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President Barack Obama preparing to issue Executive Order on gun control

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I think the problem with your example is that motorcycle owners are largely putting only their own lives at risk for their hobby.

Motorcycle accidents have caused any number of multi-car pileups. It really isn't all that difficult for a motorcycle to low or high-side and all the traffic around it is going to react suddenly and, in most instances, poorly.

That aside, the fundamental premise of your implication is flawed. My neighbor isn't at risk because I own firearms.

Well, a motorcycle may fall over and hurt someone. That unloaded gun I keep in a locked case, in a locked cabinet, in my locked bedroom might uh... spontaneously combust?

Boring, or stupid? Because I was going for stupid.

I don't know, the murder-cores in some of my guns have melted down and wrought untold destruction to everyone within a five-mile radius.
 
It's funny how Obama wants more gun control for regular citizens but then decides he needs armed secret service protection for life.
 

Condom

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One of the first things the Muslim caliphate did back in 800 was taking away the guns of the native population. History repeating itself people!
 

TheJLC

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It's what the Brits call guns.

lol

Saying that, making background checks mandatory at gun shows is not a problem with me. But I doubt Obama, even via executive order, can enforce that.

I doubt that any of his executive orders even have any power without legislation to back them up.
 
Maybe you didn't understand what I proposed/the question, because my intent was not to name call

Then you're a piece of shit. And I don't say that lightly.

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DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Sure. If you showed me compelling evidence that the homicide rate would decrease beyond the typical margin of error for such a statistic as a direct result of the reduction of legal guns in American homes, I'd be all for it. The thing is, in cities like Chicago they've already placed stringent controls on the availability of guns, yet their homicide rate has only decreased by 17% as opposed to the national 25% decrease. In fact, the US has a relatively low homicide rate, historically speaking, despite gun ownership being at a historical high.

I believe that taking guns from those who legally purchased them won't drastically reduce gun crimes, as the perpetrators of those crimes aren't getting their guns through legal means. These gun control measures won't impact them whatsoever. The gun suicide rate would likely decrease, though.

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409

Objectives. We examined the relationship between levels of household firearm ownership, as measured directly and by a proxy—the percentage of suicides committed with a firearm—and age-adjusted firearm homicide rates at the state level.

Methods. We conducted a negative binomial regression analysis of panel data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web-Based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting Systems database on gun ownership and firearm homicide rates across all 50 states during 1981 to 2010. We determined fixed effects for year, accounted for clustering within states with generalized estimating equations, and controlled for potential state-level confounders.

Results. Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%.

Conclusions. We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates. Although we could not determine causation, we found that states with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.
 
I don't even know where I stand on gun control anymore. I like to shoot my bang bangs, but I want more control and I'm perfectly fine with surrendering them if the government dictated such. So I'm proclaimed a murderous psychopath by some because I have a hobby to do the shoot-bangs, yet a freedom hating socialist commie by others because I'm okay with control. I'm so unwanted by both side.
 

FyreWulff

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It's funny how Obama wants more gun control for regular citizens but then decides he needs armed secret service protection for life.

The president actually doesn't have a choice about Secret Service protection. It was forced by Congress.

Also, you know, the President is objectively going to get shot at more than the average person.
 
Just quoting this for when a moderator inevitably wanders in here.

But he's right, you are a fucking piece of shit. You believe in freedom to own guns but you don't believe in his far more crucial right to free speech? On account of being a miserable piece of shit, such as you are? Okay piece of shit, whatever you say piece of shit.

Quote me too.
 

Blader

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Can you show me statistical evidence that guns do what you propose, or is it just pretty rhetoric that makes you feel good?
For clarification because you couldn't parse your own 1 sentence post: you claim that simply having guns around endangers everyone else. Prove it.

Isn't that, like, extremely obvious? If you have a gun in the house, you've automatically invited the risk of someone -- your partner, your child, or yourself in a moment of being mentally unhinged -- being hurt or killed, or using it to hurt or kill others. The gun doesn't will itself into existence and fire based on its own volition; guns only endanger other people because they're in somebody's possession.

It's funny how Obama wants more gun control for regular citizens but then decides he needs armed secret service protection for life.

The president faces more attempts or threats of attempts on his life than any single person in the country.
 

ElFly

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Motorcycle accidents have caused any number of multi-car pileups. It really isn't all that difficult for a motorcycle to low or high-side and all the traffic around it is going to react suddenly and, in most instances, poorly.

That aside, the fundamental premise of your implication is flawed. My neighbor isn't at risk because I own firearms.

We don't really know about the neighbors, but it is sure that you owning guns put your family at a bigger risk of dying by murder and/or suicide.

Remember that the next time you check whether your gun is kept locked safely and the ammo separate from it.
 
But he's right, you are a fucking piece of shit. You believe in freedom to own guns but you don't believe in his far more crucial right to free speech? On account of being a miserable piece of shit, such as you are? Okay piece of shit, whatever you say piece of shit.

Quote me too.

Nah, I'll do it for him.
 
I've seen this study. Correlation=/=causation. I concede that the easier it is to get guns legally, it follows that it could be easier to get them illegally. Which again is why I'm an advocate for strict background checks/waiting periods for people to purchase firearms. What I absolutely will dispute is that removing legal firearms from the homes of those who have already purchased them to date will reduce the firearm homicide rate. If we made it really tough for everyone to get guns (meaning significantly cracking down on the black market as well as gun shops), I am certain that the homicide rate would decrease. But that relies on the ability for would-be criminals to get guns to be equally curtailed when compared to legal means.
 
But he's right, you are a fucking piece of shit. You believe in freedom to own guns but you don't believe in his far more crucial right to free speech? On account of being a miserable piece of shit, such as you are? Okay piece of shit, whatever you say piece of shit.

Quote me too.

What a well articulated position.
 

Bsigg12

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But he's right, you are a fucking piece of shit. You believe in freedom to own guns but you don't believe in his far more crucial right to free speech? On account of being a miserable piece of shit, such as you are? Okay piece of shit, whatever you say piece of shit.

Quote me too.

Things are just getting buck wild in here!
 

Sai-kun

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But he's right, you are a fucking piece of shit. You believe in freedom to own guns but you don't believe in his far more crucial right to free speech? On account of being a miserable piece of shit, such as you are? Okay piece of shit, whatever you say piece of shit.

Quote me too.

I feel you, and PBY, but you know we're on a privately owned message board right
 
People here are legitimately questioning whether guns are dangerous, lol.

This has ceased to be a conversation. There are people that know that a modern society has no need for mass gun ownership, and those that are wrong.
 

Halcyon

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But he's right, you are a fucking piece of shit. You believe in freedom to own guns but you don't believe in his far more crucial right to free speech? On account of being a miserable piece of shit, such as you are? Okay piece of shit, whatever you say piece of shit.

Quote me too.

It's almost Christmas guys. Lets hug it out.
 

PBY

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I was calling his hypothetical self responding to my hypothetical question a piece of shit.

I actually believe that his "No" is argumentative posturing, which I get, given a person's investment in a certain hobby versus outside forces trying to "take that hobby away."

I get that. I don't believe that if there was data showing a person that if you simply gave up your guns you use as part of your hobby you'd save lives, that he wouldn't do it.

And in that hypothetical, with hard data showing otherwise, anyone would be a piece of shit to keep guns for hobbyism if giving them back would save lives. Not sure how thats really a controversial statement to be honest.
 
I wasn't questioning that guns are dangerous. The poster I quoted was asking people for statistics and data while making claims without evidence. Guns are dangerous, and should be treated with all of the respect that any tool that was invented to kill things should be afforded.

But daaamn has this thread gotten hostile. This kind of name calling is unbecoming, and doesn't strenghthen your arguments at all.
 

rjinaz

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You might consider building one, which is like PC gaming in that you can get more for your money that way. :p

Let me guess, even your Grandma could do it? I kid.

It's funny, I get into arguments all the time with PC gamers because they think building their own PCs is as simple as drinking water. I got frustrated for hours because I couldn't figure out what type of RAM I needed for adding into my laptop. Some things come more natural to people.
 

PBY

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PBY once again ruins another thread with his Jekyll and Hyde argumentative nature and shows why gun control is such a divisive issue when both sides loud minority each wants to demonize the other

Like come the fuck on man. Just stop.

Point taken, not my intention. Just get annoyed when we have these threads and people start posting pics of the guns they just bought as some sort of "look at me" thing. I just can't reconcile that with the daily murders we see.

But point taken.
 
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