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Phil Spencer: 'Keyboard and mouse support [on Xbox One] is 'months away'
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I used to play Quake 3 like that long before controllers on PCs were a norm. I still think it's more effective to have a controller in your left hand and mouse in your right than any other setup.
StrangeTaco
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Yeah lot of knee-jerk reactions in this thread without actually reading the OP on top of it.
BleedOrange
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This will probably only be for the traditionally PC games that they bring to Xbox, like League of Legends or DOTA or any RTS's.
It's the reason co-operative modes for play anywhere/cross play are available but competitive multiplayer is still separate. It's ingenious if you ask me. Keep the competitive folks leveled but allow them to help each other since there isn't an advantage there.
Or nostromo. I avoid KB when i can for this setup. You get the benefits of all especially when it comes to analog movement being useful, but retain the precsion of mouse aim.
The problem on pc currently is not all games let you use both at once or hot swap.
BRocknRolla
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This seems an obvious conclusion.(Or at least it should be. It would be insane if that was the end result.)
How they go cordoning-off different modes for different input methods is an interesting question though.
This has certainly been an issue for the Steam controller, but are you suggesting that you use other controllers and a mouse at the same time? I'm honestly curious.
BRocknRolla
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Whoops, double.
Punkster_NY
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so... k/m will be allowed to compete against controllers in MP?
RichiRamjag
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If it pushes all console users to play on KB+M for multiplayer I see no issue
But then again I only have a PC and have never owned a console so what do I know
If I brought a console and played on that versus my PC, then why in the hell would I want to be pushed toward a control scheme I wasn't interested in?
I don't think MS is trying to push anyone into it. I think some games will support it where it fits.
Breakfast at Noon
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Wow please.
Been doing it since quake 3 DC.
Glad to hear they are well aware of the mess allowing kb/mouse in PvP would be. Like someone said above, that would seal the deal for me as far as buying those games on PS4.
They already have it, it's called XIM and even with certain flaws you still out play pad players. Anyone wanting some support in all console titles is using this. The rest will just be types like me wanting support on proper games.
Only time you avoid players like me is at a tourney where such devices are banned.
I know that exists, but I am talking about what was in the OP, not some third party device you have to buy and set up yourself to get KB+M working.
Real_Madrid
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Yup, PS3 also had M&K support, no one cared.
Don't understand this at all, who wants M&K support for consoles? Like League of Legends will port their game over for the few percent of people who would play such a game on a console.
Obviously it will.
Keyboard+Mouse vs Pad in a FPS games, players using Pads will get rekt.
Console is a platform where everyone is playing within the same environment unlike PCs.
Thats one of the good aspects of it. So I'm against it for console gaming.
They should just stop with this half-assery.
"Keyboard not there yet" Yeah right.
In the interest of Gamer choice, you know, the "play how you want" let us use what ever peripheral we have. What controller hardware works with a certain game should be left to the Devs, Be it MKB, HOTAS, Wheels, etc...
I mean I want to play with my Xbox more, but this is one issue that keeps popping up, I would rather play many games with a wheel, hotas, mkb, than a controller, so PC it is.
Phil, please give something back to your existing Xbox One player base. I mean HW2 looks interesting, and the cross-buy/play is enticing, but I will never play that on a console because of controller reasons, so cross-buy/play has zero value.
"Keyboard not there yet" Yeah right.
In the interest of Gamer choice, you know, the "play how you want" let us use what ever peripheral we have. What controller hardware works with a certain game should be left to the Devs, Be it MKB, HOTAS, Wheels, etc...
I mean I want to play with my Xbox more, but this is one issue that keeps popping up, I would rather play many games with a wheel, hotas, mkb, than a controller, so PC it is.
Phil, please give something back to your existing Xbox One player base. I mean HW2 looks interesting, and the cross-buy/play is enticing, but I will never play that on a console because of controller reasons, so cross-buy/play has zero value.
Maximilian Kolbe
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That's what they're planning to do.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Glad I didn't buy an elite controller. No controller will be able to compete with a good KB/M combo in shooters.
They're doing that
LukasTaves
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They just need to make sure people who want to play with a controller never play against people using a keyboard+mouse unless they want to.
Poodlestrike
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Why in god's name are people assuming that this means MKB support is automatically enabled and unfiltered in all games? That makes no sense. Not only from a policy standpoint (they've said numerous times that they understand that matching MKB users against controller users is just asking for disaster), but from a technical one. The console supporting MKB isn't spontaneously going to add mouse controls to games that previously didn't support it.
yep
WouldYouKindly
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Why dont they just make an xbox pc at this point?
Are gaffers really this stupid? Mouse and keyboard will of course only be supported in mouse and keyboard specific games or the Xbox will detect it and force you into multiplayer against other mouse and keyboard user/pc users. Gamepad users will of course be matchmaked against other gamepad user.
Microsoft is not going to open up so mouse and keyboard user will rekt gamepad user. It's probably also why it takes a bit time to make it work(hence the "months" away). My guess is E3 2017 reveal and maybe release at the same time as Scorpio. It will be great for players who want a console, but still be able to play games like LoL, Dota and Civ, with buying a PC.
It's not exactly rocket science...
Microsoft is not going to open up so mouse and keyboard user will rekt gamepad user. It's probably also why it takes a bit time to make it work(hence the "months" away). My guess is E3 2017 reveal and maybe release at the same time as Scorpio. It will be great for players who want a console, but still be able to play games like LoL, Dota and Civ, with buying a PC.
It's not exactly rocket science...
It's exactly what they are doing with Xbox Scorpio. It's a "couch" PC for people who don't want to buy a "normal" PC and only want one machine. With mouse and keyboard support people who buys an Xbox Scorpio will only miss out on PS4 exclusives and the smaller indie titles that will not be ported.
Infernostew
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Relax people. 99% of devs won't support m/k like they already don't on PS4.
WouldYouKindly
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I think you underestimate how much easier it is to port games now than it was with the PS3. Microsofts push into unifiyng Xbox and PC is also a sign that they are serious about it. I think moving every Xbox exclusive game to the PC shows how serious Microsoft is about it. Also the cross play and play anywhere features.
Sony never pushed mouse and keyboard support and of course no one cared about it. It's not at all comparable to what Microsoft is trying to do.
Maximilian Kolbe
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There is a problem, it seems many member don't know PS4 support KB+M for gaming(again doesn't mean every games have to support it, just like right now) since launch, i assume even some PS4 owner don't know about this lol.
"Only miss out"
We are talking games here right? Xbox user will miss out on PS4 exclusives and games that will not be ported over to the Scorpio. You agree? I think people underestimate what games wlll eventually end up on the Scorpio if it gets mouse and keyboard support. I think many of the big AAA games will be avaliable.
"Only miss out"
Well they will, it's up to the end user, like always to see what library appeals to them the most.
ChoklitReign
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A lot of people in this thread forgot single-player shooters still exist. How hard would it be for developers to prohibit players with a M&KB plugged in from multiplayer but allow it for single-player games? It's pretty much my dream feature for consoles. If fighting games allow gamepads and sticks as controllers, single-player modes shouldn't care what method you prefer.
ss_lemonade
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I played a lot of outtrigger, quake and unreal tourny on the dreamcast with my ps/2 keyboard and mouse. You could even access the console with quake. VGA support and this was like playing a pc game on the dreamcast lol
All they have to do is separate matchmaking based on input method across their respective platforms. Considering they're blurring the boundaries between PC and Console, it's safe to say that there's going to be a healthy amount of titles where cross platform play is possible. If you're on Xbox/PC and you're using a controller, you're thrown into a match making pool with other Xbox/PC gamers who are using the same input. If you're on an Xbox/PC and you're using KB&M, then you'll be thrown into a matchmaking pool with other KB&M users.
I'm not too sure of the feasibility of accomplishing this on PC though, as far as PC gamers potentially being able to some how 'spoof' their input method.
I'm not too sure of the feasibility of accomplishing this on PC though, as far as PC gamers potentially being able to some how 'spoof' their input method.
This. Phil even address that in the giantbomb interview. Even suggested developers could separate match making based on controller type
nintendork666
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I haven't owned an XBOX since the O.G. but I really like how Microsoft is thinking these days, especially after watching Gerstmann interview Spencer earlier tonight.
jimbobsmells
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Screw FPS support, use it to bring all those PC only strategy games to Xbox. Civ, Total War, HOI.
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