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[Proelite]

Ok new pessimistic NX configurations, ascending order of credibility.

1:
2 x 4 core Puma at 1.8+ ghz
4GB of GDDR5 96 gb/s, 128 bit bus
640:40:16 GCN 1.1 GPU at 800mhz 1024gigaflops

2:
2 x 4 core Puma at 1.8+ ghz
8GB of DDR4 / LPDDR4, 128 bit bus 50/60 gb/s
640:40:16 GCN 1.2 GPU at 600mhz 800 gigaflops

3.
2 x 4 core Puma at 1.8+ ghz
8GB of DDR4 / LPDDR4 256 bit bus 100/120 gb/s
640:40:16 GCN 1.1 GPU at 800mhz 1024 gigaflops.


Optimistic version: Assuming higher TDP, 14nm fab, and GDDR5x
2 x 4 core Puma at 2.0+ ghz
8GB of GDDR5x, 128 bit bus, 160 - 200 gb/s
1024:72:32 Polaris at 1.0 ghz. 2.0+ teraflops

 

[ffdgh]

Man how much would this hypothetical console cost? I'm kind of afraid they might go up to 400$. Don't see people putting money down for a Nintendo console for that much.

Is that with or without another price inflator like the gamepad?

 

[inner-G]

So... this is approximately what we should expect, according to most rumors:

You should add in the speculated specs for the other new consoles we're speculating about, too

 

[ozfunghi]

So... this is approximately what we should expect, according to most rumors:

The only credible info we have is on the CPU. Talk about RAM/GPU is mostly conjecture or BS.

 

[LordOfChaos]

What does the y axis of this graph stand for?

Units.

Same as the last page graph.

 

[Insane Metal]

The only credible info we have is on the CPU. Talk about RAM/GPU is mostly conjecture or BS.

I know. but based on the CPU it'd make sense to have something along those lines, right? Nintendo isn't stupid, they aren't going to put such a CPU there with a GPU that is weaker than the XBone's for example.

 

[LordOfChaos]

I know. but based on the CPU it'd make sense to have something along those lines, right? Nintendo isn't stupid, they aren't going to put such a CPU there with a GPU that is weaker than the XBone's for example.

Otoh, besting Jaguar is trivial, besting the PS4s GPU is possible but not as easy as besting the CPU.

A cortex A72 would certainly trade blows with Jaguar for instance, and that's in smartphones, and I'm not sure you'd even have to go that far.

 

[AmyS]

So... this is approximately what we should expect, according to most rumors:

You should add PS4K to that chart

 

[Proelite]

I know. but based on the CPU it'd make sense to have something along those lines, right? Nintendo isn't stupid, they aren't going to put such a CPU there with a GPU that is weaker than the XBone's for example.

CPU power would be needed for the OS multitasking. Xbox one currently feels very sluggish doing anything in concurrency.

Considering Nintendo's expertise at OS, they'll need all the CPU power they can get to make the OS butter.

 

[Insane Metal]

Otoh, besting Jaguar is trivial, besting the PS4s GPU is possible but not as easy as besting the CPU.

A cortex A72 would certainly trade blows with Jaguar for instance, and that's in smartphones, and I'm not sure you'd even have to go that far.

Lol.

You should add PS4K to that chart

Ok, will do it tomorrow. Going to bed now. Nice to see someone liked it, I spent way too much time on it, hahah

Edit: ugh I didn't save the .psd file... will have to make it from scratch again... sigh :|

 

[AmyS]

Lol.



Ok, will do it tomorrow. Going to bed now. Nice to see someone liked it, I spent way too much time on it, hahah

Edit: ugh I didn't save the .psd file... will have to make it from scratch again... sigh :|

Cool, it'll fun to see.

 

[Nanashrew]

We can also give credit to the A72 being much newer too. That helps in easily besting the Jaguars. A misconception here and other places is that ARM is weak but it's really not. It's made major strides.

Also, I thought the Xbox One's jaguar was faster? The bottleneck they have is more in how they did the ESRAM, correct?

EDIT: woops. sorry tired and didn't read the picture right.

 

[jbluzb]

We can also give credit to the A72 being much newer too. That helps in easily besting the Jaguars. A misconception here and other places is that ARM is weak but it's really not. It's made major strides.

Also, I thought the Xbox One's jaguar was faster? The bottleneck they have is more in how they did the eDRAM, correct?

EDIT: woops. sorry tired and didn't read the picture right.

the bottleneck is in the gpu side

 

[Nanashrew]

the bottleneck is in the gpu side

Ah okay. I remember a lot of people had been talking about their ESRAM issue too in that it was too small.

 

[ozfunghi]

Edit: ugh I didn't save the .psd file... will have to make it from scratch again... sigh :|

Not a big fan making a chart out of rumors, but if you must, what you did would be much faster in illustrator than in photoshop. As in... +/- 1 minute in illustrator.

 

[Malus]

Not a big fan making a chart out of rumors, but if you must, what you did would be much faster in illustrator than in photoshop. As in... +/- 1 minute in illustrator.

Especially when there aren't even any rumors to support 2/3rds of the chart lol.

 

[sfried]

You should add PS4K to that chart

Why would you? This is an NX thread, not a PS4k thread.

 

[Schnozberry]

I know. but based on the CPU it'd make sense to have something along those lines, right? Nintendo isn't stupid, they aren't going to put such a CPU there with a GPU that is weaker than the XBone's for example.

If Nintendo goes 28nm, they could get 2ghz ARM A72 cores that would have significant advantages in single threaded performance over the Jaguar Cores in the PS4 and XB1. If they go down to 16 or 14nm (depending on the foundry) they could get up to 2.6ghz on that node. ARM is the way to go, and would drastically simplify a unified approach to handheld/home hardware.

GPU is a total wildcard. If they are going with 14 or 16nm they could be go with a new polaris design, but if they want the ease of porting from the other consoles it would make the most sense to go with GCN. With ARM Cores they'd have plenty of space on die even at 28nm to fit quite a bit of GPU and memory on the APU.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

So... this is approximately what we should expect, according to most rumors:

According to bullshit. We only had someone comment on the CPU

 

[dtm808]

Is that with or without another price inflator like the gamepad?

If they go with the game-pad again they will most likely have a new slimmer, cheaper version that wouldnt affect the cost of the console that much.

 

[Hero of Legend]

Lol.



Ok, will do it tomorrow. Going to bed now. Nice to see someone liked it, I spent way too much time on it, hahah

Edit: ugh I didn't save the .psd file... will have to make it from scratch again... sigh :|

May as well add XB1.5 and PS3 and 360 for the full list. I'd love to see that to get a vague idea of where we stand with what we know.

 

[Nanashrew]

Why would you? This is an NX thread, not a PS4k thread.

I guess it might be to compare where the NX may stack up. Though rumors and stuff so it's more of a thought exercise I guess.

But say the NX is a bit more powerful than the PS4 because some newer tech has matured and gotten cheaper now. Would it be within parity of a PS4K? I Dunno. I've not really payed attention to those rumors. Though I don't expect it to be a major jump nor take full advantage of it without alienating their audience on PS4.

 

[StoopKid]

Why would you? This is an NX thread, not a PS4k thread.

If your gonna compare the other consoles , why not ps4k?

 

[jnWake]

What does the y axis of this graph stand for?

Speculationometers.

 

[ozfunghi]

I guess it might be to compare where the NX may stack up. Though rumors and stuff so it's more of a thought exercise I guess.

But say the NX is a bit more powerful than the PS4 because some newer tech has matured and gotten cheaper now. Would it be within parity of a PS4K? I Dunno. I've not really payed attention to those rumors. Though I don't expect it to be a major jump nor take full advantage of it without alienating their audience on PS4.

How i see it, the PS4K, however powerful, is not a bad thing for the NX. Not only will it postpone the actual PS5 for a while. But also, it keeps the "base" PS4 relevant at the same time since i doubt Sony will want to alienate tens of millions of current PS4 owners. Either that means most games for PS4K will need to be downported, or not many PS4K specific games will be made. And as long as the PS4 is relevant, that means the NX specs (if in the same ballpark) are not necessarilly outdated either. Should Sony however decide to neglect the PS4, or treat the PS4K as a PS5, it would basically reset the generation halfway through, which wouldn't be in their best interest, since not only would they have to start over building their userbase, but they could very well piss off a few PS4 owners at the same time.

So personally, i don't see the PS4K as a huge problem. I could be wrong ofcourse.

 

[wonderful103]

If Nintendo goes 28nm, they could get 2ghz ARM A72 cores that would have significant advantages in single threaded performance over the Jaguar Cores in the PS4 and XB1. If they go down to 16 or 14nm (depending on the foundry) they could get up to 2.6ghz on that node. ARM is the way to go, and would drastically simplify a unified approach to handheld/home hardware.

GPU is a total wildcard. If they are going with 14 or 16nm they could be go with a new polaris design, but if they want the ease of porting from the other consoles it would make the most sense to go with GCN. With ARM Cores they'd have plenty of space on die even at 28nm to fit quite a bit of GPU and memory on the APU.

I believe that Polaris wouldn't be so drastically different to work with in the first place, but regardless of that fact there will be an abstraction layer in place just as with the other consoles

 

[Nanashrew]

How i see it, the PS4K, however powerful, is not a bad thing for the NX. Not only will it postpone the actual PS5 for a while. But also, it keeps the "base" PS4 relevant at the same time since i doubt Sony will want to alienate tens of millions of current PS4 owners. Either that means most games for PS4K will need to be downported, or not many PS4K specific games will be made. Should Sony however decide to neglect the PS4, or treat the PS4K as a PS5, it would basically reset the generation halfway through, which wouldn't be in their best interest, since not only would they have to start over building their userbase, but they could very well piss off a few PS4 owners at the same time.

So personally, i don't see the PS4K as a huge problem. I could be wrong ofcourse.

I totally agree. I just think it would be interesting if the specs might be within parity of that for NX. While Sony or MS may not get the total benefits of their 1.5 systems, Nintendo might since it's their base system. Nintendo will go the iterative console route too so I wonder what 1.5 might bring, or if the just go 2.0 like a generation jump to remain at the same level of the other two so all is equal going forward.

It's really interesting times to see how these companies will handle this stuff.

 

[Schnozberry]

I believe that Polaris wouldn't be so drastically different to work with in the first place, but regardless of that fact there will be an abstraction layer in place just as with the other consoles

The cache, command processor, shader cores and memory controller are all different to varying degrees based on AMD's slide deck. Polaris is still GCN at heart, but I'm guessing optimization won't be quite the same.

 

[MoonFrog]

How i see it, the PS4K, however powerful, is not a bad thing for the NX. Not only will it postpone the actual PS5 for a while. But also, it keeps the "base" PS4 relevant at the same time since i doubt Sony will want to alienate tens of millions of current PS4 owners. Either that means most games for PS4K will need to be downported, or not many PS4K specific games will be made. And as long as the PS4 is relevant, that means the NX specs (if in the same ballpark) are not necessarilly outdated either. Should Sony however decide to neglect the PS4, or treat the PS4K as a PS5, it would basically reset the generation halfway through, which wouldn't be in their best interest, since not only would they have to start over building their userbase, but they could very well piss off a few PS4 owners at the same time.

So personally, i don't see the PS4K as a huge problem. I could be wrong ofcourse.

Perhaps the PS4K will have a Wii like gimmick and reset the generation. I don't think this is what is going to happen or even what the idea of a '4K' PS4 is about. I don't think '4K' in itself is going to make people jump to PS4K mid generation en mass if the PS4 is still being targeted.

The other thing to consider though are the 'intangibles,' such as mindshare. PS4K announcement if done significantly better than NX announcement could cast a shadow over NX launch and from there the entire NX life. But I guess PSVR could already do that?

 

[ozfunghi]

The other thing to consider though are the 'intangibles,' such as mindshare. PS4K announcement if done significantly better than NX announcement could cast a shadow over NX launch and from there the entire NX life. But I guess PSVR could already do that?

That's a valid point i guess.

 

[SirPenguin]

What does the y axis of this graph stand for?

Ice cold beer

 

[AzaK]

50W TDP peak. 35W for the SOC.

2 x 4 core module PUMA 1.8-2.0GHZ
512:40:16 GCN 1.2 gpu at 800 mhz. 800 gigaflops. Might be 10CUs 1 teraflop if they clock the cpu lower.
32mb Edram 256-512gb/s
8GB of DDR4 on a 128bit bus. 50 gb/s

This is the ABSOLUTE minimum that I think you can except from NX, if Nintendo decides to cheap out again.

The other thing to consider though are the 'intangibles,' such as mindshare. PS4K announcement if done significantly better than NX announcement could cast a shadow over NX launch and from there the entire NX life. But I guess PSVR could already do that?

That's part of my reasoning about why Nintendo will go "cheap"; as in not some uber machine. They have such a massive disadvantage regarding mind-share amongst "enthusiast gamers" that it'd take nothing short of some mind-blowing specs to get them back on board. If Nintendo can impress their small fanbase and grab some extra "mainstream" families that don't care about specs then it's probably a better avenue to take.

 

[exmachina64]

What does the y axis of this graph stand for?

Relative performance in percentage points.

Insane Metal chose to make the XBO the baseline for comparison in each segment.

The space between each dotted line is equal to 50 percentage points.

For example, he's rating the NX's CPU is roughly 25-33% more powerful than the XBO, etc.

 

[sfried]

If your gonna compare the other consoles , why not ps4k?

Doesn't make much sense. Also considering 4k is not the target audience.

NX is a big break and if the concept it present is something that is indeed "totally new", then perhaps comparisons to its other rival console wouldn't make much sense.

That's part of my reasoning about why Nintendo will go "cheap"; as in not some uber machine. They have such a massive disadvantage regarding mind-share amongst "enthusiast gamers" that it'd take nothing short of some mind-blowing specs to get them back on board. If Nintendo can impress their small fanbase and grab some extra "mainstream" families that don't care about specs then it's probably a better avenue to take.

This is where I'm going at. I think enthusiasts at the end of the day will have PC. What will Nintendo be doing to differenciate the console from the PC experience?

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

That's part of my reasoning about why Nintendo will go "cheap"; as in not some uber machine. They have such a massive disadvantage regarding mind-share amongst "enthusiast gamers" that it'd take nothing short of some mind-blowing specs to get them back on board. If Nintendo can impress their small fanbase and grab some extra "mainstream" families that don't care about specs then it's probably a better avenue to take.

But what's the market for a cheap machine? In the electronics world, seriously, what is your market for a "cheap machine"? It's always been about value. What does your machine offer. Nintendo doesn't have to have the most high spec machine, but it has to offer something innovative in the technology field.

 

[toneroni]

Whens the current release date estimate?

 

[10k]

Geek is pissed at shitty console CPUs. I see his point. They really got the shaft this gen. Why not crank console TDP up to 200 watts? Or even higher? Just keep the price down. Plenty of applications rely on strong CPU at a high clockrate. Games not needing a strong CPU? It's a myth.

Yeah whatever happened to the 3.2Ghz CPUs like in the 360. I'd rather have less cores and higher clocks than tons of weak cores. But wtf do I know? Cooling and costs shouldn't be an issue since fabrications have gotten tinier and cooler.

 

[Neoxon]

Whens the current release date estimate?

The console's likely coming this holiday season (according to Trev's source). If Nintendo's going the shared platform route, we may expect the handheld to follow sometime next year.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

So emily rogers has heard zelda rumors..

 

[Xiao Hu]

So emily rogers has heard zelda rumors..

Link please!

 

[sfried]

So emily rogers has heard zelda rumors..

Wait, Emily Roger's twitter is alive again?

Spoiler

I thought she went dark?

 

[Nanashrew]

So emily rogers has heard zelda rumors..

Shhh!

I believe she is currently digging things up at the moment to find out how legit it is. My Twitter timeline has been pretty quiet since then.


EDIT: Also, I hope no one makes a thread about it either. Emily said that no one should until she has solid proof.

 

[10k]

Whens the current release date estimate?

History suggests the Sunday before Black Friday for Nintendo. So November 20th, 2016.

 

[bachikarn]

That's part of my reasoning about why Nintendo will go "cheap"; as in not some uber machine. They have such a massive disadvantage regarding mind-share amongst "enthusiast gamers" that it'd take nothing short of some mind-blowing specs to get them back on board. If Nintendo can impress their small fanbase and grab some extra "mainstream" families that don't care about specs then it's probably a better avenue to take.

Why even release a new console at that point. Just stick with the Wii U

 

[Chindogg]

I thought Emily's twitter deactivated.

Haven't seen her online in forever.

 

[Whiskeymatt]

Link please!

"Heard some rumors about Zelda today. From very reliable sources. I must investigate further."

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Wait, Emily Roger's twitter is alive again?

Spoiler

I thought she went dark?

I thought Emily's twitter deactivated.

Haven't seen her online in forever.

It was, she made a new one.

 

[Nanashrew]

I thought Emily's twitter deactivated.

Haven't seen her online in forever.

It's a more personal account. She isn't really fully back as a leaker after some of the previous things had happened and how some treated her. She still loves talking about games though and ways Nintendo could/should fix stuff.

 

[Malus]

I wonder what kind of rumors about Zelda we can get at this point. A release window alone certainly wouldn't be newsworthy. Actual in-depth details about the gameplay? Maybe the name? Further confirmation of Zelda NX + holiday 2016 release window would help us pin down the NX release date I suppose.

I'm on blackout until release anyways. Not even gonna watch whatever Zelda stuff is at E3.

 

[10k]

I wonder what kind of rumors about Zelda we can get at this point. A release window certainly wouldn't be newsworthy. Actual in-depth details about the gameplay? Maybe the name?

Most likely Link is a girl or you can choose female or male Link.

Learn about the setting
The subtitle
Why it was really delayed
Maybe it'll have a firm launch date, thus possibly giving away NX release date

There's lots to know.