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Pineapple Pizza Mafia |OT| The War On Fruit Pizza
- Thread starter Sophia
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DAY 4 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
BlackBuzzard (2)
acohrs 3192
LaunchpadMcQ 3360
acohrs (2)
Nomadic Sparks 3199
BlackBuzzard 3201
isaacnukem (1)
Palmer_v1 3328
Nomadic Sparks (1)
hey_monkey 3177
Palmer_v1 (1)
isaacnukem 3271
No active vote for Day 4: Darryl, Dr. Worm, Lifeline, SkyOdin, StanleyPalmtree, timetokill
Day 4 Postcount: acohrs 19, BlackBuzzard 12, Darryl 0, Dr. Worm 27, hey_monkey 41, isaacnukem 31, LaunchpadMcQ 40, Lifeline 4, Nomadic Sparks 16, Palmer_v1 6, SkyOdin 14, StanleyPalmtree 3, timetokill 10
Day 4 ends:
Automated vote tally here
7 votes for majority
BlackBuzzard (2)
acohrs 3192
LaunchpadMcQ 3360
acohrs (2)
Nomadic Sparks 3199
BlackBuzzard 3201
isaacnukem (1)
Palmer_v1 3328
Nomadic Sparks (1)
hey_monkey 3177
Palmer_v1 (1)
isaacnukem 3271
No active vote for Day 4: Darryl, Dr. Worm, Lifeline, SkyOdin, StanleyPalmtree, timetokill
Day 4 Postcount: acohrs 19, BlackBuzzard 12, Darryl 0, Dr. Worm 27, hey_monkey 41, isaacnukem 31, LaunchpadMcQ 40, Lifeline 4, Nomadic Sparks 16, Palmer_v1 6, SkyOdin 14, StanleyPalmtree 3, timetokill 10
Day 4 ends:
Automated vote tally here
7 votes for majority
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
well, fair enough on most of that, though i dont quite get why the achors vote makes me look bad?
hey_monkey
Banned
Lots of people were on acohrs. They couldn't all be scummy.
In fairness to Stan, he abstained from voting Blarg because at the time he was online, his vote would've put the count at 8 (and y'all flipped shit when I put it at that number).
I wouldn't regard that as a towny or scummy move, myself.
Yeah, I'm sure that sounds like a better idea in hindsight.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
hey Palmer, im curious, in the last day phase your activity seemed to take a nosedive, any particular reason for that?
While true, I think it's pretty clear that acohrs being the wagon of choice pit against Swamped means that there was scum on that wagon looking to save their teammate, particularly when you consider the way the margins fell during the last hour; I believe that scum was expecting to lynch an innocent townie and lead us to Day 3 still without a scumflip, and they would've been caught off-guard.
I wouldn't say it's damning, per se, but it was nonetheless a vote not cast for a scum wagon, and we do need to hold people accountable for their votes.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
sure, though keep in mind, acorn could totally still be scum.
So, the scumteam conspired to save a crucial member by... bussing another member?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
i know, genius right?!
Final D2 votecount.
We had four wagons toward the end of D2 - Swamped, acohrs, Palmer_v1, and 30yearsofhurt. I asked for the ranked choices in an attempt to resolve this and narrow it down. BlackBuzzard went to acohrs while I was still polling:
After I asked Palmer_v1 voters to move, LaunchpadMcQ went to 30yearsofhurt:
Then:
Obviously, Natiko's flip is known, and I trust hey_monkey. These votes aren't concerning, though; prior to them, we see Verelios and Blargonaut choosing to move to acohrs, which is what gave him his momentum.
acohrs claims, and we see consolidation of a Swamped vote:
no, wait, Palmer_v1
Aside from LaunchpadMcQ, Burbeting, and Palmer_v1, we see a concerted move to acohrs by the end of the day. Of the trifecta - BlackBuzzard, Blargonaut, Verelios - we know Blargonaut was scum, and Verelios very possibly with him. It's not hard to extend that BlackBuzzard as well.
Now, the full acohrs vote is interesting:
It starts rolling with hey_monkey, followed by SkyOdin, followed by Natiko. So far, three votes - okay for a Day 2. Swamped follows, and now it's rolling. StanleyPalmtree also hops on here, and Blargonaut gets on and off three times throughout. Lifeline shows up here too, and it settles in until the last hour.
I think this is an example of scum hijacking a town wagon and riding it to the day end.
It starts rolling with hey_monkey, followed by SkyOdin, followed by Natiko. So far, three votes - okay for a Day 2. Swamped follows, and now it's rolling. StanleyPalmtree also hops on here, and Blargonaut gets on and off three times throughout. Lifeline shows up here too, and it settles in until the last hour.
I think this is an example of scum hijacking a town wagon and riding it to the day end.
isaacnukem
Member
Nice catch. I'd be down for BlackBuzzard's lynch.
I was at a convention Friday-Sunday.
Aside from that, the day was a foregone conclusion. I hate that town doesn't fucking turbo when their is an extremely clear course of action. Wait long enough to get everyone's initial reactions, then just get it over with so we don't have to listen to idiots like blarg for 72 fucking hours.
So again, I hate to come back to this because I'm making an assumption, but if BB was scum, it means TWO scum (and maybe three!), claimed vanilla so far. Why would they deliberately sabotage each other's claims in that situation? Do we believe that scum is that disorganized, or that brazen?
hey_monkey
Banned
Keep in mind that the huienwe were sensing acohrs, Blarg was gunning for Palmer. I remember because I almost fell for it.
hey_monkey
Banned
Oh shit stuff happened and I did not reload. Ignore monkey.
hey_monkey
Banned
Wow those typos. Monkey has been at parties.
Sure, I could see brazen. People are buying three vanilla claims - why not a fourth?
True, but
Not much to go on there without traction.
The part I'm looking at is where I'm trying to get people to go one way or another, and the way chosen is acohrs.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Covfefe?
This is pretty messy. I've been procrastinating looking over this stuff because I'm scared of what I'll find. Verelios dying without a flip halted our trajectory a lot. Whether it was scum intentionally fucking with us or an altruistic neutral is really hard to tell. Dr. Worm also mentioned the switcheroo, which is possible too.
LaunchpadMcQ.
03. [they] Darryl - EST
04. [m] Lifeline - EST
05. [m] SkyOdin - PDT
06. [f] hey_monkey - EST
08. [m] Dr. Worm - EST
09. [m] Palmer_v1 - CST
timetokill
Nomadic Sparks
14. [m] BlackBuzzard - CET
16. [m] acohrs - GMT
20. [m] StanleyPalmtree - GMT+12
01. [m] isaacnukem - New - UTC+8
It's really unfortunate that the bottom 6 players on that list haven't made much of an attempt to impact the game
This leaves me with
TOWN
04. [m] Lifeline - EST
06. [f] hey_monkey - EST
05. [m] SkyOdin - PDT
08. [m] Dr. Worm - EST
the four most likely to be town. i really wish this list was bigger by now. lifeline is confirmed. dr. worm has been highly active voice of reason, if he's not town he's playing an ace game. and hey_monkey, who has to have a 95% chance of being town because of the cop/miller fiasco. sky_odin i'm the least comfortable with, but crunching the numbers tells me we're unlikely to have both a miller and a godfather with just the one cop. so, his green check gets him a solid pass to me
NULL/SCUM
LaunchpadMcQ.
09. [m] Palmer_v1 - CST
timetokill
Nomadic Sparks
14. [m] BlackBuzzard - CET
16. [m] acohrs - GMT
20. [m] StanleyPalmtree - GMT+12
01. [m] isaacnukem - New - UTC+8
launchpad started really disappointing me past the swamped observation. not only did launchpad bail on his swamped observation at a key moment in the swamped train, but his posts have felt very lifeless. his train of thinking is following "forced townie" positions, delivering us classic lines like "DO NOT COUNTER CLAIM COP". launchpad as scum absolutely follows ABB, Always Be Bussing, so his brief fixation on swamped is reasonable and actually a likely play for scum launch
palmer i haven't felt anything for, either. i can't figure out why palmer isn't trying harder.
then 6 people who've fluctuated periods of extreme idleness, non-opinion and crowd-following
LaunchpadMcQ.
03. [they] Darryl - EST
04. [m] Lifeline - EST
05. [m] SkyOdin - PDT
06. [f] hey_monkey - EST
08. [m] Dr. Worm - EST
09. [m] Palmer_v1 - CST
timetokill
Nomadic Sparks
14. [m] BlackBuzzard - CET
16. [m] acohrs - GMT
20. [m] StanleyPalmtree - GMT+12
01. [m] isaacnukem - New - UTC+8
It's really unfortunate that the bottom 6 players on that list haven't made much of an attempt to impact the game
This leaves me with
TOWN
04. [m] Lifeline - EST
06. [f] hey_monkey - EST
05. [m] SkyOdin - PDT
08. [m] Dr. Worm - EST
the four most likely to be town. i really wish this list was bigger by now. lifeline is confirmed. dr. worm has been highly active voice of reason, if he's not town he's playing an ace game. and hey_monkey, who has to have a 95% chance of being town because of the cop/miller fiasco. sky_odin i'm the least comfortable with, but crunching the numbers tells me we're unlikely to have both a miller and a godfather with just the one cop. so, his green check gets him a solid pass to me
NULL/SCUM
LaunchpadMcQ.
09. [m] Palmer_v1 - CST
timetokill
Nomadic Sparks
14. [m] BlackBuzzard - CET
16. [m] acohrs - GMT
20. [m] StanleyPalmtree - GMT+12
01. [m] isaacnukem - New - UTC+8
launchpad started really disappointing me past the swamped observation. not only did launchpad bail on his swamped observation at a key moment in the swamped train, but his posts have felt very lifeless. his train of thinking is following "forced townie" positions, delivering us classic lines like "DO NOT COUNTER CLAIM COP". launchpad as scum absolutely follows ABB, Always Be Bussing, so his brief fixation on swamped is reasonable and actually a likely play for scum launch
palmer i haven't felt anything for, either. i can't figure out why palmer isn't trying harder.
then 6 people who've fluctuated periods of extreme idleness, non-opinion and crowd-following
I see where you are coming from, Dr. Worm. I do think it has merit. I think the third and fourth votes of a bandwagon are the key tipping points to switch from some regular pressure votes to an actual bandwagon, and they are the most likely place to find scum hiding behind town speculation.
Beyond the vote stuff, I do feel like BB's contributions have been sporadic and of mixed quality.
By the time Swamped claimed vanilla, vanilla claims had already been normalized to an extent. With each vanilla claim, town was less skeptical. It BB is scum, it may either have been a lucky break or a concentrated effort to shore up each other's claims after BB had to claim something at the last minute.
Beyond the vote stuff, I do feel like BB's contributions have been sporadic and of mixed quality.
Well, you claimed vanilla first, followed by Dragonz when she was the target of a lot of votes. It wasn't long afterwards, but BB did have the luxury of building credibility by piggybacking off of those earlier claims. In the end, Dragonz was the one who took more of the focus of town as a result, in part due to Swamped's actions.
By the time Swamped claimed vanilla, vanilla claims had already been normalized to an extent. With each vanilla claim, town was less skeptical. It BB is scum, it may either have been a lucky break or a concentrated effort to shore up each other's claims after BB had to claim something at the last minute.
I'm kind of OK with BB for informational purposes anyway.
He helps narrow down acohrs claim(and mine for the rest of you). He helps settle wtf was going on D1 as well. If he's not scum, then 30/TTK has to be it(or me, if you actually think i'm scum).
lol
timetokill
Banned
To you, you mean? You were in a real hurry to get the lynch going and shorten our day phase.
Blarg was the #1 target heading into yesterday, and honestly I'm looking at that bandwagon and seeing a lot of potential scum on it. Especially ones that were trying to end the day early.
Seriously, darryl, what else can i do?
I posted my theory on 30/ttk, and sawneeks/verelios, and have pursued that the entire game while everyone has mostly ignored it. I've poured through the votes several times, I have yet to lynch an innocent, or even push for the lynching of one(afaik). I respond to everything that's going on, and not with wishy washy half-measures. Pretty sure I have one of the highest post counts, and I'm not one to post fluff garbage.
Like half the game hates me but I still nearly led a bandwagon onto 30 D2, with like an hour left to go, but you think I'm not trying? Just don't get it.
Actually though, I'm not sure I ever checked who was willing to jump onto that 30 bandwagon.
30yearsofhurt (1)
-Palmer_v1 1558 1667
-Burbeting 1849 2110
-Palmer_v1 1875 2108
-hey_monkey 1886 1944
-Natiko 1943 2094
-LaunchpadMcQ 2064 2109
-Nomadic Sparks 2112
Okay, so on 30/ttk, we have Burb and Natiko who are confirmed town. Monkey is quite likely town as well. Then we have me, for whatever that is worth to each of you. Finally, Launchpad and nomadic sparks. I was hoping I could come to a solid conclusion with this, but they're both erratic enough that i'm not super confident about town reading them. If I did, i'd be even more suspicious of 30. If Launch is scum having second thoughts on bussing swamped, would he hop onto another scum? 30/ttk could just be a neutral in over his head though, and not actual scum, though.
-Palmer_v1 1558 1667
-Burbeting 1849 2110
-Palmer_v1 1875 2108
-hey_monkey 1886 1944
-Natiko 1943 2094
-LaunchpadMcQ 2064 2109
-Nomadic Sparks 2112
Okay, so on 30/ttk, we have Burb and Natiko who are confirmed town. Monkey is quite likely town as well. Then we have me, for whatever that is worth to each of you. Finally, Launchpad and nomadic sparks. I was hoping I could come to a solid conclusion with this, but they're both erratic enough that i'm not super confident about town reading them. If I did, i'd be even more suspicious of 30. If Launch is scum having second thoughts on bussing swamped, would he hop onto another scum? 30/ttk could just be a neutral in over his head though, and not actual scum, though.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
You are down for a lot of lynches aren't you don't worry thinking for yourself is overrated.
Uhuh im glad you admit it yourself.
i mean i used the phrase 'i haven't felt anything for' because you've been following a lot of trains of thought that i haven't been meshing with and they've just washed off on me, so when i look at my intuition and don't look at the numbers i don't have HEART that tells me you're town.
D1 Swamped wanted to protect you. D2 i felt you were being obstructionist and were resisting the swamped lynch so i wanted to lynch you, and D3 barely counted, so now we're here at D4 and 3 days of you having a chance to appear town and nothing has really happened.
the greatest comfort is the unlikeliness of you being on the same team as swamped with the normie claim. you were also soul synced to burb and he turned out town
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Meanwhile you got Acohrs who was very cagey about his flavor text on D3 but nah he cant be scum Swamped voted for him because i mean scum never votes on their own team mates to get town points nope never.
Nobody finds it funny that when we asked for flavor during the end of day 2 when he did his claim the response was you will have to wait till end of the day. What is the reason for a vanilla to be cagey about his flavor is it because he is actually scum?
Nobody finds it funny that when we asked for flavor during the end of day 2 when he did his claim the response was you will have to wait till end of the day. What is the reason for a vanilla to be cagey about his flavor is it because he is actually scum?
isaacnukem
Member
Right...that's why I seem to be the only one harping on Palmer_v1 and I was the first to suggest hey_monkey and SkyOdin are probably scum, but hey, I'm just following people.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Oh you mean Skyodin the guy that claimed BP that will give scum 2 free kills if we do risk lynching him the fact you wanna continue lynching him is not weird at all.
isaacnukem
Member
I just want to make sure...
hey_monkey
Banned
But Sky is seriously a low suspect right now. What reason beyond his claim does anyone have? Answer that and tell me why scum would claim that in that moment.
hey_monkey
Banned
Absent claims, who do you vote today? If no one had claimed. Who's legit suspicious?
Don't like how blackbuzzard deflects by stating cases for lynching others rather than reasons why they themself shouldn't be lynched and why their survival benefits town. At best anti town behaviour, at worst scum trying to stay alive.
Liked Dr. Worms reads and lists today, didn't like Darryls. Made me leanscum more on them, felt like faux town outrage
Liked Dr. Worms reads and lists today, didn't like Darryls. Made me leanscum more on them, felt like faux town outrage
isaacnukem
Member
I just hope it doesn't come back to haunt town in the end. I guess it's more seemingly unlikely now that you cooked Blargonaut's goose on a scum gambit, so I'll just believe you're town.
SkyOdin if he's the godfather presents a lot of problems because he, even right now, isn't on the radar of most players because of his claim and your cop check.
isaacnukem
Member
Palmer_v1.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I realized something overnight. We need to test the vanilla claims. Something will happen that shakes things up in the next few phases, and the sooner we weed out the vanilla claims, the better off town will be. Trust me on this.
Based on that list, BB is the one that stands out the most, since several of them are dead...
I think it's totally possible, and not only that, probable. If we know nothing of the situation, two scum claim vanilla, and we lynch one of them, then it becomes likelier that we believe the remaining scum who claimed vanilla is actually vanilla.
I'm sorry I disappointed you, Darryl. I was not on Swamped for a brief time, though; I was on her for most of D2, and I was still convinced enough that I eventually voted for her. That people raised arguments that made sense to me, and that I was slightly panicked by them and the day ending should tell you I don't want to make a mistake in this game. I've tried to be as active as possible and propose new avenues of investigation. If that's enough for you, then I'm sorry my playstyle isn't to your liking, but I've mostly always played a variation on this.
Based on that list, BB is the one that stands out the most, since several of them are dead...
I think it's totally possible, and not only that, probable. If we know nothing of the situation, two scum claim vanilla, and we lynch one of them, then it becomes likelier that we believe the remaining scum who claimed vanilla is actually vanilla.
I'm sorry I disappointed you, Darryl. I was not on Swamped for a brief time, though; I was on her for most of D2, and I was still convinced enough that I eventually voted for her. That people raised arguments that made sense to me, and that I was slightly panicked by them and the day ending should tell you I don't want to make a mistake in this game. I've tried to be as active as possible and propose new avenues of investigation. If that's enough for you, then I'm sorry my playstyle isn't to your liking, but I've mostly always played a variation on this.
hey_monkey
Banned
I honestly don't care who we lynch today if it'll get y'all more invested in this game.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I've just been waiting here since my last post for someone to say something...
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Can we get a vote count post pls?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Nevermind, the top of the page plus Dr. Worm on BB..
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Ok, I'm ready to turbo BB at this point if no one is going to talk. Dr. Worm's reasoning on this page, coupled with Swamped's vote shenanigans, his overall behavior, and the fact that we really need to start whittling down the vanilla claims, I think BB is a good candidate.
hey_monkey
Banned
I'm not feeling it particularly but I've beaten that horse unto death. I'll go with it if that's the general tide. Question is: what do we do if he flips honestly vanilla?
Maybe we can talk about this and get some folks jazzed:
Launch, are you neutral? I'd guess the pizza contest dude would be a little ambivalent about toppings.
Maybe we can talk about this and get some folks jazzed:
Launch, are you neutral? I'd guess the pizza contest dude would be a little ambivalent about toppings.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
firstly, i would like to ask you all why i feel like mafiaing at 3am, because i sure as hell dont know.
secondly
eh, why not, got shit all else to add.
i am That Person Who Doesn't Like Pizza
shockingly that isnt a neutral or anything, totes town.
im VANIL- lolno, i do have an actual role.
i wont say much about my role, only that it could become pretty important later.
secondly
eh, why not, got shit all else to add.
i am That Person Who Doesn't Like Pizza
which i would like to make clear is factually untrue
shockingly that isnt a neutral or anything, totes town.
totes
im VANIL- lolno, i do have an actual role.
i wont say much about my role, only that it could become pretty important later.
that probs sounds shady af right? yeah i bet it does lol.
hey_monkey
Banned
You just can't bear to be away from us, Stan.
I can see how that could be a town name. If you don't like pizza, you sure don't care about pineapple on pizza. Interesting role hint, though....
I can see how that could be a town name. If you don't like pizza, you sure don't care about pineapple on pizza. Interesting role hint, though....
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Where to go after BB... acohrs or Palmer, or decide based on the NK. I currently have two pieces of information that tell me one of these people is lying, but I can't share what that is yet. Whatever Nomadic has up his sleeve, I doubt we're going to get anything definitive until day start tomorrow, either, since he keeps disappearing when we ask him to explain something.
I am definitely town. I'm not ambivalent towards toppings. Flavor says something along the lines of love eating pizza, won a contest, and never get fat (to paraphrase).
Also, my reads because I think they could be important in the future:
Top Town
Lifeline
SkyOdin
hey_monkey
Dr. Worm
Unsure/Scum
isaacnukem - 5/10 scum rating
Darryl - 6/10 scum rating
Palmer_v1 - 3/10 scum rating
timetokill - 4/10 scum rating
Nomadic Sparks - 7/10 scum rating (though I am really just bewildered and frustrated with his claim)
BlackBuzzard - 9/10 scum rating
achors - 7/10 scum rating
StanelyPalmtree - 6/10 scum rating
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
(do you guys like spoiler tags? cuz i aparently do)
let it be known that the answer to previous questions may have something to do with alchohol.
not like a ton of it, but probably still too much.
also yeah yous are all fun ppl or whatever.
though in the interest of actual mafiaing, can i get a tldr on BB's hienous crimes?
let it be known that the answer to previous questions may have something to do with alchohol.
not like a ton of it, but probably still too much.
also yeah yous are all fun ppl or whatever.
am i being the tsundere right?
oh wait this isnt anime mafia i bailed out of that game.
though in the interest of actual mafiaing, can i get a tldr on BB's hienous crimes?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
One, Swamped switched her vote from BlackBuzzard to WAMD at D1 end, bringing the final vote tally to 3 for BB and 4 for WAMD; it's apparent she did not see the final vote on Palmer.
Two, BlackBuzzard was among several other voters (Blarg and Verelios) who tried to hijack a lynch on acohrs, according to Dr. Worm's assertions.