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[RUMOR] Paul Thurrott: Xbox 720 is expensive: $500 or $300 for sub model, 5/21 Unveil

You'll notice I said you 'just missed out on this'. Which was referring to the fact that happened a little over 5 years ago.

Snark aside, I haven't had an issue with Live connectivity.

Even if it went down for almost two weeks at the beginning of this gen, that hasn't been repeated since.

Waiting for more things to be informed upon of course.
 

tim.mbp

Member
I was wondering that too. If my cable/TIVO box goes out I just phone up my provider and they send someone round to replace or repair it and I get my 'lost days' refunded.

What are MS going to do? Have people send their broken 'nextboxes' back in the post?!

Take it back to where you bought it?
 

RPGCrazied

Member
The only thing I might be interested is the $99 360. If that is not behind a live subscription or a very gimped hard drive, I might want it. I want to play Tales of Vesperia and Lost Odyssey again damn it!
 
But often the server just won't go up at all. This wouldn't happen if they actually make the shop offline/within the game (aka separating it from the online shop where you have to use real money). So more often than not I can't be bothered trying to re-connect to the online server and just try to conserve ammo.

Well think about it this way, when EA kills the DS3 servers, DS3 will become "hard mode". lol
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Their take is because they aren't forced to have it online they don't. If we force them, they will.

Simple as that.

But what if some people can't "force" ISPs to build broadband in their area? Or ISPs without bandwidth limits.
 
wow I'm late to this thread, but



but if they don't have BC, a new console is a fresh start - best time to persuade people to switch platforms before your friends have a critical mass in one camp or the other.

Its not like its a bank account, signing up for a PSN account is just an email address and you're done.

I agree. I have no allegiance one way or the other. This past generation I loved the 360 and thought my PS3 was, for the most part, a mismanaged piece of shit. But from the information I have so far, I'm fully onboard for PS4.
 

x-Lundz-x

Member
But what if some people can't "force" ISPs to build broadband in their area? Or ISPs without bandwidth limits.

Well this is my take on it. Roughly what, 70% of Xbox 360's are online right? I think MS's take on the matter is most of the other consoles that are not online are probably in people's back rooms or something like that and they are not hooked up because they are not forced to do so to work. These people most likely have some kind of broadband in the house.

The majority of America does have access to to some type of broadband, even if it sucks. So MS is basically saying well we will have an always online console no matter what. The people who did not hook up on the 360 will be forced to now and will just find a way to get it connected. The (few in MS eyes) people that are physically incapable of getting it connected in any way shape or form, well sorry get internet and then call us back.

It's a shitty take, but that is what I seriously think is going through MS head honchos right now.
 

Brinbe

Member
HAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA MS

Someone get rid of Ballmer and the rest of the idiots leading that company right now. They are killing it.
 

MAX PAYMENT

Member
Sony demonstrated that people are dumb enough to spend $599 on a launch console. So if they do it, it may work. But only briefly.
 

ido

Member
Imagine the fighting game community trying to organize an event using the next Xbacks. That hotel internet better be pretty fantastic lol
 
But what if some people can't "force" ISPs to build broadband in their area? Or ISPs without bandwidth limits.

If they don't have broadband, they couldn't even play Xbox 1 online. Broadband has always been a requirement of XBL.

I also think a big reason a lot of 360s aren't connected was that they didn't have built in WiFi until the Slim model IIRC.
 

Steroyd

Member
If you want to buy resources yeah. There are two ways you can do this, by using the dockets you earn within the game (via your search bots) or using your real money. EA being greedy decides to combine the two into one shop, possibly hoping that you'll be tempted to just spend real money instead of relying on the bots to find dockets for you.

But often the server just won't go up at all. This wouldn't happen if they actually make the shop offline/within the game (aka separating it from the online shop where you have to use real money). So more often than not I can't be bothered trying to re-connect to the online server and just try to conserve ammo.

The fuck!?

I hope they're not doing this on the console versions, because that's just vile, thankfully I'm still playing through the first one, but everytime I hear about DS3 it doesn't make me want to pick it up, even on the cheap. :(
 
Is it just me or are these xbox rumor threads being built with more and more nonsense? It sounds like this guy is just guessing on things he's read on the internet or heard in person.

are we really reducing Paul Thurrott to 'this person'? Look, no one wants him to be right here, but 'this person' has a pretty solid record on being right about Microsoft rumors. That's why his name is in the thread title right next to where it says RUMOR. a MS rumor coming from Paul Thurrott has a lot more weight that most any other rumor source you could name.

lets not let how much we wish this to be false trample all over that.
 
They must look over at Apple selling iPads like crazy for $500 and wonder, "how can they get away with that?" A $500 launch-price would be a huge, huge mistake. Bad for the whole business, just as Sony's PS3 launch-price was a disaster they (Sony) never fully recovered from.

It's easy to make a cascade of mistakes and have the whole thing fall apart. If even half the rumors are true between cost, always online and this dumb Kinect thing, MS is primed for catastrophe.

We just want games. A console with a good solid controller (MS nailed the 360s) and good construction (MS failed) and good next-gen games - at a reasonable price. Yeah, Netflix is cool, Hulu... but take the rest of the crap and shove it.
 

KageMaru

Member
are we really reducing Paul Thurrott to 'this person'? Look, no one wants him to be right here, but 'this person' has a pretty solid record on being right about Microsoft rumors. That's why his name is in the thread title right next to where it says RUMOR. a MS rumor coming from Paul Thurrott has a lot more weight that most any other rumor source you could name.

lets not let how much we wish this to be false trample all over that.

I'm not trying to reduce anyone or dismiss anything. I'm also not trying to argue that I have better sources than anyone.

There was just a lot of "I think" and "I don't know" in that OP for me to put much faith in it. I'm long past the realization that it may happen, but his comments really don't sway me in either direction.
 

elty

Member
XBOX 720: Always online game console that does not let you play online multiplier without separate XBL Gold purchase.
 

ascii42

Member
If they don't have broadband, they couldn't even play Xbox 1 online. Broadband has always been a requirement of XBL.

I also think a big reason a lot of 360s aren't connected was that they didn't have built in WiFi until the Slim model IIRC.

Definitely part of it. I didn't have my 360 connected to XBOX Live very often when I was in college. If it had built in Wi-Fi, I would have.
 
are we really reducing Paul Thurrott to 'this person'? Look, no one wants him to be right here, but 'this person' has a pretty solid record on being right about Microsoft rumors. That's why his name is in the thread title right next to where it says RUMOR. a MS rumor coming from Paul Thurrott has a lot more weight that most any other rumor source you could name.

lets not let how much we wish this to be false trample all over that.

Also, apply his dependability "weight" across all of his statements equally. He is easily more believable than a lot of other "insiders" and he says that nothing he is looking at is negative to him and that everything he has seen is very positive. I realize that he is mostly pro MS, but I think he comes off as a very bright individual that speaks truthfully.
 
Just to point out the obvious, even the Roku will function offline. You can still stream files from your local network and play files from a usb stick. Hell you can even play angry birds on the thing!
 
I don't mind the $500 price. Give me awesome hardware that is reliable (ideally better than PS4, yes I know... wishful thinking) with great multimedia features and I'll gladly pay the $499!
 

RetroStu

Banned
Does anyone else find it strange that pretty much every rumour that comes out about the 720 seems to be bad or negative?, its almost like somethings going on that we don't know about.
 

Heysoos

Member
Does anyone else find it strange that pretty much every rumour that comes out about the 720 seems to be bad or negative?, its almost like somethings going on that we don't know about.

That's because the vast majority of rumors are pointing to DRM. It was first no used games, then always online. A lot of people don't like that. It's a shitty thing to implement on a console, especially when one of it's direct competitors isn't doing these shitty things that hurt consumers more than anything.
 

dorkimoe

Gold Member
People complaining about a 499$ console when the ps3 launched at 599$ how many years ago?

thats cheaper than most tablets too, ill take one please
 

Tratorn

Member
Does anyone else find it strange that pretty much every rumour that comes out about the 720 seems to be bad or negative?, its almost like somethings going on that we don't know about.

Well, it could be kind of good for them. :p
If noone has any expectations from them anymore, they can more easily impress the people even if they just get rid of of some rumours and show good games.
 

BigDug13

Member
But WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?!

Because they don't have to sell as many consoles to become as profitable. If you're always online and connected to their advertising machine, if you purchase television shows and movies from Microsoft's own store, you're providing more revenue to them than if they sold 2x the number of consoles because they don't really make money on the hardware sale, and they don't really care about having you as a customer if they can't advertise to you.
 
PS3 also launched with a $499 model.

I love how some people still pretend that they shipped more than the minimum amount of 20 gig units to advertise the system as being 'from $499' dollars. there's a big difference with the high end model being $499 and the low end model being $499 too.
 

FStop7

Banned
Imagine the fighting game community trying to organize an event using the next Xbacks. That hotel internet better be pretty fantastic lol

We already see how problematic it is in SC2 tournaments. The number of dropped games during winter MLG was terrible.
 

BigDug13

Member
I love how some people still pretend that they shipped more than the minimum amount of 20 gig units to advertise the system as being 'from $499' dollars. there's a big difference with the high end model being $499 and the low end model being $499 too.

Let's not pretend that people were happy about Sony's pricing. Lets not also pretend like they had good sales because of it. They had shit sales because of it and it was $600 because Blu-ray was incredibly expensive at the time. What's the excuse now? Sony's $599 blunder was exactly that, a blunder. That doesn't mean you become a corporate apologist when MS tries to do the same thing 7 years later.

Sony's $599 wasn't them setting the standard of what a console should cost, far from it. And the real reason Microsoft was the winner for so long is because they had the cheapest console. And what happened when Sony's machine finally became around the same price as the Xbox? Sales became more even. A $499 console launch will equal another slow trickle of sales just like it did before.

360 started out at $300 and $400. But let's be real, $400 was the price because you need a HDD. But not $500. That won't fly this time.
 
Let's not pretend that people were happy about Sony's pricing. Lets not also pretend like they had good sales because of it. They had shit sales because of it and it was $600 because Blu-ray was incredibly expensive at the time. What's the excuse now? Sony's $599 blunder was exactly that, a blunder. That doesn't mean you become a corporate apologist when MS tries to do the same thing 7 years later.

who is pretending people were happy with Sony's pricing or that it brought them good sales?

Microsoft aren't launching a console at $600. Sony practically paper launched a console at $500 just so that they could advertise their console as being available 'from $499' when we all knew it was really $600.

I'm a consumer, I'd like cheaper. I'm not going to call foul until we know the details of the subscription model, but expect to see the next Xbox advertised as being 'from $300', and expect to actually be able to walk into a store and buy one.

Will it sell with this pricing model and with these features? I have no idea... but if we're trying to say it's a similar situation to the PS3's launch pricing... well that's nonsense.

And I'm fully expecting to buy a PS4 and not the new Xbox this year.

The excuse is going to likely be Kinect 2, which just like Blu-Ray won't be something everyone wants.
 

Takuya

Banned
$500 is not the same as $600. Both consoles will be in that $500 range at launch, there's no way around it.
http://allthingsd.com/20130221/seve...-following-the-playstation-4-event/?mod=tweet
Will the new console cost $599 to start?
I certainly hope not. I think we’re very proud of what we delivered with the PlayStation 3 in terms of technology, and that we were able to enhance the features while still reducing the price to $249. But I think our goal with this is to debut at a more consumer-friendly price. But we haven’t made any final decisions about what the price will be at launch.

I say $400-450
 

Ensoul

Member
We can debate which system is worth the price but at this point though doesn't everybody expect to pay between 500-600 bucks for the next gen of Sony and Microsoft systems? I know I am not expecting either system to sell for less than $500.00
 
We can debate which system is worth the price but at this point though doesn't everybody expect to pay between 500-600 bucks for the next gen of Sony and Microsoft systems? I know I am not expecting either system to sell for less than $500.00

You obviously missed all the "what price you would pay" threads.
Most people expect the consoles to be under 500.
 
MS schedules meeting with advertisers:

Ladies and Gentlemen we would like to introduce the most effective avenue for advertisement since the television. With the next Xbox every user will be connected 100% of the time. This coupled with our brand new Kinect that has the ability to determine exactly who the user and participants are will allow you to target key demographics in a manner more focused and strategically placed then ever before.

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I'm guessing this $99 360 is going to be powered by the 32nm SOC "Oban" that has been rumored by several sources.

I was looking up Oban on linkedin today and its very real-- a couple of people have it on their profiles. But I'm not sure if Oban was ever pegged as an Xbox 360 chip before. Only that it was PPC based. I guess Oban could also be how they get Backwards compatibility into Durango.
 

gohepcat

Banned
Can someone here explain why they ever thought the Xbox 720 would have BC?

We have known it's going to be x86 for a while now. How in the world would it have BC?
 
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