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Persona Mafia |OT| Memento Mori

Plop, if you flip town i will do everything in my power to nail hyper tomorrow (which is little since no one else is even playing it seems)

11037, can i get your updated feel on hyper, bb, me, and plop. You were on hyper yesterday as well.

Matt, why so terse, bro? Out of character
 
Wait...

Can anyone do that type of role reveal?

If not, what kind of power is that for Vanguard? Your power is that you get to reveal you're a townie?

Or is it a scum power that you get to be revealed as a townie? Like a disguise...

Jesus help me I'm confused.

Also, this is not a good look.
 

11037

Banned
Plop, if you flip town i will do everything in my power to nail hyper tomorrow (which is little since no one else is even playing it seems)

11037, can i get your updated feel on hyper, bb, me, and plop. You were on hyper yesterday as well.

Matt, why so terse, bro? Out of character
No internet rn, sorry these will be kinda short.

Hyperactivity: Still feeling he could be scum.

BlackBuzzard: I believe BB is probably scum. He has managed to escape being lynched for a couple days now.

Flatearthpandas: You're town, I feel very confident in saying this.

Plop. Possibly scum? I'm unsure whether I believe his claim or not. If he gets lynched today and is scum, I'll probably feel town on Hyper.

Matt Attack: I believed he was town but thinking back, he has voted for Vanguard, protected Style day two and voted for Zipped (tho to be fair I have as well). He could have made some very bad judgements but still I feel a little wary of him now.
 
Since I'm likely dead by day's end, I'll just give my last couple observations.

WAMD is likely scum. She's given very few reads and very few posts in general. That can fly early on, but at this point, if you don't have reads, you either ain't paying attention and you're wasting everyone's time, or you don't need reads because you're scum and you already know who your friends are.

PK Gaming seems to be on a lot of town lists, but I can't shake a scummy feeling. He mostly posts only when called upon and seems to go with the flow rather than make any waves. Plus his overwrought posts about getting revenge after a townie is lynched in the night stinks of gloating.

Hyper, I'm really not sure on. He's been on my ass, so that makes it tough to be super objective, and I've caught him exaggerating or flat out lying more than once. I desperately want to believe he's town but I doubt it more and more as time goes on. Being willing to lynch me despite my PR claim (and not just this day but on the same day I made the claim) stinks of scum. He knows I'm telling the truth and needs me dead. What better way to see me dead than by having town do it? Trying a night kill on me is playing a shell game because they can't be 100% sure whether or not I can use my power on myself any given night. But a town lynch on me kills me dead.

11037 is a null leaning scum, mostly because he seems to post just enough to get by. I don't see any depth to his reads and he's careful not to step on toes.

FEP is 99% town. We all know why.

Matt Attack is probably town. There is depth to his reads, but he also doesn't post often. Could go either way but I'm inclined to say town.

Verelios I hope to Christ is town because he's been one of my top town reads for a while. His posts have depth, he's here often enough, and I haven't noticed anything that really gives me pause to think he's hiding anything.

And BB I want to believe is town because of his dealings with Exodu5 way back when. However, if Hyper flips scum, bury BB next because of how heavily Hyper has covered for BB since way back.

That's all I've got off the top of my head.

Bury me face down with my ass in the air so y'all can kiss it. 😘
 
Don't take it personal. But why do you think you weren't role blocked and killed when town star's info seems to indicate one?

Do we know for sure they have a role block?

I honestly can't say. I know it sounds like an excuse, but the only predictable thing about scum so far is that what they've done so far has been pretty unpredictable.

(Also, the ass kissing thing was just a joke. No hard feelings when I die. Hell, I've been in on two innocent lynches so far. It happens.)
 
Do we know for sure they have a role block?
No. But we know star got a failed check on natiko when natiko definitely moved. And this was after star claimed so it was known she was tracker by scum. With no one better to rb that night, makes sense for them to just block her and nk whoever.
 
No. But we know star got a failed check on natiko when natiko definitely moved. And this was after star claimed so it was known she was tracker by scum. With no one better to rb that night, makes sense for them to just block her and nk whoever.

Perhaps their role blocker just had one shot. Or used their other shots blindly. I don't know.

Also, are we sure Natiko had to move to do his thing? I know it's a sales role, but it sounds like he had mods doing the selling for him. I don't know how this stuff works.
 
Not an indication of a role blocker so much as as a switcher, lightning rod, witch/wizard, or one way switcher that randomly chooses 2nd player

The action happened, so no rb
 
Not an indication of a role blocker so much as as a switcher, lightning rod, witch/wizard, or one way switcher that randomly chooses 2nd player

The action happened, so no rb

She only used one shot. We really have no indication that the slot actually went off. Really doubtful we've got a lightning rod or switcher. Not to mention those are typically town roles afaik
 
Not an indication of a role blocker so much as as a switcher, lightning rod, witch/wizard, or one way switcher that randomly chooses 2nd player

The action happened, so no rb

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Yeah, much more likely sketch just got a no result which is actually typical and has nothing else to compare it to. Unless you have something to claim, hyper, why are you bringing up the random stuff?

And since we actually know frans item since he was actually a useful townie, we know for a fact there was not a lightning rod that night from one of natiko's items. Like really, what is this bullshit??
 
Since I'm likely dead by day's end, I'll just give my last couple observations.

WAMD is likely scum. She's given very few reads and very few posts in general. That can fly early on, but at this point, if you don't have reads, you either ain't paying attention and you're wasting everyone's time, or you don't need reads because you're scum and you already know who your friends are.

PK Gaming seems to be on a lot of town lists, but I can't shake a scummy feeling. He mostly posts only when called upon and seems to go with the flow rather than make any waves. Plus his overwrought posts about getting revenge after a townie is lynched in the night stinks of gloating.

Hyper, I'm really not sure on. He's been on my ass, so that makes it tough to be super objective, and I've caught him exaggerating or flat out lying more than once. I desperately want to believe he's town but I doubt it more and more as time goes on. Being willing to lynch me despite my PR claim (and not just this day but on the same day I made the claim) stinks of scum. He knows I'm telling the truth and needs me dead. What better way to see me dead than by having town do it? Trying a night kill on me is playing a shell game because they can't be 100% sure whether or not I can use my power on myself any given night. But a town lynch on me kills me dead.

11037 is a null leaning scum, mostly because he seems to post just enough to get by. I don't see any depth to his reads and he's careful not to step on toes.

FEP is 99% town. We all know why.

Matt Attack is probably town. There is depth to his reads, but he also doesn't post often. Could go either way but I'm inclined to say town.

Verelios I hope to Christ is town because he's been one of my top town reads for a while. His posts have depth, he's here often enough, and I haven't noticed anything that really gives me pause to think he's hiding anything.

And BB I want to believe is town because of his dealings with Exodu5 way back when. However, if Hyper flips scum, bury BB next because of how heavily Hyper has covered for BB since way back.

That's all I've got off the top of my head.

Bury me face down with my ass in the air so y'all can kiss it. 😘

If you honestly think I would be that obvious, then I don't know what to tell you man.

I'm vanilla town. I think you and Buzzard are both scum. Hence my voting patterns. Light scum read on Matt Attack, different shades of town for everyone else considering I don't think there are two neutrals in the game (for balance purposes).
 
If you honestly think I would be that obvious, then I don't know what to tell you man.

I'm vanilla town. I think you and Buzzard are both scum. Hence my voting patterns. Light scum read on Matt Attack, different shades of town for everyone else considering I don't think there are two neutrals in the game (for balance purposes).

I don't know if you'd be obvious. You mysteriously don't post enough to know how obvious you'd be. But I'm sure there's no motive behind the silence.
 

PK Gaming

Member
Yo I've literally got exams so figure me for being short

11037: Still plays it too cool. Out of everyone in the game, I don't really have a grasp on their personality.

Hyperactivity: It would be incredibly reckless of me to just write him off as a scum, given how much work he's put in lately. But with the game winding down, and Hyperactivity's general experience I could see him going all in on pretending to be town. Ahh I honestly can't choose, so i'll flip a coin.....okay, heads, you're leaning town for now.

BlackBuzzard: Strongly leaning towards scum.

Flatearthpandas: Leaning town. FEP is a pretty great nickname, huh?

Plop: Really comes down to whether he was telling the truth about being a doctor. Who have you saved, and what was your rational for it? Leaning towards scum, but that could change.

Matt Attack: Suspicious...

Verelious: LOATHE AS I AM TO ADMIT IT, it's incredibly doubtful he's scum. Gengar is OVERRATED btw and I hope you enjoyed those Gengar nerfs in Sun & Moon.

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WAMD: An inherit wildcard due to them taking over a user. I don't really know, ngl. I need to do more research on them.

PK Gaming: A dashing, misunderstood rookie turned mafia ace. After losing several of his close allies, he's resolved to get stronger and avenge his friends.
 

Verelios

Member
My worst fear is for FEP and Hyper to be scum mates throwing pot shots and hoping one of them gets to the finish. I'll believe (not much else to do) that this is not the case for now since it's also not a highly likely scenario. Therefore:

I'm checking up on Matt Attack. He was quite quick, a little too quick to offer an alternative lynch candidate. I also have to go back and see who first threw around 'Framer' when Fran came out with his item.
 
i'm very busy this week so i can bear-ly post will pop back in before the end though please
bear with me.
also i got an item and got cursed(can't talk about it yet) nothing serious though, it'll pass by this day phase.
 
This is probably a dumb question, and will likely add to the growing list of things that make me look guilty, but what are the chances that one of the items Natiko sold could be used to trick us?

Like maybe make a scum player appear as an innocent child or whatever?
 
This is probably a dumb question, and will likely add to the growing list of things that make me look guilty, but what are the chances that one of the items Natiko sold could be used to trick us?

Like maybe make a scum player appear as an innocent child or whatever?
Practically nothing unless this game is so bastard they even lied about how bastard it is. We should believe what the mods tell us and they told us vanguard is town.
 

Verelios

Member
This is probably a dumb question, and will likely add to the growing list of things that make me look guilty, but what are the chances that one of the items Natiko sold could be used to trick us?

Like maybe make a scum player appear as an innocent child or whatever?
Sophia would be Ikutsuki then. I'm sure that's a worse fate than simply not doing it.
 
Matt, why so terse, bro? Out of character

Sorry, my computer has uncharacteristically broken. Unfortunately I am unable to search all of a user's lists on mobile (as far as I can tell), which makes the process of going through the thread quite a bit more frustrating. I also accidentally marathoned The Last Guardian, which ate up a lot of time.

I'm checking up on Matt Attack. He was quite quick, a little too quick to offer an alternative lynch candidate.

I mean, I've gone on the record saying that I leaned town on both Star and Buzzard. I also wanted to lynch Zipped/Sept since the day beforehand. It's not like my vote came out nowhere.

a reads list:

11037: Null, sort of leaning scum. Posts too frequent, but there's an okay feeling of effort in most of them. I still can't get much of a read on him though, which I find concerning. This may partially be due to the presence of our more controversial lynch candidates, but I feel like 11037 has not gotten due attention. I would probably normally list you as town, but I feel like there's a good chance that if one of our remaining scum is one of or more active and talkative players, the other would want to hide in plain sight, taking care not to make waves... maybe it could be you? Usually I can call up a player's name in my mind and say what I think about them, but that's hard to do for you.

BlackBuzzard: Town. D1 position on Style looks good, and he himself seems like he's been a bit too common and easy of a target. His actual play has been not always ideal in terms of depth and frequency, but little seems overtly scummy to me. This backfired on me with Style, but I do think Buzzard is town.

FEP: Town. I was initially concerned about you on D1 but you didn't take long to push me in the opposite direction. I felt like you were one of the few voices of reason on D2, and ever since I've felt like you've been putting your posts to good use for the benefit of town. Feeing pretty solidly on you for now.

WhereAreMahDragonz: Town. Has claimed ordinary, has played like an ordinary without as much time to put into the game. D1 play with Exodu5 gives a pretty good look for her imo.

PK Gaming: Town. One of my more consistent reads. I've thought he felt like newbie town since D1 and... that hasn't changed. Is his play always optimal? No. But I'm not getting scummy vibes at all.

plop: Scum. I find Hyper's case against you fairly convincing. There are a lot of points he brings up that fit together decently well, and considering you've claimed being a Doctor who has unfortunately been unable to protect somebody thus far, we don't have any way to verify you yet. I am not opposed to delaying your lynch a day to give you another shot and try to prove your ability, but I do think that you're gonna have to go if you can't.

Hyperactivity: Probably town, semi-conditional to plop's flip. Your argument against plop is pretty strong, and I don't see us lynching you until he flips town, in which case a much more detailed analysis of your posts would be warranted. This isn't a very detailed read but you have a lot of posts and I'm kind of panicking imagining going through them all on my phone... For now, I don't see you getting lynched before plop.

Verelios: Scum. Your posts, from the beginning of the game until now, have seemed town at first glance. But I'm just realizing how different our reads on people have been. You've got serious suspicion on Star, you've got BB suspicion, you've got PK suspicion. I feel like these are people scum team would have loved/would love today to get rid of. (We haven't seen BB or PK's flips but I believe they are town). There's more than just read differences too. You easily hopped on the Sept bandwagon (or at least attempted to since you misspelled your vote), for instance. Exodu5 town read you, and while you did vote for him, it was at the very last possible moment. I'm picturing you being an opportunistic scum. Before people's flips you look like you're doing good work, but I feel like afterwards, your record may not look so clean.

IMO, assuming 2 scum left, the most likely scum configuration would go like the following: plop/Hyper/FEP + 11307/Verelios. In other words, one player who I would classify as a discussion leader, and another who I would say is simply a solid presence. Some of them (like FEP) are kind of long shots, but I included anyway because I can't discount the possibility. I'm currently in favor of scum team being plop + Verelios, btw. Strongly so.

A lot of my reads list probably seems like rambling. I admit that being stuck to only mobile makes it a little tough, I usually use my PC for my longer posts. I will say I intend to do a more thorough analysis of Verelios, since I'm not really super satisfied with how my section on him came out. I think he's scum and he deserves that much.
 
plop: Scum. I find Hyper's case against you fairly convincing. There are a lot of points he brings up that fit together decently well, and considering you've claimed being a Doctor who has unfortunately been unable to protect somebody thus far, we don't have any way to verify you yet. I am not opposed to delaying your lynch a day to give you another shot and try to prove your ability, but I do think that you're gonna have to go if you can't.

Believe me, I'm the most frustrated person here about my inability to successfully block a kill. Not that it'd prove beyond a shadow of doubt that I'm telling the truth, but it'd help.

I'm just not good enough yet to successfully predict what's going to happen next.
 

Verelios

Member
MattAttack said:
A lot of my reads list probably seems like rambling. I admit that being stuck to only mobile makes it a little tough, I usually use my PC for my longer posts. I will say I intend to do a more thorough analysis of Verelios, since I'm not really super satisfied with how my section on him came out. I think he's scum and he deserves that much.
Matt, mate, I'd be more than happy to entertain you when you get back. This thread is so stagnant I'm jumping into my TV at the chance.
 
Matt, mate, I'd be more than happy to entertain you when you get back. This thread is so stagnant I'm jumping into my TV at the chance.

I've got some bad news then: I'm semi-backtracking off of my stance that you + plop are the most likely configuration. I spent the last few hours going through the thread and have cooled a bit on you. To be more precise: I still think you're a candidate for scum. I just think that it's impossible to be so confident you're scum when my own reasoning relies too much on both my own unconfirmed town reads and unconfirmed scum strategies I'm imagining they'd use. I'll include some of what I've worked on thus far though and try to refine my proposed scum comp from my last post.

First, scum composition. Assuming 2 scum. plop/Hyper/FEP/Verelios + 11307/PK Gaming. I've added PK to the second half of the equation and moved Verelios to the first. Going through the thread, I became less and less convinced that Verelios was working with plop. D1, post #173, he proposes a potential (suspicious) link between plop and Sorian. Not sure why you'd do this if you were teammates, especially when you and Style seemed to be on each other's cases D1, but if you'd already planned to kill Sorian, then the point would be moot the next day regardless since Sorian would be confirmed town. Verelios also said Hyper's initial case against plop was fairly persuasive (albeit with some reservations). Might be a weird stance at this stage of the game if you guys are working together? At this point I started to seriously second guess that you two were working together, but if anybody can offer an explanation then be my guest.

My addition of PK Gaming is a weird one because I genuinely do believe he's town. Going through the thread though, I realized that I may have been a little too emotional here. I really liked his defense of Star because I generally agreed with it, and I appreciate the "levity" he attempts to add to the game. What got me thinking though is that, since this game hasn't 100% met his expectations, maybe he's played it in a way we don't typically expect as well. Basically, what if he were a scum trying to earn certain town members' trust by believing in them, being charismatic, kind and reliable (case in point: his spirited defense of Star). This isn't really a case against him per se, but I'm trying to avoid putting too much stock into my assumptions, and once I thought of this I felt it'd be remiss if I didn't consider it further.

One thing I was also wondering going through D1 was that Verelios was generally perceived as town, moreso than most players. Has me considering if he was Ty's target. I'd say that between plop and Verelios, there's a decent chance it's one of them.

Going forward I intend to look at 11307 more. I'll let you guys know my thoughts.
 

11037

Banned
Vote: plop]/highlight]

The case against you is a lot more convincing than my case against Hyper. Sorry if you're town but I feel there is a good chance you could be scum.

I'll set an alarm so hopefully I'll be awake to check in before day's end.
 
Vote:plop

Sorry have to cast my vote now got the evening/nightshift at work. Sorry Plop you didn't save anyone for this entire game. Plus weird as it sounds you didn't get NK'd last night but Starsketch did which is really strange, when doc is from what i know the most valuable role in the game.
 
Well damn.

Vote:plop

Sorry have to cast my vote now got the evening/nightshift at work. Sorry Plop you didn't save anyone for this entire game. Plus weird as it sounds you didn't get NK'd last night but Starsketch did which is really strange, when doc is from what i know the most valuable role in the game.

Y'all act like getting a night save against an unpredictable scum team isn't like throwing darts at a target in the dark.

Even if you people think I'm scum, I find it hard to believe I'm the most valid target. Especially considering that, if I'm telling the truth (and I am), you risk killing a doctor at a time when odds give me a much better chance of getting a night save because of our shrinking town population.
 
Unvote

Too close right now. Too little talking

Thank you.

This is what I don't like. Too many people seem to be basing my guilt on Hyper. But his evidence is circumstantial at best and is absolutely wrong.

And nobody is really working to find any other evidence about someone else. When I die and flip town, what then? Lynch Hyper? I wouldn't be against that, but what if it turns out he's a townie who just made a series of bad reads on me? Who's next? Who do we have solid evidence against? Nobody, because nobody is talking.

Way too much coasting going on here. And that's how scum wins. I say we put pressure on the coasters to tell us how they're not scum. Or at least just to fucking engage a little more.

WhereAreMahDragonz
 
Don't get me wrong, you being alive is the scummiest thing in the game right now. Not interested in a hammer though.

Hyperactivity's ridiculous speculation is the Second scummiest thing of just today. I'm inclined to think that either you both are the remaining scum or that hyper is a jester.

Plop, if you're town and somehow survive this day, protect yourself or vanguard. Considering a believe there is a roleblock and not a switch, am positive there's no lightning rod, i don't think it matters. The only fail tonight is If anyone except you or hyper eats it.

Actually:
Vote: Hyperactivity

For now
 
you being alive is the scummiest thing in the game right now.

Plop, protect yourself or vanguard.

I get the feeling that your first sentence describes why they wouldn't try to kill either me or Vanguard tonight.

The longer I live thru the night, the scummier I look. It's only a matter of time before town kills me for them. Of course, leaving me alive also increases my odds of a successful block, especially considering the fact that I know they're unlikely to attack me or Vanguard (the two logical targets).
 

Verelios

Member
Haha, Matt, I've really got to check up on you more often.

Anyway, is this a concerted effort to lynch someone claiming doctor? It's not like I'm surprised or anything, it's just me saying we really are going for straightforward lynch today. Crows, roost or something.
 
Haha, Matt, I've really got to check up on you more often.

Anyway, is this a concerted effort to lynch someone claiming doctor? It's not like I'm surprised or anything, it's just me saying we really are going for straightforward lynch today. Crows, roost or something.

Either that or another last minute clusterfuck (that hopefully doesn't result in another town lynch or a no-lynch).

I don't want to die, but if it means it'll finally get the team together to look for someone else, string me up. Because right now I just smell complacency. Or disinterest.

Also, where's Hyper? He started this shitstorm. He needs to see it thru or risk looking like he's purposely trying to fade into the background while the rest of you do his dirty work for him.
 

Verelios

Member
Well, barring a last minute cluster fuck this doesn't particularly look good for you Plop. So let's discuss some other things in preparation. If Plop flips whichever way, what direction are you guys looking to go towards?
 
Well, barring a last minute cluster fuck this doesn't particularly look good for you Plop. So let's discuss some other things in preparation. If Plop flips whichever way, what direction are you guys looking to go towards?

I've been asking that for a while.

My guess would be my town flip will leave Hyper looking scummy. He's a good player, so I don't doubt he may be able to tap dance his way out of a lynch for a couple days though. If he flips scum, I'd expect BB to be next up because Hyper has been huge on defending BB (although, considering Hyper's talent and his overly-obvious defense of BB, it's possible that a scum Hyper knows he's close to a lynch and wants to scum-up a townie BB by coming out so hard in his defense).

Beyond that, my personal next would be WAMD due to lack of input, meaning either silent scum or ineffectual town. Or 11037. Or PK. I'm back and forth on them.

And Matt.

And Verelios.

And even FEP.

I don't trust none o' you.
 

Verelios

Member
If you flip town Plop, my first read would probably be Hyper then FEP (I don't trust that anyone protects others without interest), flip this order in the other direction otherwise. Matt Attack is interesting. In theory I should be putting him after Hyper in scrutiny if Plop flips town yet he hasn't done much to push a lynch or save Plop despite scum reading him. Very grayscale.

As for WAMD, 11037, and PK, I'm not entirely sure about their allegiance right now. If I was a betting man I'd say given two nights they'd probably be in contention (with most everyone else dead) and one of them would be scum.
 
If you flip town Plop, my first read would probably be Hyper then FEP (I don't trust that anyone protects others without interest), flip this order in the other direction otherwise. Matt Attack is interesting. In theory I should be putting him after Hyper in scrutiny if Plop flips town yet he hasn't done much to push a lynch or save Plop despite scum reading him. Very grayscale.

It's weird because I think Hyper's case is quite convincing, but the doctor claim makes me hesitant to lynch him immediately. Hence my interest in finding the other scum.
 
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