Or the game was really that bad.
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Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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Or the game was really that bad.
tiredheadcrab
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If Xbox is to leave the console industry, I would probably drop console gaming all together and switch to PC. Maybe I would own Nintendo Switch for exclusives but thats pretty much it. If Sony were to leave, I would do the same damn thing as well. I would hate to see how unbalanced this would all be if it was left up to Nintendo vs Sony/MS. Nintendo barely competes as it is. All of the big 3 companies have had big egos before and it lead to some terrible products and without the competition, we wouldnt have gotten the better product.
If the division is spun off into its own or sold that might be okay, but it would depend on what was happening in said company.
However I think its waaaaay too early to be talking about this. MS still has Scorpio to release by the end of the year and whatever else they havent announced yet.
If the division is spun off into its own or sold that might be okay, but it would depend on what was happening in said company.
However I think its waaaaay too early to be talking about this. MS still has Scorpio to release by the end of the year and whatever else they havent announced yet.
Which probably came on budget and on time. You can't help if a game sucks.
Sure didn't stop them shipping the broken ass MCC
or the unfinished Recore
or most of their windows store games
MatrixMan.EXE
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Revisionist history. The reveal thread was full of people who were hyped to fuck. A big budget current gen game headed by Kamiya? Sure, the art direction and main character design had a mixed reception, but people were still hyped.
We saw gameplay footage and while it did look rough, the hype was still there. I'd argue there are more people here suddenly saying "well, it looked shit anyway" than there are people who claimed to have not cared and are changing their tune now that the game is no more.
That should tell you how much of a mess the game was then.
Papacheeks
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Then why are they not doing so great? Why are people not buying Gears 4, Halo like they use to on 360?
Diversity in early 360 and og xbox is what helped them. Having a combination of playing solo, local co-op or online is what made them popular. A lot of people had 360's but didnt even have them tied to the internet. They played local split screen. Same goes for early halo games that later focused more on multipler as time went on.
Making your console lean towards multiplayer experiences actually limits the types of players you can have player base wise. That tonal shift they had from early 360 to later is what has fucked them. They only want their curated library to be multiplayer based with service type updates to them to keep people in their games. Which is something you can't force it has to happen organically especially if it's built from the ground up to be that way.
bobbie424242
Banned
Hawt towpeak. I give it less than 24h for people to return to their normal lives and not give a damn.
Papacheeks
Banned
Was it worth it to shit post?
Do you realize how silly this sounds?
It's completely circular logic. You are assuming the conclusion based on blind faith in the decision making of Microsoft.
You know, the ones that actually planned and executed the reveal of the Xbox One?
Didn't you post that almost a day ago already?
Let him dream.
onemanasylum
Banned
Isn't this shit bannable? Total troll post.
We are talking about a company that flatout cancelled games for the sole reason that said games didn't fit in their business plan.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
The schadenfreude is real in this thread.
Can't you at least feel empathy towards the team that dedicated years of their lives to this game?
The thing that utterly baffles me regarding this phenomenon is the realization that people were actually dismissing the game completely after the E3 showing. I knew the response to the demo itself was tepid, but I didn't think for a second that people were questioning the actual quality of the elements on display. I thought it was just a bad demo, but it hardly looked "rough" or "bad" at all, with possible exception of the multiplayer boss battle, which could easily be explained by its obviously tacked-on nature and seemed like it would have turned out fine with polish.
In fact, that was just my general stance towards the game at the time. Demo looked bad, but it'll be a fine Platinum game with some polish. At no point did I even consider that there was bad buzz or the game would be outright cancelled. I'm in complete shock. Outside the game demoing badly, I largely thought it looked great and would eventually turn out fine.
I don't own an X1, but I was super looking forward to this game due to its pedigree and just how different it was.
This whole thing is so weird. X1 is pretty much dead to me now.
In fact, that was just my general stance towards the game at the time. Demo looked bad, but it'll be a fine Platinum game with some polish. At no point did I even consider that there was bad buzz or the game would be outright cancelled. I'm in complete shock. Outside the game demoing badly, I largely thought it looked great and would eventually turn out fine.
I don't own an X1, but I was super looking forward to this game due to its pedigree and just how different it was.
This whole thing is so weird. X1 is pretty much dead to me now.
Why else would you cancel a game this far into production?
almostjuliuscaesar
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bobbie424242
Banned
It's actually mind blowing that someone remembers. That's achievement worthy!
Here is the first page of the 2016 official showing
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1232689
I liked the idea of a bayonetta game with a giant monster friend with possible loot and 4 person coop. I don't find the monster hunter-ness particularly exciting
That was just not compelling at all, main character didn't look in danger at any point and the combat looks pretty boring
so they can use the money they'd use for the rest of scalebound's development + marketing
and put it into gears/halo/forza
Papacheeks
Banned
Account suicide must be fun I gather? Thanks for contributing to the discussion, such thoughtful posts.
onemanasylum
Banned
Wow man it's been talked about over and over, see Phantom dust? If you worked in the real world, you would know it is not always as simple as "The game sucked". Management middling, mis-management, not listening to the people working on the project, office politics often can ruin large projects, you are not really this Naive and think it is this cut and dry are you?
SomewhatGroovy
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Do you not understand the false equivalency citing a budget game like Lococycle vs a Scalebound?
And yet it was the most anticipated XB1 exclusive on here a week ago.
2016 showing was bad, obviously. But that doesn't mean people instantly lose faith in a project.
onemanasylum
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I like to cherry pick sometimes too...it was the #1 rated x1 exclusive people were looking forward to here.
I'm baffled by the people who thought this game looked bad. I thought it looked like one of the more interesting MS offerings and seemed to get a lot of good press (I was kinda shocked they cancelled it but not the first project I'm shocked they cancelled).
Doesn't affect me as I don't have an xbox but it was one of the few games that made me think maybe when I could find one cheap it would be worth it.
I don't think no one cared about this game. But there were some who thought it looked bad (but you can't say just cause you see some posts of people saying that no one cared. I certainly saw posts that were excited about it).
Yeah fuck this post. there's plenty of people in there excited for scalebound.
E3 showings are rarely representative of a game's final quality. It was still worth getting excited about as the first new Kamiya game since 2009, a dude with a track record consisting of only some of the most treasured games.
FinaruDensetsu
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All this talk of Burger King. Well I know what I'm getting for lunch now.
gundamkyoukai
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All these companies have competition from other places even if one of them was to drop out .
Lets say two of them drop out and that leaves only one .
They would still have to worry about other things some more than others .
Like mobile , PC , streaming etc etc .
This shit never fails to get a chuckle out of me. Usually it's the same buffoons who bring it up time after time again. At this point, I feel like it's the only thing they feel they have left(?) Sad.
On topic: I still can't believe they cancelled this shit. Would really like some actual investigative journalism on what went down behind the scenes. Platinum best not be in jeopardy cause of this shit.
Papacheeks
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Yea there was gameplay from 2015 Gamescom that I thought looked great, he want to create a narrative.
FinaruDensetsu
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Yeah I really don't get it. When Scalebound was revealed it was by far, and I mean by far, the biggest surprise and hypest announcement. People here on GAF were going nuts that MS had gotten a Platinum exclusive, AND from the A team with Kamiya at the head!
Please one of you people who keep claiming no one cared, please tell me one game at that stage presentation that even came near Scalebound as far as hype?
Relaxed Muscle
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Because the whole Xbox division is on scrutiny and they are changing their software philosophy to "games as services", so a SP focused quirky japanese games dosn't fit that new portfolio.
So instead of puring more money onto it, use that money to create software that the higher ups want is something that can cancel a game.
Just an example.
I'll agree with that. Missing budgets and release dates will do you in. Unless, you're James Cameron.
gundamkyoukai
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yep FFXV E3 showing was not good also ( and a few others times they show it off )
But the game turn out okay and seem to be doing find sale wise.
bananafactory
Banned
That was a really bad showing. People were excited about it at one point.
As the owner of a publisher (board games, but still), its amazing how much behind the scenes stuff can go wrong. Usually the smaller party (designer) is the one that crows the loudest to sources. It behooves MS in absolutely no way to shit talk a designer, but the designer needs to get it out there that it was not their fault so that future partners are not scared off.
We'll never know what exactly happened here and where blame lies. I've had designers publicly announce changes to a game weeks before it went to release, and then publicly blame me for the games failings in forums. I read it, I know the story is far more complicated, and I said absolutely nothing. Because it benefits me in no way at all to get into the weeds.
But Platinum sounds a lot like Chip Kelly after he got fired.:
http://deadspin.com/chip-kelly-is-playing-the-game-1790708785
In the case of this product, my guess is the budget creep was not going to align with sales expectations. It was a red meat announcement at a time that MS needed to win back the core gamers trust. It didn't work beyond some hooting and hollering at E3, it was clear based on sales of other red meat titles (ReCore) that this strategy was a money losing gambit that was not getting them the gamers they wanted to grab. Likely bc Sony was engaged in the same activity (TLG, FF7 remake, etc) and staved off any possible momentum MS might have had with that demo. So, when you are a pet project with limited financial upside on the sales end, missing deadlines and budget milestones is going to be an easy call from the publishers perspective.
This likely also does not bode well for Crackdown, but I hope I'm wrong.
Permanently A
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The Master Chief Collection far surpassed Scalebound's hype.
OmegaSmash
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People were pretty cold towards TW101 before the Direct and the hype trailer, just FYI.
^This. I got an original Xbox and Xbox 360 because each system had great singleplayer content. I am generally not a multiplayer gamer. As a result, I am still looking for a reason to grab an Xbox One and I thought Scalebound would be it.
I mean, The Wonderful 101 also saw a huge influx of "is THIS what Kamiya has been working on?" posts and that game ended up stomping everyone and becoming some pretty fucking wicked sick stuff. Once people get over the shock of what Kamiya working on being something most people weren't expecting I think they quickly warm up to the idea that it's gonna be something crazy and unique.
The Scalebound project was by far the hypest project MS had in their damn portfolio this generation. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is on crack and likes to distort facts. This was The big one almost everyone was looking forward to. Sure, they had a lackluster E3 showing but nothing that indicated getting the project cancelled for.
ShockingAlberto
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That said, Spencer's statement that Scalebound's cancellation is better for gamers is some real shit.
The sales of Bayo 2 + W101 along with Wii U's overall reception probably had something to do with this decision.
I think MS realized that making the internet denizens happy didn't mean actual long-term success. There just aren't enough of us relative to people who might play Forza or a Halo game.
Again though, they're not going to do that unless they actually think that the profit they'd make from the game is actively lower than what it would cost to get it out. Not total, that's a sunk cost either way, but the cost from the time of the decision to cancel. That's a low bar presumably considering when it was scheduled to release, which almost surely points to the development being VERY troubled and nowhere near as finished as you'd believe a game slated to ship within 6 months would be.
If the game isn't good and they're throwing money at it that could be thrown at a game that turns out good, cancelling it is better for gamers. Seems really simple.
BumblebeeCody
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I've crying all day. Had to leave work early because I couldn't concentrate.
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