I doubt it will be $399, given that the price can really be a market killer with more affordable consoles present at the moment. And without a second screen, the 4DS dream is dead, for now at least lol.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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I doubt it will be $399, given that the price can really be a market killer with more affordable consoles present at the moment. And without a second screen, the 4DS dream is dead, for now at least lol.
If NX as a handheld does Gamecube numbers then it will be the end for Nintendo as a platform provider.
Leona Lewis
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Yeah, the only people I see use tablets while commuting are older people who use them to read books.
Otherwise, they're a staple of the living room to keep the kids under 10 years old who don't have phones yet distracted until they graduate to the drawer to collect dust.
I seriously believe that education is singlehandedly propping up that entire market.
Nintendo's only shot at breaking out into the collective consciousness is through some type of unbelievably cheap device that pipes into whatever hardware people already own. Like a more imaginative Fire Stick.
There's no mass market for their hardware anymore. Barely enough of a market for anyone else either, hence the desperate Neo/Scorpio Hail Mary's to squeeze more blood from that dedicated hardware stone.
Make or break times ahead.
Dreamwriter
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In what way? Not financially, it would take more than 10 console flops to eat up Nintendo's money.
Who are you genuinely kidding here. This is some pie-in-the-sky kind of nonsense.
iPads have thousands of uses beyond gaming, and when mom and dad buy the new model, the older model gets passed down for the kids to play with. That doesn't mean people are buying brand new 500$ tablets as playthings for their kids. A 100$ android tablet maybe, and that's likely still a better deal than the NX because the games on it won't be 59$ a pop.
Iced Arcade
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I know lots of kids who don't have/use mobile phones. But most of those kids have an iPod touch and play those games.
I doubt the dock will have any additional hardware to beef up the system while in console mode and if it does it'll probably use some proprietary connector but fwiw Thunderbolt 3 has enough bandwidth for external gpu docks.
SinCityAssassin
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And a lot of low income families still buy DSes for their kids because they're so cheap in thrift stores (although 2DS probably replaces that budget utility now).
If the handheld market implodes to Gamecube levels and that's what will pass as a success then it basically indicates there really is no more market for Nintendo Hardware. They can keep blowing money hoping for a one hit wonder but the odds are they will blow their funds in the process.
Would make more sense for Nintendo to reorganize and find a new purpose as a software developer and whatever else for their IPs
Power somewhere between a Wii-U and XB1 (but portable).
I guess it's fine for a portable, but I seriously hope it's at least XBO tier when docked and played on tv.
Of course there could also be a more powerful "true" home console coming, but I doubt it.
The NX-files are finally getting revealed for the world to pass a verdict on Nintendo...
Nintendoom?
I think they weren't mentioning Xbone rather the Tegra X1, which is way worse. Think nvidia shield performance or you could say a slightly better WiiU.
The dream of PS4/XB1 graphics for Nintendo exclusives is over.
cheers.
hooijdonk17
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Anectodal: I have kids, my friends have kids. When we get together, they get together and bring their tablets/ipads around. You know what they do with those? They play Minecraft together.
Yes, even at 10 years, they want to play easy to access games Together.
NX will fail.
Yes, even at 10 years, they want to play easy to access games Together.
NX will fail.
KojiKnight
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Lots of people saying hybrid... But this, to me, sounds like it's just the portable... Did everyone forget the NX is supposed to be a series of devices?
It makes sense the portable would be out first to replace the aged 3ds... And the hooking up to the tv part is supposed to ease people into the nx ecosystem while being a stop gap between wii u and console nx.
So many people are jumping to conclusions though.
It makes sense the portable would be out first to replace the aged 3ds... And the hooking up to the tv part is supposed to ease people into the nx ecosystem while being a stop gap between wii u and console nx.
So many people are jumping to conclusions though.
Calm waterfall
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Hopefully it has a great screen.
Who do you think you are to say that these people have a bad taste? What a dumbass statement.
Who do you think you are to say that these people have a bad taste? What a dumbass statement.
paradise_circus
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USB 3 can provide the needed bandwidth as well. Sony did this once in their Vaio Z line
edit: Sony used a "light peak" connector
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4474/sony-updates-vaio-z-thinner-lighter-light-peak-and-external-gpu
Familienoberhauptvogel
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contrary to the Wii U the 3DS still has life in it left and was a modicum of success. It wouldn't make much sense to phase it out first
Cow Mengde
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The dock. There might be more to it than just connecting to the TV. After all, why add a piece of device to it when you can use HDMI directly from the system?
I live in the US. Specifically, Georgia.
I have a niece who loves playing with smartphones. She loves playing games, watching Youtube, and especially taking pictures and looking at pictures that other people have taken of her (and they have to be of her; she's a bit narcissistic).
But she's only turning 5 next month, so she's too young to have her own phone.
As my sister and brother-in-law aren't particularly big tablet people, they don't own a tablet, much less have an extra tablet lying around to give to her.
So if the NX came around and could do the stuff that she cares about (playing games, watching Youtube when on Wifi, taking pictures), and it was priced reasonably, I could see them getting her one for her birthday or Christmas or something.
I'm not saying it's going to sell better than the iPad, just that this is a market that they could potentially capitalize on.
I'd assume even Nintendo would at some point try something other than selling hardware if that strategy continues to fail.
NOLA_Gaffer
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It was a joke, calm down.
Couldn't the dock house a very powerful gpu to fuel the system and get far better performance on the TV?
Predictions for prices
$250
Tablet + Attachable Controls + Dock
$200
Handheld system + Attachable Controls
$60 (sold separately)
Classic Controller (because Attachable controls probably not as comfy)
System will launch with the $250 SKU only. At fall we will get the seperate handheld SKU
$250
Tablet + Attachable Controls + Dock
$200
Handheld system + Attachable Controls
$60 (sold separately)
Classic Controller (because Attachable controls probably not as comfy)
System will launch with the $250 SKU only. At fall we will get the seperate handheld SKU
Same reason I have a dock to charge my Wii U Gamepad and my 3DS: It's just much quicker and more convenient to drop the thing into a dock when you want to charge than to deal with plugging a cord in every time you want to charge.
This would go doubly so for the NX, as without a dock, you'd have to plug in both the power cord and the HDMI cable.
$40-$60 games tho.
Sidewinder
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Not many I'd guess, me definitely not.
Do you actually think all Nintendo games cost $40 to $60? You do know the eshop exists right?
You do realise that the WiiU and 3DS have a combined install base that's approximately the same as the PS4 and the Xbox One Combined. It's not nothing
dead_lighter
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I hope they will power up marketing or people will believe this to be a mere GamePad for the Wii...
Dagobert Duck
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We dont know, its all speculation, maybe the dock will include a hotdog maker...
So the idea of a portable where you can pull out the controllers and do some Mario Kart 8 on the go sounds admittedly neat, but what I have difficulty picturing is how the screen can be big enough for two players to sit some ways away from the device and game on it, while also being small enough for being a portable. It'll either be too fiddly for two or unwieldy for one.
I dunno, the moment the Wii got announced I was incredibly confident it would do great. I was really unsure about Wii U and now I'm really unsure about this. Only way I can see it blow up is if Nintendo manages to get every 3DS owner to convert in a relatively short time, so that the install base catches up to Xbone quickly, and then third party devs start focusing on the NX in favor of Xbone.
Here's hoping they have another ace up their sleeve come reveal.
I dunno, the moment the Wii got announced I was incredibly confident it would do great. I was really unsure about Wii U and now I'm really unsure about this. Only way I can see it blow up is if Nintendo manages to get every 3DS owner to convert in a relatively short time, so that the install base catches up to Xbone quickly, and then third party devs start focusing on the NX in favor of Xbone.
Here's hoping they have another ace up their sleeve come reveal.
I'm hoping for a cornballer.
And also amazon ! Some games are much cheaper than official prices (30Yes looking at you Yoshi Wooly world !).
Joelstinton14
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It is possible for sure.
I think a few people are getting hung up on the Handheld aspect of this.
Because a clue is in the the apparent size of the game cartridge - 32gb. Which to me suggests that there will be home console experiences than what it seems like at the moment, You can almost fit dark souls 3 twice on that card. And with Zelda BOTW has been confirmed for the system it seems or feels like we are missing something here.
Nintendo games are notoriously small - their own games would not even need a third of that space (of the card) Which suggest to me their is something going on with the home hub, or that we only know a small amount of the bigger picture here.
That, or a variation of it, is an idea that has been kicked around.
On one hand, "very powerful" is not something I see as remotely possible given Nintendo's stance on not selling at a loss. That said, with their SCD patent nearly cleared, I think it's reasonable to speculate that the dock might have some role to play other than just being a power station with an HDMI out.
It all depends upon what Nintendo's big secret sauce blend is (if anything.)
Throwaway123456789
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Which means nada. It's not a graphically demanding game, and you can control Just Dance with your phone.
GC+Wii U numbers would be a catastrophic failure! Going from 75 million (Wii U + 3DS) to 35 million would be insane.
Leona Lewis
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And both WiiU and 3DS are way down from their predecessors, and that's my point.
It's a rapidly shrinking market. Combining both the console and handheld businesses into one device is risky if the many compromises needed for that to happen end up alienating both markets.
KojiKnight
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Success or failure, the 3ds needs replaced just as much... Too say it has life left is silly... Does the 3ds need a 6 month dry spell before it's ready to be replaced too?
No, you follow up before you starve the audience, for the wii i there is no audience to starve.
Just wait and see them calling it the Wii-R
SinCityAssassin
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I more meant a movement-based game is releasing generally on consoles with sensor capabilities.
Bitch Pudding
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Even if they cost just 20 bucks, they still compete against a whole bunch of F2P or 3,49 titles offered on iTunes oder google store.
And yes, NX also competes against mobile phones and tablets, this is no blue ocean market, and Nintendo is very well aware of that fact. They still think it's a good idea to go with a mobile-heavy NX concept and I am sure they had insights from some focus groups or some other market research before they made their decision.
NX could become the next big thing for them, could also be their downfall... I haven't made my opinion on that yet, first I want to see the damn thing and its price tag.
Starchasing
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I read this when I was in the train to work 20 minutes ago. Right next to me were some of those "kids". After reading psyfi's comment I had to make this photo to illustrate which challenge Nintendo really awaits with their mobile-heavy concept:
And yes, all four were playing some mobile games (the one in the middle was just watching), but not PGo.
Long story short, I guess almost every kid older than 10 has a smartphone these days. At least those wo are also potential candidates for a Nintendo NX console, that is.
Using your phone as a controller is the gimmick.
You bring your NX , and everyone can play with you, either on the tv or the nx screen.
That is a clear value proposition for the casual market.
Still wondering what Nintendo mean with "they don't want sony or MS copy their idea".
I think their is just much more too it than just connection an handheld to your tv.
They made this possible for every handheld GB/GBA/3ds and so on.
I think we are missing something, or it's the patent with the extra base station or something else.
I think their is just much more too it than just connection an handheld to your tv.
They made this possible for every handheld GB/GBA/3ds and so on.
I think we are missing something, or it's the patent with the extra base station or something else.
Pancakes R Us
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The thing is, the third party support that you're (I assume) talking about is ALREADY non existent. IMO, this crowd isn't coming to Nintendo anytime soon, so no point trying to waste time, money and resources on it. Appease your core Nintendo crowd and work on new things to get the core buying and hopefully attracting people that are willing to play/try things outside of CoD/FIFA/Madden/Halo. Get all the indies and mini developers on board. The next big thing could come from anywhere, just as much am chance as it has as coming from a third party with multi million pound development budgets.
If you want those other games so much, a Nintenso console probably isn't for you. In which case I'd recommend a a PS4, XB1 or a PC.
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