sixteen-bit
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2017 already off to a rough start 
Hopefully Nier 2 and Sonic Mania still deliver.
Hopefully Nier 2 and Sonic Mania still deliver.
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Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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People can blame Spencer all they want for this, but I think people just need to realize that this is just state of the Xbox brand right now.
as far as IP and future properties go it does look a bit bleak. But look at the situation. They aren't the market leader anymore and they aren't even leading in their key territory of NA. They clearly don't have unrelated access to the war chest anymore. They have no leverage when it comes to 3rd party deals or 3rd party exclusives.
Until they show otherwise expect MS to double down on their key franchises. I doubt they'll be taking risks.
as far as IP and future properties go it does look a bit bleak. But look at the situation. They aren't the market leader anymore and they aren't even leading in their key territory of NA. They clearly don't have unrelated access to the war chest anymore. They have no leverage when it comes to 3rd party deals or 3rd party exclusives.
Until they show otherwise expect MS to double down on their key franchises. I doubt they'll be taking risks.
moltonasty
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you'll take your yearly gears halo and forza rotation and like it goddamnit
SomewhatGroovy
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This thread man.
One doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the other unless you can cite evidence proving otherwise.
The fear mongering and shit posting in this thread hurts my head.
Kamiya is taking time off due to mental issues and everyone's most thought provoking response is "thanks Spencer" or "rip Microsoft lol"
tiredheadcrab
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This is the most attention Scalebound has ever received since the history of forever.
What makes you say that?
ROUGE_BLOCK
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Can MS make at least one new successful and well developed new IP this generation? The only one I really enjoyed was Sunset Overdrive but that is owned by Insomniac, everything else like Ryse or Quantum Break are meh to okay and we have been waiting for this project for years.
Should we be cautious about sea of thieves as well?
Should we be cautious about sea of thieves as well?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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ASilentProtagonist
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Hopefully Jeff grills Phil at E3 2017 about this like he's done before
TimeEffect
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Halo is a shadow of itself, and this is due to the insane competition in FPS games and the crazy change in what people want from shooters--- hero shooters are the big thing, and Halo isn't it. Every single kind of shooter is represented and Halo seems to have a fanbase consisting of huge fans who were teenagers when Halo 2 released.
Kids aren't playing Halo and there's no base for this IP without the diehard fans who are surely in their late 20s or 30s. Gears seems like It just doesn't have the traction for MP, probably because its a TPS.
Forza Horizon is great though.
Is there any reason MS has never focused on single player games? Sony seems to be KILLING that area and it seems super important
In fact, Im surprised how much of a flip it has been from last gen when Sony was clamouring for a big MP exclusive. Now it seems Sony is THE console for single player games, whereas MP is being dominated by third parties.
Kids aren't playing Halo and there's no base for this IP without the diehard fans who are surely in their late 20s or 30s. Gears seems like It just doesn't have the traction for MP, probably because its a TPS.
Forza Horizon is great though.
Is there any reason MS has never focused on single player games? Sony seems to be KILLING that area and it seems super important
In fact, Im surprised how much of a flip it has been from last gen when Sony was clamouring for a big MP exclusive. Now it seems Sony is THE console for single player games, whereas MP is being dominated by third parties.
Or more reasonable just downgrade him one tier from savior status to hero of the working man.
Ah, here's what I was looking for
July 2015: "Those shits at MS...are they fucking with me?"
So, let's set a timeline HEAVY with speculation. Game was announced at E3 2014 without much notice. It skipped E3 2015, but showed up at Gamescom that year in August with an announcement of four-player co-op, which was shown off with a much rougher game in E3 2016's conference. The game was then cancelled soon after.
My guess is that, in July, Kamiya was told he had to rejigger the game into a four-player co-op thing. There were never any hints he wanted to make the game a Monster Hunter-like, but I am guessing people in charge of money were expecting him to do so. It gets announced, shown off, and the response is tepid. Changing tides at Microsoft, a desire to free up the UE4 team they put together to work with Kamiya, and being unhappy with the state of the game lead to it being cancelled.
If my guess is correct, that's really sad.
Is there any way they could've saved the project by letting Platinum design it for 1 player again instead of 4 co-op?
I wonder.
that's not how game development works
you can't just "release" something mid development lol
Many of the games announced at E3 get cancelled or just go away. Its pretty common.
GuitarAtomik
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I was in it to. Different strokes I guess. Was playing a session or two about every day for about a month right up until they cancelled it.
Mass_Pincup
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And yet some people said that MS were keeping their stuff close to their chests.
More like they don't have shit to show us.
Not most games announced in a single conference.
Or if that's the case I would appreciate if you could provide some exemple of it.
I'm sure it doesn't satisfy gamers on a gaming forum, but that's not the purpose of the PR statement.
Thornton Reed
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Oh man what a shame. I was in game in Liverpool today buying doom and on the tv they were showing scalebound and it looked brilliant.
Maybe this could be a result of platinum seeming to be developing so many games simultaneously
Maybe this could be a result of platinum seeming to be developing so many games simultaneously
Crossing Eden
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Dude it wasn't a funny joke. Like goddamn. ಠ_ಠ
IDontBeatGames
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yikes
NormalFish
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Reports kamiya is unwell and folks spend all their energy shitting on the game he made. Classic.
I'm sure it was so alright that the amazing pre-order numbers made MS go "nah, those numbers are TOO good, let's scrap the DRM".
SomedayTheFire
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It wasn't incredibly anticipated and it's best to divert attention to other titles.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Don't kid yourself. There won't be quite a few "exclusives" for Scorpio in the first year. Not even close. Unless Microsoft spends the entire year rereleasing existing titles and calling them "exclusives".
Hopefully Jeff grills Phil at E3 2017 about this like he's done before
Damn it Jeff, you gave them the strategy to cancel games instead of just ship them broken
Yikes...
The Antitype
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I loved the concept, and even enjoyed the cheeseball main character, but every gameplay demo looked like sloppy trash.
Ah well.
Ah well.
TMNT wasn't announced at the time.
facetheslayer92
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Whoa, sorry to hear that.
Domcorleone
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I'm glad I abandoned the sinking ship that is Xbox. Loved the 360 and owned the Xbox One (twice in fact) then realized I could just play any exclusive MS had left on PC and said F it. It's a shame really. What is Spencer doing over at MS?
What games do they even have left to release?
What games do they even have left to release?
I don't think Kamiya is the easiest guy to work with. He's a rebel to the point of parody. He's made his thoughts about "the suits" and focus-tested game design clear numerous times.
If even a quarter of the things we hear about Microsoft's style are true, then I imagine their relationship was terrible. Hope Kamiya bounces back with all the fire he normally has, and hope that neither company is hit too hard.
If even a quarter of the things we hear about Microsoft's style are true, then I imagine their relationship was terrible. Hope Kamiya bounces back with all the fire he normally has, and hope that neither company is hit too hard.
Colonel Nasty
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They were given 3 years developement and weren't likely to hit this year and MS is to blame? I love Bayonetta as much as the next guy but I fail to see how this is on MS other than maybe showing the game too early.
NinjaCoachZ
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Ah, here's what I was looking for
July 2015: "Those shits at MS...are they fucking with me?"
So, let's set a timeline HEAVY with speculation. Game was announced at E3 2014 without much notice. It skipped E3 2015, but showed up at Gamescom that year in August with an announcement of four-player co-op, which was shown off with a much rougher game in E3 2016's conference. The game was then cancelled soon after.
My guess is that, in July, Kamiya was told he had to rejigger the game into a four-player co-op thing. There were never any hints he wanted to make the game a Monster Hunter-like, but I am guessing people in charge of money were expecting him to do so. It gets announced, shown off, and the response is tepid. Changing tides at Microsoft, a desire to free up the UE4 team they put together to work with Kamiya, and being unhappy with the state of the game lead to it being cancelled.
If my guess is correct, that's really sad.
I may be misremembering or mashing unrelated/unconfirmed things together, but I think I remember something along the lines of MS wanting to present Scalebound by having him go all the way to Gamescom just to say a few lines and introduce a video for the game, when he wanted to present actual, live gameplay, as played by himself. (The latter being what happened.)
I seem to remember him being upset at the idea of being on-stage as an MS prop.
I do know that he commented on Scalebound being the only game he worked on where he didn't choose the title. MS chose it. And he was also annoyed at the promo art for the game at E3 2014, which was also their decision. Beyond that we don't officially know how much MS got involved in the game creatively, but it sounds like they didn't have complete freedom at all times.
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