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Black Panther - Official Trailer
- Thread starter BrokenFiction
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Huh? What janitor are you talking about,there's no janitor in that picture, there's never been a janitor! That mop worked itself.500 girls went missing in real world africa and the collective world went "Shrug".
In this case the collective racism of the world helps cause people ain't checking on africa like that.
Which comes up in Black Panther( people should read the books all this shit is answered 30330 times over)
Wakanda has a extensive spy ring in the US government. Know what the wakanda spys standard equipment is?
No one checks the black janitor
Because being the world's most technologically advanced country doesn't implicitly mean you have the world's greatest intelligence agency. I'm talking spies for instance.
SHIELD is presented as that world's greatest intelligence agency. I'm just using established MCU information to present a possibility (not a necessity, ergo "It's possible that...") that could justify Wakanda being capable to keeping their secrets. The point being "If you can buy into SHIELD, you can buy into Wakanda remaining hidden".
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MugiwaraCole
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"These questions are totally legit, people are just curious! What's racist about asking questions????"
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Yeah and it makes much less sense the way that people can just randomly stumble upon it lol, at least Wakanda has a front to present to the rest of the world.
I like to see this thread if it was an Eternals movie
MugiwaraCole
Member
You don't need to use established MCU info to present a possibility. There's a possibility gift wrapped to you in the premise itself.
You can buy into Wakanda remaining hidden without ever having to consider SHIELD.
Ugh.
Can't wait for people questioning the logic of Infinity War. How can one blue guy take down all these superheroes?
Ugh, I'm not saying that isn't the case. I'm just trying to say "If you can accept SHIELD (an omniscient intelligence agency), then you can already accept Wakanda being kept a secret, because [example scenario]".
Anyway I think that's enough going in circles.
We seriously just had a superhero movie where the hero hails from a hidden nation. And that one was a nation of nothing but super powered women. I dont remember much of cry about that outside of alt-right circles.
I think its fair to say that people are willing to suspend their disbelief for almost anything. But a nation of super advanced blacks is a bridge too far.
I think its fair to say that people are willing to suspend their disbelief for almost anything. But a nation of super advanced blacks is a bridge too far.
Elegant Weapon
Member
Still hard to grasp how an African country can be so advanced? Can you guys explain it to me again?
The island women of women we're still stuck in the dark ages tech wise.
I wonder what the reception would have been if the amazons we're technologically advanced like in some continuities.
The Broken Ska Record
Member
Or a movie taking place in the Savage Land.
MugiwaraCole
Member
More or less the same. You'd get some pushback, but not as much as with a nation full of black folk.
As is, watching a movie full of superhuman women was cause for outcry from idiots. Which isn't surprising. The same people who don't wanna think of women as stronger than men don't wanna think about niggas having better tech than they do.
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This looks awesome. I love the way it looks visually.
broncobuster
Banned
I think Themyscira was technologically advanced in the movie, just not conventionally due to their isolation from other cultures and such.
Wakanda may be hidden, but they arent isolated from the outside world. So they can learn from the rest of the world, with greater resources and their own research to push past them.
fwiw I get why some people have hang ups. But Im sure itll all be adequately explained in the movie. In fact the story in part seems to be about Wakandas status in the world.
BKatastrophe
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Shit...
"How are there gods amongst humans? How is there a cosmic giant buried underneath San Francisco? How is there a secret city in the Arctic?"
I mean, surely these questions would be asked. Right?
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Auron_Kale
Member
I enjoyed seeing just a bit more of Wakanda and their tech in the trailer, as the hints from the teaser were enough to whet my appetite for when the movie drops.
But man, T'Challa's suit game is on point... I wholly approve.
Just a few more months now...
But man, T'Challa's suit game is on point... I wholly approve.
Just a few more months now...
ArgyleReptile
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The hell did I just read and why did I like it.
I mean with SHIELD not even able to detect Hydra agents in their ranks for 50 years I don't think Wakanda was coming to them for help.
BKatastrophe
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Eternals technically dates way back to Jack Kirby, but they were basically a forgotten property. I highly recommend this short run, though. Very good stuff. John Romita Jr. pays some serious Kirby homage in this with the art.
Those aren't 'a stone's throw' away from Finland, Norway and Sweden, though. There's literally a thousand (or more) miles between those countries. Germany is closer to Belarus and Ukraine than both Sweden and Norway.
Who said it was too over the top? It was pretty much just curisosity from everyone asking, it's people like you that overblow that questioning because you automatically jump to the conclusion of the person trying to be racist.
That's not too hard to comprehend. What's hard to comprehend is that this Marvel Universe frames itself to be set in our world - so to have a utopia that's extremely technologically advanced, surround by many many countries in a huge continent that is considerably less technologically advanced than the rest of the world does leave pause for question on believability of farfetchedness, NOT because it's a place occupied by black people. You could remove the colour of their skin and replace it for any other colour, and it would STILL be unbelievable how a place surrounded by many other countries less technologically developed than the rest of the world is the most technologically developed place in the world. Even more so considering how the rest of the world came to be so technologically advanced. Especially as people's answers seem to just be they have a lot of vibranium and wealth. A mineral and wealth doesn't contstitute for the many reasons needed for a place to be not only technologically the most advanced, but medicinally also.
The reason why no one questions Iron Man is because like I said, it's framed to be set in our world. Which brings with it everything that would have given countries rise to being how they are portrayed in the film and in that/our world. It's not much of a leap that a man who lives in such a technologically built country that he can produce more far-fetched technology such as a working mechanical protective exoskeleton with a power reactor, two things which already exist in the real world to some extent, with military exoskeletons being built and explored, and power technology getting smaller and stronger.
No one questions Thor, because it's not set in our world, it's just portrayed as magic, or science that we don't understand, it only really become a problem now that it becomes more connected.
The problem is that Wakanda is set to be placed within our real world, that hasn't built itself on magic or alien influence. Therefore it's weird for a place in Africa (not because it's in Africa, but because most countries in Africa are developing nations. It would be like having a place in the heart of Europe that is as advanced to the state that Wakanda is (from what I'm being told of curing cancer/ilnesses etc.) and then every surrounding country just entering the industrial development or a renaissance type era), which throughout time, compared to many other countries in the world, is far less technologically advanced up until recent years/century. That's not racism at all, it's believability in a fictional space.
People's problems are that they're projecting their own concerns of the films being attacked because it has a black cast for people genuinely asking questions about it. My first post was admitting I'm ignorant of the lore and knowledge of Black Panther and was simply asking how in the comics a place like it came to be - but even asking such a thing is racist and losing your shit now because you're genuinely interest... because the trailers looked really good and sparked an interest for something that I have no idea about. Perhaps some of my phrasing was shit in mentioning Africa. I understand there's many different countries within the place, but there's many countries that are developing. I also don't understand how people are misconstruing how I can't understand that Wakanda would want to keep it's technology and wealth protected and safe, yes I can understand why they would want to do that. I don't understand HOW they got their technology. The only vague asnwer that some people have given is Vibranium... more people have cared about trying to cause shit by being over protective in defending it, if it were literally any other topic, explaining to someone who is ADMITEDLY proclaiming ignorance of knowing anything about it, then they would just explain the lore... I understand it to some degree, because there will be people saying shit about it because it is a black film.
Also that shit with junior member therefore shitposter? Get off your high horse!
Ninja Scooter
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The idea of Walanda is pretty far fetched, but so is the idea of a billionaire playboy who builds and maintains a military arsenal in a cave under his house, or the idea of a superhuman alien who puts on a pair of glasses and becomes unrecognizable.
ArgyleReptile
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I know, I just read it, lol.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
The PROBLEM is people like the above who simply can't allow for some suspension of disbelief that a technological utopia can develop over the course of centuries while hidden from the rest of the world because smart, wealthy and powerful Africans is just a bridge too far even though it takes place in a universe that has established secret magic societies living across the world and outer space raccoons who wield machine guns and befriend talking trees.
I personally read that top quote as they were trying to make an intentional joke post? No idea.
Questioning Wakanda won't stop me from enjoying the film. Like I said, I'm openly stating I know nothing of it, which is why I was asking about it. The fact that the film looks genuinely good, and interesting because we've not gotten an Afrofutrist film before, let alone a Black Marvel adaptation yet.
However, I can still question it. It doesn't mean people can be assholes because they project their paranoia of people questioning it as equating to being racist...
Pai Pai Master
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You can question it, even though it's been explained countless times in the comics and in this thread and will be explained in the movie. I'm certainly not saying you specifically are being racist with your questioning but the above example is exactly what we are talking about when we say we're tired of people obviously being unable to comprehend something fantastic simply because it takes place in Africa, despite all the facts being presented to them and despite things established in-universe that are equally or more astounding than Wakanda.
This has been answered over and over and over again.
Let me ask you this, HOW did Howard Stark get his technology?
HOW did Hank Pym, the man that created a suit that talks to insects and shrinks people to the size of sub atomic particles, get his technology?
Answer this in good faith.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Not to mention the whole ignorantly calling out the tribal markings which are based on actual cultural behaviors as "disgusting" instead of I dunno doing some fucking research.
Well no... it hasn't really, only that Vibranium makes them wealthy and they have a lot of it and they're ALL super smart.
That doesn't explain how, from what I've just read, a country the size of New York, in what I assume to be the heart of Africa, had developed a world's worth of knowledge in maths, science, medicine and technology that took the rest of the world thousands of years of learning - along with having to trade resources or invade and steal resources that wouldn't have been available to them otherwise. That's why it's unbelievable to me, because it's a tiny place in the world that has amassed all the knowledge of the word, and more than the rest of the world combined, without the worlds recourses, many of which are exclusive to certain territories of the world.
I don't have a problem with any physical prowess they have or their intelligence, but to say a country, Wakanda, became like this somehow in isolation with a mineral and just being smart is far fetched.
Hank Pym is in a country with substantial technological development, so it's not far fetched for me to assume he can create a science because he has knowledge and base to be able to study and find it. I don't find it unbelievable a Wakandian wouldn't have the same intelligence to create the same thing with the same resources available to them, I'm just questioning how they got those resources without the same level of interaction every other country in the world had with each other which linked trade and war, and discovery. Because frankly just the answer Vibranium and intelligence is too far a stretch.
Essentially, if a character has a believable building block for something that can vaguely be stretched into something a bit far-fetched, but not unbelievable that's fine. For me, Vibranium and being smart but in a continent that generally does not have the same building blocks is unbelievable for me.
Pai Pai Master
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Wakanda being hidden from the world doesn't mean that the rest of the world is hidden to them. They trade with other nations and they send their scientists to learn from the best and brightest institutions from around the world. They developed the way they did because they valued scientific advancements over warfare and imperialism, and were allowed to progress unhindered over centuries without falling to outside invaders.
T'Challa himself has a Ph. D. in Physics from Oxford.
T'Challa himself has a Ph. D. in Physics from Oxford.
SoRuffShoNuff
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What? Wakanda tech is so advanced it could be considered magic to what Shield is using. Why is it incomprehensible for you to believe that Wakanda can have tech so advanced that even Shield wasnt aware of it?
It's a comic book movie. If they say there is a hidden civilization in Africa with amazing tech, there is a hidden civilization in Africa with amazing tech. We're in a universe with magical monks, space vikings, gundams, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, a talking racoon with his tree companion, and the world's most dangerous man who has yet to leave his chair in 10 years.
There was a door you probably should of checked out on some 8 years ago. First Ironman was about as plausible as we got.
There was a door you probably should of checked out on some 8 years ago. First Ironman was about as plausible as we got.
Ahhh, okay, that makes sense compared to just having Vibranium and wealth. I mean I find it a bit implausible that for such a small country that wants to actively hide and protect their resource of Vibranium and wealth, that they would have the ability to travel and explore to the rest of the world centuries before other countries in order to have such a technology, but I don't find that unbelievable compared to just the answer of Vibranium and Intelligence.
Perhaps people should just answer people's questions instead of attacking them due to their own insecurity...
So it's in the sense that they sent researches out who used the knowledge from all the other countries in the world having wars etc. leading to new discoveries and taking that back with them. I genuinely have no knowledge and Wakanda or Black Panther but this makes sense. And makes it even more interesting how they have kept their cultural identity mixed with their technology (panther guns, fuck yeah!).
In anycase, really looking forward to this simply for a new setting we've not had before.
Here is the closest thing approaching an answer to my question, so I'll focus on that.
You say Hank Pym was able to create his particle suit (and his ability to communicate with ants) because he had access to knowledge and resources.
And fortunately for the Wakandans, that answer works just as well for them. They have access to the same universities, the same books, the same knowledge. And studying is exactly what the Wakandans invested their considerable wealth into once they began selling the valuable resource for a fortune.
At that point, all it took was a super genius or two among them (which you find lying all around in the MCU) to create the technology.
The vibranium didn't give them their intelligence. But being the sole owner of a huge deposit of it enabled them to amass a huge wealth which they smartly used to invest in science and build infrastructure. And looking at what colonization has done to other Africans with valuable resources, they invested in hiding their advancements. All it would take, as shown in the trailer, is an advanced cloaking field, which is far less of a stretch for technology than what Hank Pym or Howard Stark and Tony Stark created.
So they got their technology by investing $$$$$$$ and brilliant minds into technology. The same way the other technological advances in the MCU are made.
No, perhaps you should read what people have said in this thread. This was answered before. Don't blame others because you overlooked it.
In fact, one of the replies was TO you, two days ago.
Yeah I get it now, I mean there's still things I find implausable, just like any other aspects of Marvel charactesr, but not unbelievable in that case. And in that case, I'd actually be really interested to see a Wakanda set in the time of the rest of the world being in medieval ages, seems like it could be interesting viewing Wakanda being technologies ahead of different time points compared to he rest of the world technologically (does any print run deal with this)?
Also can I just say, especially to that complete dick (don't know his user name), to actually judge rationally whether someone wants to discuss a topic with no bias and actually provide an answer.
The above two responses have pretty much cleared the lore in regards to the answers I was looking for. Would have been a lot easier not to just jump on my junior member status and be a complete asshole.
The only answers I were seeing, intermitted with assholes, was that it's because of their Vibranium and intelligence. Not because throughtout time they've sent people out exploring other countries and learning from the other countries and bringing that knowledge back and building on it in isolation. (I'm referring to posts after I asked my question) I hadn't read any of the pages before)