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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online

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valkillmore

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dark_prinny said:
Sony. Assemble!

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You're welcome.
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Jesus Christ. I fucking love NeoGAF.
 
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Cheech

Member
MaulerX said:
Ok. I thought the:

"...do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products..."


sounded a bit like debunking. I mean, if what they have already in place is "customer centric" then I don't see them adding always online DRM as continuing that trend.
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That's how I read it as well. It's him telling us the whole thing is bullshit, but he can't explicitly debunk it because its an unannounced product.

Anyone who has taken a Communications 101 class could have figured this out.

But insane, hyperbolic reaction instead of rational thought is a fun way to kill a Friday at work, I suppose.
 
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thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
Major Nelson said:
his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers.
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Well maybe it's not a denial of the always online rumor, but at least even they acknowledge that the stuff that guy posted was really really stupid.
 
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GoofsterStud

Member
Cheech said:
That's how I read it as well. It's him telling us the whole thing is bullshit, but he can't explicitly debunk it because its an unannounced product.

Anyone who has taken a Communications 101 class could have figured this out.

But insane, hyperbolic reaction instead of rational thought is a fun way to kill a Friday at work, I suppose.
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I read that as them referring to:

I wouldn't live there comment and insulting rural USA.

or

The "Deal With It" tag line

This doesn't seem like the Microsoft "approach" to announce a new "feature".
 
Boss Man

Boss Man

Member
Cheech said:
That's how I read it as well. It's him telling us the whole thing is bullshit, but he can't explicitly debunk it because its an unannounced product.

Anyone who has taken a Communications 101 class could have figured this out.

But insane, hyperbolic reaction instead of rational thought is a fun way to kill a Friday at work, I suppose.
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Hey, I had to take that class for some reason. I disagree with you. Let's see who was paying more attention.

thepotatoman said:
Well maybe it's not a denial of the always online rumor, but at least even they acknowledge that the stuff that guy posted was really really stupid.
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Of course they do. I doubt his 'decision' to make his Twitter private was done totally on his own accord too. I'd honestly be surprised if this guy doesn't lose his job over causing so much damage.

RedNumberFive said:
Holy shit, ironically, due to an Internet outage, I missed this glorious thread.
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Don't post on GAF!
 
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Epcott

Member
SunhiLegend said:
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LMAOOOO

Oh man, legendary!

Serious question, do big corporations such as MS actually take GAF seriously? I was always under the impression we were seen as a small demographic of game nerds/hoodlums whining about pointless issues.

I doubt (if this is true) MS cares one way or the other how gaming websites react to this practice when they only react to NPD and sales numbers.
 
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orznge

Banned
Cheech said:
That's how I read it as well. It's him telling us the whole thing is bullshit, but he can't explicitly debunk it because its an unannounced product.

Anyone who has taken a Communications 101 class could have figured this out.

But insane, hyperbolic reaction instead of rational thought is a fun way to kill a Friday at work, I suppose.
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bet your account on it
 
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Raitosaito

Member
Cheech said:
That's how I read it as well. It's him telling us the whole thing is bullshit, but he can't explicitly debunk it because its an unannounced product.

Anyone who has taken a Communications 101 class could have figured this out.

But insane, hyperbolic reaction instead of rational thought is a fun way to kill a Friday at work, I suppose.
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You are taking a way different class then I remember.
 
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noodleboy

Member
I've been following this thread since the start and last checked at page 46. Its now 79.

Epic stuff.

In regards to the always-online, that's a big no-no for me.
 
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Master_JO

Banned
Spongebob said:
If you read the Kotaku article then you would realize that this is not how MS is implementing this.

With Durango you have to be connected to the internet at all times to play games or use applications, when you disconnect from the internet then you will be given a 3 minute window to keep playing offline. After those three minutes then a network troubleshooter pops up and your game or application is suspended.

Edit: Response to Bkilian
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Well this is coming from a person who used to work at Microsoft. And me personally doesn't buy that 3 minutes window. I don't think the world is ready for a only online console. Lots of people doesn't have an internet connection. Maybe have of current 360 members doesn't have it. Part of Europe and lots on Asia , Africa and middle east doesn't have a decent internet connection but do have 360. I just can't imagine Microsoft will throw that away.
 
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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
jtb said:
I don't think he's an arrogant asshole who lacks empathy. He's just a guy doing his job. It's no surprise that the consumer and the producer of a product will not always see eye to eye—that's not lacking in empathy or arrogance, that's capitalism. Frankly, I think an idea like that would be disastrous (I mean, how many people have broadband? Certainly in the US, you're cutting out a potentially large chunk of users), but they'll pay for that when the console bombs. If the product is shit, then it's up to the consumer to vote with their wallet.
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You don't think he lacks empathy?

#dealwithit

"get with the times and get the Internet."

"Why on earth would I live there?"
 
Boss Man

Boss Man

Member
Not that it's needed, but here's a counter argument:

If vacuum cleaners didn't require electricity to function, I wouldn't buy one that did.

If mobile phones were required to have a (rare) strong network connection to do anything, I probably wouldn't buy one.
 
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Revven

Member
Cheech said:
That's how I read it as well. It's him telling us the whole thing is bullshit...
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Umm.... no... this is not the case at all.

It's a blanket PR statement that's trying to deflect the hate. It debunks nothing whatsoever but at the very least tells us they're aware of what transpired.

Trying to do any specific response during the shitstorm that this has become would be extremely risky. Especially, since, y'know they haven't even announced this console yet officially.

But then again I don't know why I'm responding to you when you made a horrendously stupid comment earlier this morning about how we're all pirates or whatever.

Cheech said:
It's cute how all the pirates are upset about "always online", though. Oh, not a pirate, just don't have a stable Internet connection? Go buy a Wii U. Nintendo has your back.
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And this is like a good 10-15 pages after someone else did the exact same thing and got banned for it.
 
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Puppet Shadow

Member
Epcott said:
LMAOOOO

Oh man, legendary!

Serious question, do big corporations such as MS actually take GAF seriously? I was always under the impression we were seen as a small demographic of game nerds/hoodlums whining about pointless issues.

I doubt (if this is true) MS cares one way or the other how gaming websites react to this practice when they only react to NPD and sales numbers.
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A lot of people who are considering buying a product (such as a game or gaming console) will often ask friends who 'are into that thing' for their opinion. And those people often hit up gaming sites like Gaf.

Another thing to consider: For those saying this is still good PR for Microsoft, as people are talking about the product, even if Microsoft announces at E3 that always online will not be required as rumored, by October (or whenever it's released) there will still be a number of people saying 'Oh, don't get the new Xbox, I hear you have to be online'. Bad news PR is just that... bad news.
 
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Roto13

Member
MaulerX said:
Ok. I thought the:

"...do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products..."


sounded a bit like debunking. I mean, if what they have already in place is "customer centric" then I don't see them adding always online DRM as continuing that trend.
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You're so... innocent.
 
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shinobi602

Member
Cheech said:
That's how I read it as well. It's him telling us the whole thing is bullshit, but he can't explicitly debunk it because its an unannounced product.

Anyone who has taken a Communications 101 class could have figured this out.

But insane, hyperbolic reaction instead of rational thought is a fun way to kill a Friday at work, I suppose.
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Are you kidding me? That is a class A typical PR statement. It in no way debunks anything regarding always online. The "customer centric approach" is referring to how he inappropriately dealt with consumers on Twitter.
 
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jtb

Banned
Zefah said:
You don't think he lacks empathy?

#dealwithit

"get with the times and get the Internet."

"Why on earth would I live there?"
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it's Twitter. probably best not to make sweeping character judgements on anyone merely from their twitter (or at least, set your threshold a little higher), because you'll end up hating anyone who's ever tweeted anything in their life.

not to mention, are those statements really that inflammatory? even discounting the fact that there's clearly an element of tongue-in-cheek with those tweets, I dunno... I guess I'm desensitized because he does have a point. Granted, it's not a very good point ("lol don't buy our product, guys!"), but I don't see that as particularly lacking in empathy. Especially when video games are a luxury good. The only people that care how available the product will be is, ironically, Microsoft. So his argument is a poorly constructed and misguided one, but not lacking in empathy.
 
Raven77

Raven77

Member
I'm assuming maybe this has been posted? Thread is moving crazy fast, if not:


MICROSOFTS OFFICIAL RESPONSE TO ADAM ORTHS TWEETS:


"We are aware of the comments made by an employee on Twitter. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views are not reflective of those of the company. We have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter."
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Crimson_Gold

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shinobi602 said:
Are you kidding me? That is a class A typical PR statement. It in no way debunks anything regarding always online. The "customer centric" is referring to how he inappropriately dealt with consumers on Twitter.
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Precisely. At best it could reference the disparaging remarks made about those 2 cities, but in no way does it debunk the always online rumor. MS likely will present always online as a consumer centric way of delivering the Xbox experience.
 
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Tomat

Wanna hear a good joke? Waste your time helping me! LOL!
Zefah said:
You don't think he lacks empathy?

#dealwithit

"get with the times and get the Internet."

"Why on earth would I live there?"
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Did you miss the part where those comments were made to a friend of his, and they were joking with each other? Said friend even said that was the case.
 
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NullPointer

Member
shinobi602 said:
Are you kidding me? That is a class A typical PR statement. It in no way debunks anything regarding always online. The "customer centric approach" is referring to how he inappropriately dealt with consumers on Twitter.
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That's how I read it too.

Customer-centric just means they never would have said something like "Deal with it".
 
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xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
Tomat said:
Did you miss the part where those comments were made to a friend of his, and they were joking with each other? Said friend even said that was the case.
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Come on. He was only joking with his friend about city life versus rural life, not the other shit.
 
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PaulExcellent

Member
Cheech said:
That's how I read it as well. It's him telling us the whole thing is bullshit, but he can't explicitly debunk it because its an unannounced product.

Anyone who has taken a Communications 101 class could have figured this out.

But insane, hyperbolic reaction instead of rational thought is a fun way to kill a Friday at work, I suppose.
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You might want to retake the class, because you are so wrong it hurts.

This is purely a statement made to show that Microsoft acknowledged the posts.
There is no "debunking". It is just a PR move.
 
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AAK

Member
Let's just say this guy and the OP of this thread just rescued Microsoft if the always on nonsense is true. They managed to expose this to the masses unlike any other news item ever before and the outcry is pretty hard to ignore. I'm sure the managed at MS feel this pressure from everywhere and they will make sure they won't make this mistake. They felt only a taste of the wrath that would siege them, I'm fairly confident they're going to take the appropriate actions to not experience this ever again. And there is still time before the launch of the new consoles.
 
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Moxx19

Banned
Just chiming in to say I haven't posted, but I've been following this thread since the beginning, this is why I love GAF. I thought nothing would top the PS meeting thread but damn.

Sunhi living up to his name and Cerny's face in that Avengers gif gets me every time
 
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