Support NeoGAF

[DenchDeckard]

It is truly pitiful to see MS, a trillion dollar company, making themselves look so pathetic and weak in order to gain sympathy for this acquisition. If they weren’t so lazy and spent some of the billions they have invested in studios they could have possibly created some bangers. But no, they would rather play the victim card and look weak. Sony has always invested in their games and studios and always put out AAA titles that deliver. It’s the whole point of console gaming and yet MS are intent on being lazy and trying to buy up companies with established IP so they can just add them to their catalog to justify Gamepass even more.
This really shows how much more efficient Sony and Playstation is in the console space as well as Nintendo. MS has reduced the Xbox to the point of where I think many owners are questioning wether or not it’s worth to keep investing in such a pathetic company that doesn’t even believe in their own hardware. I thought console sales weren’t even the metric they used anymore? Wasn’t it engagement? They continue to spin and manipulate the conversation. I have a Series X and have always enjoyed Xbox as a whole. However, this generation and what Phil and company have reduced themselves to is making me not even want to keep it much longer. Yes, even though Starvield looks interesting. I cant invest my hard earned money into a product that the company doesn’t even believe in at this point. It defeats the whole purpose of being excited for the hardware and the ecosystem. I hope this deal doesn’t go through and MS changes personnel if possible to reboot this sad state of Xbox. They need people bak like J.Allard and Peter Moore and Seamus Blackley. Those were leaders and people who invested in games and the ecosystem. They believed in their hardware and pushed the boundaries of what it could do to create compelling new games. Phil is just content with being a victim and looking to buy up other people’s hard work and claim it as his while putting forth the least amount of effort. Xbox will never be the same and these hearings are bringing out the absolute worst in them. Shady, pitiful, groveling and just pathetic to even read anymore of this as it continues to go on. Block this deal and get this clown show over with already. Then change up the roster of people at Xbox if possible and see if they can actually make it a compelling platform again.

For 70 billion dollars many would act like anything...

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

It frankly doesn't matter what their market share is when their parent company is a trillion dollar company. They can't be allowed to buy their way to dominance in a market.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

pretty healthy for the Xbox brand.

 

[Adam_802]

Real sign here is how good the Xbox revenue is, on par with Nintendo. Just funny to see MS purposely trying to make itself look bad lol.

 

[Moriarty1889]

For 70 billion dollars many would act like anything...

Yes and it justifies even more what I said about how pitiful the look.

 

[Venom Snake]

It's not about what position they have now, but what position they will have in the next decade, after absorbing half of the industry and pushing the competition out of this industry's share. Showing such stats at the moment is completely pointless, but maybe they will impress someone whose children will want to make a faster career in Microsoft.

This may qualify as a reason for the decision to buy ABK, but in no way justifies its approval.

 

[Skifi28]

Look at those poor Microsoft fellas, somebody should invest in that small startup.

 

[Pelta88]

That's a collapse of epic proportions. I didn't think it was that low. More like 25/30%

16% is abysmal.

 

[SHA]

Figures are just figures, it doesn't show what they're willing, it's just a sign that they will do better in the future.

 

[Three]

Huh? Wouldn't we need to find out what Nintendo's and Sony's full 2021 console sales were? And then take 21% of a whole number.......to see what MS Xbox fits?

Probably made some mistakes because I don't know if they are referring to calendar year or financial year but that would put xbox at 6.6M for 2021. Playstation at 28% in 2021.

 

[kyussman]

I love how Xbox have spent the last year bragging about how shit they are and if this aquisition doesn't go through they are going to have to start pretending they are actually great again....it's so pathetic,lol.

 

[ConcealedBlaze]

Microsoft isn’t “playing the victim” or “making themselves look weak.” This is super common in anti-trust/monopoly cases. The question always comes down to “what is the market at issue?” Because that’s what helps define whether the activity becomes anti-competitive. Of course Microsoft is going to include Nintendo in their definition because it makes the market larger and makes the merger more likely to be approved. Similarly the FTC wants to restrict it to just Sony and MS to bolster their case it’s anti-competitive.

So many people are treating this stuff as press releases and they aren’t. They’re legal filings and need to be analyzed as such.

The console war bullshit has rotted some of your brains.

 

[bitbydeath]

We’re 2023 now, why not at least provide 2022 data?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

need to be analyzed as such.

that is the issue, 99.9% are not qualified to even have an opinion

 

[yazenov]

Like others have mentioned, MS getting trounced and dominated by the competition doesn't justify their anti competitive and anti consumer behaviour such as by buying their way into the market and taking away content from the majority of the consumers that own the other consoles.

It's extremely embarrassing for Microsoft that the trillion dollar company couldn't compete with the 2 smaller companies all these years in the gaming market. This is their four console generation and they are trying to act like the new kid in the block under dog.

 

[ConcealedBlaze]

that is the issue, 99.9% are not qualified to even have an opinion

Yeah I suppose that’s true. When stuff I’m well-versed in comes up the general discourse online always seems really lacking. It’s a good reminder that in other areas I’m definitely in the non-expert group and probably shouldn’t trust my read of situations 100%.

 

[John Wick]

Lol no. Stadia and amazon is ms's competitor.

In the console and games space Sony is MS competitor. Stadia and Amazon aren't even close.

 

[Katatonic]

That's a collapse of epic proportions. I didn't think it was that low. More like 25/30%

16% is abysmal.

It's a rejected product.

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

Why are they adding Nintendo to the chart?
What a scummy way to make yourself look small

are you for real?

 

[Helghan]

In other news, Microsoft continues to exhibit small pee pee energy and makes Xbox look embarrassing. Instead of making its own product look good to the public.

Is this the first time you noticed that Microsoft puts more of their eggs in the Game Publisher basket? Hence Game Pass, hence releasing games on PC, and thus trying to buy ABK

 

[jm89]

They better start praying this thing goes through.

They are laying out material that they will be trolled with for years with nothing to show for it.

 

[RoboFu]

There's some obvious bullshit going on with the $200 loss figure as Microsoft is always trying to look more pathetic than they really are. They probably did something like include R&D. No way Sony is turning in a profit while Microsoft is losing $200.

I knew “ revenue “ would be posted!

 

[Tsaki]

So which consoles do they include in these numbers? Series only? Series+One? Series+One+360+OG?

 

[Gaiff]

That's a collapse of epic proportions. I didn't think it was that low. More like 25/30%

16% is abysmal.

Might honestly be more than they deserve. The first 2 years of the Series X were utterly pathetic. They had a golden opportunity to regain relevance and market share but utterly fumbled the ball. Sony was reeling back from its strong finish with the PS4 and was outputting very few titles for the PS5. Microsoft should have been ready to start the gen with a bang but once again, they had nothing. What the fuck were they doing during those 7 years where the Xbox One had basically nothing?

They should have had a stream of high-quality games from late 2020 and onwards but it seems it'll start only in late 2023. The management is so incompetent that it's disgusting.

 

[semiconscious]

It is truly pitiful to see MS, a trillion dollar company, making themselves look so pathetic and weak in order to gain sympathy for this acquisition. If they weren’t so lazy and spent some of the billions they have invested in studios they could have possibly created some bangers. But no, they would rather play the victim card and look weak. Sony has always invested in their games and studios and always put out AAA titles that deliver. It’s the whole point of console gaming and yet MS are intent on being lazy and trying to buy up companies with established IP so they can just add them to their catalog to justify Gamepass even more.
This really shows how much more efficient Sony and Playstation is in the console space as well as Nintendo. MS has reduced the Xbox to the point of where I think many owners are questioning wether or not it’s worth to keep investing in such a pathetic company that doesn’t even believe in their own hardware. I thought console sales weren’t even the metric they used anymore? Wasn’t it engagement? They continue to spin and manipulate the conversation. I have a Series X and have always enjoyed Xbox as a whole. However, this generation and what Phil and company have reduced themselves to is making me not even want to keep it much longer. Yes, even though Starvield looks interesting. I cant invest my hard earned money into a product that the company doesn’t even believe in at this point. It defeats the whole purpose of being excited for the hardware and the ecosystem. I hope this deal doesn’t go through and MS changes personnel if possible to reboot this sad state of Xbox. They need people bak like J.Allard and Peter Moore and Seamus Blackley. Those were leaders and people who invested in games and the ecosystem. They believed in their hardware and pushed the boundaries of what it could do to create compelling new games. Phil is just content with being a victim and looking to buy up other people’s hard work and claim it as his while putting forth the least amount of effort. Xbox will never be the same and these hearings are bringing out the absolute worst in them. Shady, pitiful, groveling and just pathetic to even read anymore of this as it continues to go on. Block this deal and get this clown show over with already. Then change up the roster of people at Xbox if possible and see if they can actually make it a compelling platform again.

it's the long arm of victimhood. & it actually, unbelievably, occasionally works!...

 

[OmegaSupreme]

They're counting Nintendo again? I can't keep up with what Ms and their fans view as competition.

 

[NEbeast]

So because they can't manage their own studios to put out a good game they should be able to buy up a huge portion of the industry? It's not making much sense Microsoft.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Sony has always been more into single player games. They're trying to change that now because they are jealous of Xbox paypigs spending billions on MTX.

 

[The Alien]

So basically, I'm not as good as my competition so let me buy up the whole industry.

Conversely, I own 80% of the console market that I've been stagnating. But I'm gonna cry and pee my pants if my competition acquires companies to gain a competitive edge.

 

[schaft0620]

This explains why they get 10%-15% of unit sales of games.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Conversely, I own 80% of the console market that I've been stagnating. But I'm gonna cry and pee my pants if my competition acquires companies to gain a competitive edge.

Hey now, pissing and moaning is something we take very seriously down here at Honest Jim’s Organic Sony Game Farm.

These big ol’ city folk at MS just want to use their money instead of playin fair.

 

[Nydius]

Conversely, I own 80% of the console market that I've been stagnating. But I'm gonna cry and pee my pants if my competition acquires companies to gain a competitive edge.

Because a 2 trillion dollar company that has mismanaged its gaming division for 20 years buying the largest developer/publisher suite in order to stifle competition and strongarm the fledgling subscription service industry is just a "competitive edge".

Do people like you even listen to the shit you say before you say it?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Conversely, I own 80% of the console market that I've been stagnating. But I'm gonna cry and pee my pants if my competition acquires companies to gain a competitive edge.

Stagnation in what sense? They own 80 percent of the console market? Are we not counting Nintendo?

 

[Spitfire098]

Xbox, Phil, Satya: Xbox has lost the console war. Third place isn't a meme

Green bois:

 

[Kerotan]

Why are they adding Nintendo to the chart?
What a scummy way to make yourself look small

Wait so this is the real reason MS claims they're directly competing with Nintendo. They're trying to look as small as possible to take over Acti.

Nautilus lmao told ya Phil is full of shite.

Xbox isn't directly competing with Nintendo until they launch a portable console with a screen that can connect to a TV. For now they're commited to the traditional route and are directly colliding with Sony.

 

[Edgelord79]

They want to show they are weak.
They are sleezy as hell.

But they are weak in this respect.

 

[Nautilus]

Wait so this is the real reason MS claims they're directly competing with Nintendo. They're trying to look as small as possible to take over Acti.

Nautilus lmao told ya Phil is full of shite.

Xbox isn't directly competing with Nintendo until they launch a portable console with a screen that can connect to a TV. For now they're commited to the traditional route and are directly colliding with Sony.

It has nothing to do with it lol.

Obviously that MS will use anything they can to make themselves look like third. But I mean, aren't they in third already?

And what I find it funny is that you still think that you, a RANDOM internet user, thinks you know more than the head of Xbox, NPD, Famitsu, Media Create, and European analysts.

Lmao

 

[Nautilus]

I mean, we all knew Xbox was in third. Nintendo with the Switch being constantly in first up until recently, and Sony with the PS5 constantly gaining more and more momentum were clearly constantly outselling the Xbox.

Nice to know the split for xbox at least, but there is nothing new here.

 

[lh032]

because they are direct competition to both Sony and Microsoft

er .. maybe because Nintendo is a console seller in the market ?

you ok, Fey ?

they are not direct competitor.

Nintendo basically stays at their own field.
Microsoft and Sony compete with each other.

Alot of third party games available on PS/Xbox and not on Switch

 

[Barakov]

"Listen guys, we have been sucking at this for 20 years, so now you must let us buy the whole industry to fix our problems"

Pretty much. It'd be nice if this was the straw that broke the camel's back as far as Microsoft's bullshit goes. At the very least I hope this gives them a black eye that doesn't go away for a very long time.

 

[Three]

So which consoles do they include in these numbers? Series only? Series+One? Series+One+360+OG?

Considering it's 16% 2021 sales I would say series only. For their 21% I would say it's all.

 

[Kacho]

they are not direct competitor.

Nintendo basically stays at their own field.
Microsoft and Sony compete with each other.

Alot of third party games available on PS/Xbox and not on Switch

Nope. As I said in my other post

Some people exclude Nintendo because they have weak hardware, or miss third party games, or only make kiddie games, or consider Switch a handheld and not a console. All of that really doesn't matter

When mommy goes Christmas shopping for lil Timmy, she has to choose between Nintendo, PlayStation and Xbox. They’re all in direct competition for peoples time and money when it comes to video games.

All the

doesn’t matter

 

[lh032]

Nope. As I said in my other post

When mommy goes Christmas shopping for lil Timmy, she has to choose between Nintendo, PlayStation and Xbox. They’re all in direct competition for peoples time and money when it comes to video games.

All the

doesn’t matter

but switch is not xbox maincompetitor, theres a reason why Microsoft "request" to release COD on switch.
It makes switch look like a competitor to Xbox.

 

[Kacho]

but it is though, theres a reason why Microsoft "request" to release COD on switch.
It makes switch look like a competitor to Xbox.

No. This is just tin foil nonsense.

 

[Nautilus]

they are not direct competitor.

Nintendo basically stays at their own field.
Microsoft and Sony compete with each other.

Alot of third party games available on PS/Xbox and not on Switch

Nintendo competes directly with Sony and Microsoft.

Phil Spencer himself admitted as much recently. Professional videogame sales analysts as Media Create, Famitsu, NPD, European analysts, etc treats as much.

Or are we to pretend that we know more than them, either the head of one of the big three or professional analysts?

 

[lh032]

Nintendo competes directly with Sony and Microsoft.

Phil Spencer himself admitted as much recently. Professional videogame sales analysts as Media Create, Famitsu, NPD, European analysts, etc treats as much.

Or are we to pretend that we know more than them, either the head of one of the big three or professional analysts?

of course he need to admit it, he wants to make xbox looks smaller.

The good thing about Nintendo, is that they able to self sustain, as we all know their first party IP sells alot, now they even have pipelines for movies as well.

Xbox buying up publishers is going to affect Sony more than Nintendo.

Im pretty sure you are Nintendo expert around here, you should know what games sells on the switch.

 

[Ansphn]

Conversely, I own 80% of the console market that I've been stagnating. But I'm gonna cry and pee my pants if my competition acquires companies to gain a competitive edge.

Sony does not own 80% of the console market. Where is the data that shows that? If Nintendo does not exist that can be true but I just seen people overjoyed with Zelda so in this reality Nintendo does exist. What reality are you from?

 

[Nautilus]

of course he need to admit it, he wants to make xbox looks smaller.

The good thing about Nintendo, is that they able to self sustain, as we all know their first party IP sells alot, now they even have pipelines for movies as well.

Xbox buying up publishers is going to affect Sony more than Nintendo.

Im pretty sure you are Nintendo expert around here, you should know what games sells on the switch.

Yes, Nintendo first party software tends to be the "main attraction", but that doesn't mean the rest doesn't sell. GBA, DS, Game Boy, all of them had extremely successful third party franchises, so your theory is already wrong. But the reason that third parties sold poorly on N64, Gamecube and Wii U is because the console themselves sold poorly. So outside of an audience really dedicated to Nintendo, there really wasn't a space for anyone else.

But the Switch is different. Every year there are DOZENS of third party that sell at the very least a million there, and more and more, the Switch becomes more and more healthy for third parties. But its a long healing process that won't happen overnight. Most of the third parties that aren't on Switch is probably due to power issues, so its "physically" impossible for them to be ported. We all hope that's fixed with the Switch 2, but that remains to be seen.

And while yes, buying third party affects more Sony than Nintendo, its just because Nintwndo is better prepared to survive without them. I don't see how that's proof that they don't compete. Plus, Sony is trying to "become" a Nintendo. They are investing heavily into first party, for those games to become major system sellers and so that they are less reliant on third party. And for the most part, its working. God Of War became a juggernaut, same for Horizon, Gran Turismo and to a lesser extent, The Last of Us. And that's not including smaller stuff like Ratchet and Clank, Returnal and stuff thats a bit out of their control, like Spiderman and Wolverine. So is Sony moving away from competing directly with MS and Nintendo? No, that's ridiculous.

And its not just Phil who said it. Media Create, Famitsu, NPD, european analysts. All professional and INDEPENDANT analysts agree that Sony, Nintendo and MS directly compete.

 

[Kerotan]

It has nothing to do with it lol.

Obviously that MS will use anything they can to make themselves look like third. But I mean, aren't they in third already?

And what I find it funny is that you still think that you, a RANDOM internet user, thinks you know more than the head of Xbox, NPD, Famitsu, Media Create, and European analysts.

Lmao

He's got an agenda and he's literally demonstrating that here. Phil doesn't genuinely believe what he says and anybody with a brain doesn't either.

 

[MarkMe2525]

The numbers "feel" right. Good news for them that the video game market has gotten rather large.