise, why cant we get games like that anymore?
 
She neither said nor implied that was her only source of income. She voiced the character, it's work and it's income.

japanese games get turned down for localization all the time. just because she missed out on work doesn't give her the right to blame it on feminism. If they had replaced the character with a black girl would she also blame black people for her lack of work? that's kind of gross.
 

Warxard

Banned
People think media criticism is criticism of their person - they never understood that "media criticism is about finding textures, not yearning for ideological purity. The purpose has always been to judge the work, not readers."

Yep, pretty much.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Dance in the Vampire Bund was particularly infamous...

Rachel

Evangeline

its basically a stereotype at this point, even the vampire girl from Skyrim is like that
The vampire girl from Skyrim is at least reasonably dressed and never sexualized or used for titillation. That's the major difference.
 
Dance in the Vampire Bund was particularly infamous...

Rachel

Evangeline

its basically a stereotype at this point, even the vampire girl from Skyrim is like that

Yeah. Remember Interview With the Vanpire?

Often with these games they'll say the girls are "18" or "1000 dragon girl" when she totally looks like a 12 year and they're using the age as a way to get away with sexializing her for particular audiences. I haven't played DOA in years so her character is new to me, so I don't know if that's how her character is treated, but let's not act like there's not a precedent for this.

Let's not be coy.
 

Warxard

Banned
Dance in the Vampire Bund was particularly infamous...

Rachel

Evangeline

its basically a stereotype at this point, even the vampire girl from Skyrim is like that

I assume you mean Rachael Alucard in BlazBlue right?

Her design's pretty great.
 

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
The vampire girl from Skyrim is at least reasonably dressed and never sexualized or used for titillation. That's the major difference.

Dahaha, sure, but we were not talking about that, just the fact that the girls look younger at a fantastical age

I assume you mean Rachael Alucard in BlazBlue right?

Her design's pretty great.

Indeed, one of my favorite characters from that series.
 
I really should make a Bingo card for these threads. "1000 year old dragon" and "toddler" has already popped up.

Good on them for releasing a proper statement though. I think it'll eventually come out in the west but anymore it's super easy to import for those that want to.
 
Team Ninja Galapagosian Lolita Complex Chicken-Dog

they might get paid now, but they do suck shit compared to their hey-day. lets not forget that.
 

Warxard

Banned
I really should make a Bingo card for these threads. "1000 year old dragon" and "toddler" has already popped up.

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Is anyone else getting tired of seeing this meme?

No it's hilarious. Even funnier when you play Tales of Zestiria and there's this 1000 year old chick that looks fresh out of elementary school and she has a brother that's turned into a dragon.

Best of both worlds.

Even the developers are in on the joke!
 

Producer

Member
Laughing out loud.

Did you read the initial quote i was replying to? They said Marie was an underage character, thats factually incorrect because her age is 18 as stated by KT. Whether you think shes actually 18 or not doesnt matter.
 

Savitar

Member
*IF* it comes over I could easily see them taking out whats her name that looks so young and maybe putting in one of the more popular choices for this side of the world. If the polling had been done for who to be in it I could see it being somewhat different than how Japan voted.
 
*IF* it comes over I could easily see them taking out whats her name that looks so young and maybe putting in one of the more popular choices for this side of the world. If the polling had been done for who to be in it I could see it being somewhat different than how Japan voted.

Marie would've made it in for every region.
 

Warxard

Banned
Did you read the initial quote i was replying to? They said Marie was an underage character, thats factually incorrect because her age is 18 as stated by KT. Whether you think shes actually 18 or not doesnt matter.

Nah no I didn't, you even commented on me thinking she looks like a third grader

I'm well aware of her age, as well as everyone else's age in DOA. I'm a fan! I like the lore! It's great that, like, you know Kasumi and Ayane aren't underage anymore.

But Marie still looks like she should be in the third grade, so
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I find it funny that even the CV in America believes that Marie Rose, arguably the current most popular character in the series isn't going to make it to the US because of something that doesn't exist. You would think that people in 'acting' would think the same, right? ...Guess not for her lol
 
No it's hilarious. Even funnier when you play Tales of Zestiria and there's this 1000 year old chick that looks fresh out of elementary school and she has a brother that's turned into a dragon.

Best of both worlds.

Even the developers are in on the joke!

I haven't played Zestiria so I wouldn't know. Maybe it adds some life to the meme but personally, I think its overdone. Judging by the responses, it seems that I am alone on this.
 

Producer

Member
Nah no I didn't, you even commented on me thinking she looks like a third grader

I'm well aware of her age, as well as everyone else's age in DOA. I'm a fan! I like the lore! It's great that, like, you know Kasumi and Ayane aren't underage anymore.

But Marie still looks like she should be in the third grade, so

I was actually referring to the post previous to that, the one made by Griss.
 

RpgN

Junior Member
I haven't played Zestiria so I wouldn't know. Maybe it adds some life to the meme but personally, I think its overdone. Judging by the responses, it seems that I am alone on this.

You're not alone in this.

There is looking young. And there is that along with dressing like one and acting like one.

Someone explained this pretty well on a different thread. Where characters like Marie would be undistinguishable between actual kids.
 

L Thammy

Member
Holy fuck, Tenchi's dad is 200 years old? What?! Where did this fact come from?! I've only seen the original ova, Universe, Tokyo, and the movies. Where did I miss this?

Haven't watched the show myself, but looking around, I see "OVA continuity only". And it's in spoiler tags, so I guess it was kept secret.
 

Jimrpg

Member
It's weird.

I find Tomb Raider 2013's boobs much more distracting than DOA. I have no idea why. Or maybe because I've grown up... its been a few years since I played DOA5.

Still think DOAX was a horrible (volleyball) game. Glad I sold it and have no regrets.

Seriously though - you would think PR people wouldn't say the wrong thing on Facebook.
 

PBY

Banned
Hey, that's not PC bro!
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i agree with you though

You agree?

Whenever I hear "political correctness is [insert bad thing here]" I'm certain that youre attributing that negative outcome incorrectly to some misconception of what political correctness actually is.
 

aeolist

Banned
they're made up of numbers and textures. there's no need to get worked up over them.

nobody was protesting the game and people here are just saying that one particular part of it is pretty gross

nobody is worked up except the crazed conspiracy theorists blaming cultural marxists for their censorious overreach
 

LiK

Member
nobody was protesting the game and people here are just saying that one particular part of it is pretty gross

nobody is worked up except the crazed conspiracy theorists blaming cultural marxists for their censorious overreach

O_O
 
nobody was protesting the game and people here are just saying that one particular part of it is pretty gross

nobody is worked up except the crazed conspiracy theorists blaming cultural marxists for their censorious overreach

I'm a Marxist and I resent this accusation. There is no Marxist Anonymous meeting where we all gather and say to not release the latest DOAX! I promise...
 
anyone saying marie looks younger than 18 clearly hasnt been on a college campus in a while

anyone saying she looks like a 3rd grader is spouting annoying hyperbole

though the "1000 year old loli" thing definitely exists, its not nearly as common as people are trying to make you believe. I can only think of Nowi, Rachel Alucard, Edna, and dance in the vampire bund
 
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