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[fantomena]

That's Forza 6. You can kinda already play that on your PC.

Oh, I thought it was Forza 7. I didn't like Apex very much though. Might try it again to see how it is.

 

[Broadbandito]

Lovely pic, hopefully it comes to PC. My GTX 1080 and 5820k 4 GHz is gonna make 4k60fps a piece of cake.

I mean it technically (not the full game) already has and is free

 

[Hoo-doo]

How in the hell are people expecting this to retail at 499? It's pretty much exactly aligning with the predictions made beforehand.

They are hitting 399, don't be silly. There's a reason Jaguar/Polaris is in there.

 

[Pjsprojects]

ok without the fanboyism in this thread because believe me its there, how much more powerful is the scorpio compared to the OG ps4, and then the PS4 Pro. I read the specs and literally it means nothing to me, thanks

Sounds like one and half PS4 Pro consoles duck taped together to me.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

Should be 399 right guys?
Its not that more powerful then PRO and release a whole year later.
And PRO will probably be 350 when this comes out.

It's certainly a lot more powerful than a PRO, but I still think it should not be more than 399.

If MS wants to gain ground on Sony they need a competitive price point, and 499 is not that.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Don't concern yourself with that too much.

Okay - noted. i was just curious since it seemed like a big thing in the article. heh

now your final thoughts on it, since the specs are out? What is impressing you the most and what is something you wish was pushed a bit more?

 

[GinoFelino]

I'm surprised that there is good amount of "meh" in this thread. This console is had the best spec to date and as gamers, this should be exciting news.

The meh isn't because of hardware. It's due to Xbox's recent software output.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

what i got out of the video:

OPTIMIZATION was central.

a lot of custom upgrades to make current games smooth to 4k. does what a mid gen system should do.

i think it looks good, hopefully the pricing is competitive.

 

[geordiemp]

Yep. The 43% compute advantage is not even taking into account the RAM and Bandwidth improvements, which are pretty massive. Not sure if it was even including the CPU advantage. This could have easily been considered the PS4 Pro of the PS4 Pro.

Except they are both held back by the Jaguar,.

That 10 % advantage 2.1 vs 2.3....is the millstone around the neck and 30 FPS gaming for open world will stay on console for another year or 2.

10 % is not exciting when you need allot more to get to 60 FPS from 30.

I am disappointed, as I was with Ps4 pro as well. Still bought it, but not what I had hoped for.

 

[pieface]

Is the Scorpio more powerful than the PRO? Yes, slightly.
Will the games on Scorpio run and look better than the PRO? Probably not.

Why not?

 

[tapedeck]

I still find it curious that Microsoft decided on massaging the Cat cores for another round. AMD themselves declined to continue down that path for themselves after Jaguar at 28nm. On the surface, this seems like the lowest ROI path for MS. If it's simply a shrunk and upclocked Jag, it'll be a major bottleneck. The "custom" tag thrown on this hints at some architectural tweaks, which certainly wouldn't come cheap. From what I can remember, Jaguar was a fairly well rounded chip, but perhaps they saw some low hanging fruit for a modest tick in IPC. That said, even a simple die shrink of Excavator would likely outperform this "Super Cat". Moving further up the food chain, Zen is already sitting there waiting at 14nm with proven megaton performance.

Did you miss the part where DX12 hardware implementation reduces CPU load by 50%?

That's kind of important.

 

[Aceofspades]

Difference is what PS4 was to xbox one except this time Scorpio is arriving a year later than PRO.

 

[Theorry]

Lovely pic, hopefully it comes to PC. My GTX 1080 and 5820k 4 GHz is gonna make 4k60fps a piece of cake.

It will be 100%

 

[aeolist]

I still find it curious that Microsoft decided on massaging the Cat cores for another round. AMD themselves declined to continue down that path for themselves after Jaguar at 28nm. On the surface, this seems like the lowest ROI path for MS. If it's simply a shrunk and upclocked Jag, it'll be a major bottleneck. The "custom" tag thrown on this hints at some architectural tweaks, which certainly wouldn't come cheap. From what I can remember, Jaguar was a fairly well rounded chip, but perhaps they saw some low hanging fruit for a modest tick in IPC. That said, even a simple die shrink of Excavator would likely outperform this "Super Cat". Moving further up the food chain, Zen is already sitting there waiting at 14nm with proven megaton performance.

i really doubt they did anything to the core architecture, it sounds like they mostly messed with things like the interconnect fabric, cache, layout etc. the CPU itself is most likely the same.

 

[PuppetMaster]

Not trying to bash the game.. But is Forza really a system seller? The racing audience is so small comparatively to any other genre imo.

Yes. This has me really scratching my head too. Forza already looks great. I really do not see any non-xbox owners being on the fence over this. If Forza was what was going to sell them an xbox, they would have one already...

It will get existing xbox one owners who are Forza fans some incentive to upgrade. But this is not a strategy to get new consumers. A lot of this inital marketing seems to be to try to get existing xbox owners, already invested in thier ecosystem, to upgrade. It does very little toward attracting new users.

 

[ironcreed]

We live in a world where the .53 teraflop difference between PS4 and Xbox One was "massive", "objectively better", and "night and day", but the 1.88 teraflop difference between Scorpio and Pro is only slight and will probably result in no discernable difference in graphical quality.

I'm... I'm not surprised.

Indeed, sir. Quite funny how it plays out once the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[One Eyed Willy]

I'm surprised that there is good amount of "meh" in this thread. This console has the best spec to date and very impressive, and as gamers, this should be exciting news.

People are biased towards what they own already and are easily cornered.

 

[Savantcore]

How in the hell are people expecting this to retail at 499? It's pretty much exactly aligning with the predictions made beforehand.

They are hitting 399, don't be silly. There's a reason Jaguar/Polaris is in there.

Yep! Anyone guessing $499 as the final pricing is doing so based on logic. The hardware there could definitely justify that price. Anything lower than that would surely mean a loss on each unit sold, but it would also be extremely competitive. Time will tell which approach they decide to go with.

FIGHT

 

[Marmelade]

We live in a world where the .53 teraflop difference between PS4 and Xbox One was "massive", "objectively better", and "night and day", but the 1.88 teraflop difference between Scorpio and Pro is only slight and will probably result in no discernable difference in graphical quality.

I'm... I'm not surprised.

You really should use relative differences instead of absolute

 

[mephixto]

So the Jaguar running slower on the Scorpio compared to the pro? What does the custom Jaguar core even mean? The difference between the PS4 pro and Scorpio is smaller than I thought. Will it show in games? probably, but I don't think it was worth waiting a whole year after Sony.

Most games are GPU heavy, slight variation on CPU or RAM speed gives minimal fps gains.

 

[Dipswitch]

After watching all of the Digital Foundry video's, I'm guessing this is gonna be a $399 machine. They're not just chucking the latest and greatest components in to brute force their way to 6TF/4K - they've made some very smart, custom optimizations to older CPU/GPU tech to achieve that goal.

Add that to the fact they lost market leader status to Sony from the start of the current gen and I think they'd be trying to ice skate uphill with a $400+ price point. Sony has a lot of wiggle room to adjust their pricing structure and a $450/499 Xbox won't compare favorably to a $350 PS4 Pro. Especially if Sony manages to put out a PS4 Pro Slim revamp by the holidays.

I have an Xbox One, which I bought Christmas 2015. At $399, I'll bite for Scorpio. Anything higher, and I'm waiting or potentially grabbing a PS4 Pro to replace the OG PS4 I offloaded last summer. Simple as that.

 

[fastest finger]

For me the Pro was too little and too early. Now it is an after thought and Scorpio is arriving about right on time with the right specs.

For some the Scorpio is too little and too early. It will be an after thought when PS5 arrives about right on time with the right specs.

Pulling out of a 1:1 cycle with PS could either be a masterstroke or a disaster for Xbox.

 

[Space_nut]

Uncompressed picture

4K NATIVE
60 FPS LOCKED
DYNAMIC WEATHER
MAX CARS IN RACE
16X AF
40% GPU POWER LEFT

Great scotts I think I creamed my pants

 

[franklyshankly]

I'm surprised that there is good amount of "meh" in this thread. This console is had the best spec to date and as gamers, this should be exciting news.

I think the specs are great, MS did an excellent job. But personally I already have a PC that is similar to this, so I don't see much to get jazzed up over given that all the exclusives will also be on Win10 (for which I am very thankful MS is doing). I'm sure many others here are in a similar boat.

 

[Steve o 3000]

Crackdown will be glorious on Scorpio!

Oh shit. I forgot about that. E3 can't come soon enough!

 

[Obliterator]

Thread is huge so no idea what the overall impressions here are, but just watched the video and good lord. This thing sounds amazing. Day freaking 1

 

[User123456]

I was kinda excited for this, but unless that Jaguar's "customization" runs a little deeper than just an overclock, I'm probably out.

I'm open to being impressed by some software wizardry that will allow games to run at 60 FPS somehow circumventing the CPU bottleneck, but otherwise the whole 60 FPS thing doesn't seem to be working so well on PS4 Pro even on enhanced games.

 

[marrec]

Lovely pic, hopefully it comes to PC. My GTX 1080 and 5820k 4 GHz is gonna make 4k60fps a piece of cake.

Based on the performance of Forza Horizon 3, you may be a bit disappointed :lol

 

[Sanpei]

So every Xbox One game will run at 4K native ?

Is this a fact or rumor ?

 

[El_Chino]

Difference is what PS4 was to xbox one except this time Scorpio is arriving a year later than PRO.

1.8tf difference is quite different from .5 tf difference....

 

[00ich]

I have a feeling that if this was the PS4 Pro specs announcement, the internet would have erupted into thunderous applause.

But since it's Xbox it's just kinda meh.

The PS4 pro spec announcement was very meh and so is this.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

As expected the PS fans in here with XBOX has no games and PCGAF in here like locusts evangelizing their rigs.

Can't we have anything nice? LOL

 

[JamesHolden]

Well I was talking about the upclock and enhancements all together, but on its own I don't know how significant I would call it. Maybe helpful is the better word.

It does tell us that they thought the CPU was a bottleneck in some places if they added custom hardware to save on CPU work. We won't know the impact on whether this console will be more or less CPU limited than the XB1S, PS4, PS4 pro until we have a wide variety of games tested, especially open world games.

 

[jim2point0]

I don't understand why people expected some great big reveal here?

Most of this stuff was known and expected. It is nice to have some more detail, but going into this, that is all I expected out of this coverage.

I wasn't expecting a massive surprise. But the hype in this thread has me a little confused is all. And any honest reactions are being labeled as "downplaying" or "salt." I don't get it.

Seems like a reasonable set of features for something that's releasing 13 months after the PS4 Pro.

 

[BeforeU]

Thread is huge so no idea what the overall impressions here are, but just watched the video and good lord. This thing sounds amazing. Day freaking 1

It is fucking amazing. Despite some people here downplaying

 

[TheAdmiester]

That's Forza 6. You can kinda already play that on your PC.

I don't think it's Forza 6. FM6's rainy Nurburgring GP was totally overcast whereas that shot has a Horizon 3-esque sky. Looks to me like it might be a glimpse of FM7.

 

[Tecnniqe]

E3 will be a blast for MS. Crackdown will probably be the showpiece.

4K NATIVE
60 FPS LOCKED
DYNAMIC WEATHER
MAX CARS IN RACE
16X AF
40% GPU POWER LEFT

Great scotts I think I creamed my pants

Slightly better than a PS4Switch.

 

[Salty Rice]

I'm surprised that there is good amount of "meh" in this thread. This console has the best spec to date and very impressive, and as gamers, this should be exciting news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9McGKrxOnB8

 

[DwightSchruting]

Just like that, Xbox is king of hardware again.

 

[DagnastyEp]

Wow, Some great coverage. Read all the articles, and just finished watch all the videos (that are available as of now).

Really interesting how they used the PIX tool to profile games, then build the spec around that. The customizations and overall performance sound impressive. I'm really interested in how they moved D3D12 into the GPC - would love to hear some developer takes on this.

The multiple ways they're handing improvements to standard Xbox One and 360 is great. It's clear they've been able to benefit from observations on PS4 Pro, and have been able to implement and adapt changes and ideas for a gamer-benefiting design.

Overall really excited for this. I'll be there day 1.

 

[fantomena]

I wonder of FH3 will be updated for Scorpio. Maxed out 4k60fps looks incredible on PC.

Based on the performance of Forza Horizon 3, you may be a bit disappointed :lol

I never had any problem with Forza after I used that CPU fix that made me disable the first processor.

 

[digitalrelic]

I'm surprised that there is good amount of "meh" in this thread. This console has the best spec to date and very impressive, and as gamers, this should be exciting news.

There's a lot of "meh" for a few reasons:

- It doesn't solves Microsoft's major problem right now, which is content.

- There's no reason to believe that this will do anything to turn around their sales woes.

- They announced that it would be a 6TF machine almost a year ago. Confirming that with detailed specs today is cool, but ultimately unsurprising and unexciting.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Anyone downplaying the GPU difference between the Pro and the Scorpio needs to lay off the Kool-aid. That performance gap is a PS4's worth of processing power difference, it might be about the same percentage as the PS4 and XBO but it's also a gap that's over three times larger.

 

[Outrun]

Yes. This has me really scratching my head too. Forza already looks great. I really do not see any non-xbox owners being on the fence over this. If Forza was what was going to sell them an xbox, they would have one already...

It will get existing xbox one owners who are Forza fans some incentive to upgrade. But this is not a strategy to get new consumers. A lot of this inital marketing seems to be to try to get existing xbox owners, already invested in thier ecosystem, to upgrade. It does very little toward attracting new users.

MS made it clear. It is a premium product for a niche audience.

 

[tearsintherain]

I'll definitely be buying one day zero but end of the day it'll probably just slightly alter my purchases to make more games bought on xbox over PS4, as long as exclusivity doesn't radically change things.

For example, while Destiny 2 will definitely run better on xbox one over PS4 (Pro), I'm still probably going to stick with the Ps4 version because it will have some extra missions and strikes due to console exclusivity marketing. The only way I'd switch to xbox is if they announce cross play - the Scorpio version shares the same backend as PC, as far as at least characters are concerned.

Still, while before something like South Park 2 was a no brainer to play on PS4 (or PC), now maybe xbox scorpio might be the platform. Or whatever equivalent games come out next year. I feel bad for devs though, now they have xbox one, PS4, PS4 Pro, scorpio, and PC all to juggle as platforms not to mention switch if they want.

Still, overall scorpio sounds really nice and I'm happy to change my One S to one, while the only games I really play on it are Forza Horizon 3 and a little bit of BC stuff like RDR and Lost Odyssey, the rich back library, EA Access, Xbox Game Pass, and the elite controller make me happy that its given finally a reason to buy multi plat games on xbox over the previous default, PS4.

 

[Newboi]

The dedicated DX12 hardware seems fishy to me. What extra overhead did the DX12 API have before adding dedicated hardware?

The console seems to be pretty much what I expected in terms of specs, but how Microsoft delivered it is pretty surprising.

I'm very curious about how many titles can actually achieve native 4K at a stable 60fps . 4K30fps I have no problem seeing though.

 

[Madness]

Halo 5 at 4K/60FPS port please...

 

[Darklor01]

I'm surprised that there is good amount of "meh" in this thread. This console has the best spec to date and very impressive, and as gamers, this should be exciting news.

People read the specs and had been hoping for:

In reading the specs, I read cooler, better clocks, more mhz, more RAM and think, yeah, that should be a pretty decent difference, but not the monster people envisioned. it will be an impressive console for sure. People need video proof of games in motion in 4K before they ooh and ahhh. It's a HUGE improvement over the Xbox One S. it's a good improvement over the competition. 1 Year later and at unknown price difference.

 

[blue_phazon]

How in the hell are people expecting this to retail at 499? It's pretty much exactly aligning with the predictions made beforehand.

They are hitting 399, don't be silly. There's a reason Jaguar/Polaris is in there.

The RAM, the cooling mechanisms, all the R&D costs from the custom tech. It'll add up

 

[Raide]

I was kinda excited for this, but unless that Jaguar's "customization" runs a little deeper than just an overclock, I'm probably out.

I'm open to being impressed by some software wizardry that will allow games to run at 60 FPS somehow circumventing the CPU bottleneck, but otherwise the whole 60 FPS thing doesn't seem to be working so well on PS4 Pro even on enhanced games.

The video said as much. Heavily clocked but with some really interesting ways to improve compute abilities.