rakkadakka
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Snark aside, I haven't had an issue with Live connectivity.
Even if it went down for almost two weeks at the beginning of this gen, that hasn't been repeated since.
Waiting for more things to be informed upon of course.
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[RUMOR] Paul Thurrott: Xbox 720 is expensive: $500 or $300 for sub model, 5/21 Unveil
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Snark aside, I haven't had an issue with Live connectivity.
Even if it went down for almost two weeks at the beginning of this gen, that hasn't been repeated since.
Waiting for more things to be informed upon of course.
Take it back to where you bought it?
That already sounds (sight unseen) intolerable.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?!
RPGCrazied
Member
The only thing I might be interested is the $99 360. If that is not behind a live subscription or a very gimped hard drive, I might want it. I want to play Tales of Vesperia and Lost Odyssey again damn it!
fatgamecat
Member
Well think about it this way, when EA kills the DS3 servers, DS3 will become "hard mode". lol
Their take is because they aren't forced to have it online they don't. If we force them, they will.
Simple as that.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But what if some people can't "force" ISPs to build broadband in their area? Or ISPs without bandwidth limits.
PoweredBySoy
Banned
I agree. I have no allegiance one way or the other. This past generation I loved the 360 and thought my PS3 was, for the most part, a mismanaged piece of shit. But from the information I have so far, I'm fully onboard for PS4.
Well this is my take on it. Roughly what, 70% of Xbox 360's are online right? I think MS's take on the matter is most of the other consoles that are not online are probably in people's back rooms or something like that and they are not hooked up because they are not forced to do so to work. These people most likely have some kind of broadband in the house.
The majority of America does have access to to some type of broadband, even if it sucks. So MS is basically saying well we will have an always online console no matter what. The people who did not hook up on the 360 will be forced to now and will just find a way to get it connected. The (few in MS eyes) people that are physically incapable of getting it connected in any way shape or form, well sorry get internet and then call us back.
It's a shitty take, but that is what I seriously think is going through MS head honchos right now.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
I'll go where ever the RPG's are. If PS4 isn't always online (I don't think it's been confirmed to be the case yet) it will only make the decision even easier.
Then MS doesn't consider you a worthy customer.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Sony demonstrated that people are dumb enough to spend $599 on a launch console. So if they do it, it may work. But only briefly.
Iced_Eagle
Member
If they don't have broadband, they couldn't even play Xbox 1 online. Broadband has always been a requirement of XBL.
I also think a big reason a lot of 360s aren't connected was that they didn't have built in WiFi until the Slim model IIRC.
The fuck!?
I hope they're not doing this on the console versions, because that's just vile, thankfully I'm still playing through the first one, but everytime I hear about DS3 it doesn't make me want to pick it up, even on the cheap.
plagiarize
Banned
are we really reducing Paul Thurrott to 'this person'? Look, no one wants him to be right here, but 'this person' has a pretty solid record on being right about Microsoft rumors. That's why his name is in the thread title right next to where it says RUMOR. a MS rumor coming from Paul Thurrott has a lot more weight that most any other rumor source you could name.
lets not let how much we wish this to be false trample all over that.
Maybe in those weird places that spell rumour, colour, humour.
And BTW, my iPad is telling me those are wrong and trying to correct them. They're underlined in red right now.
Jacksonlee
Member
Maybe in those weird places that spell rumour, colour, humour.
And BTW, my iPad is telling me those are wrong and trying to correct them. They're underlined in red right now.
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Micromegas
Member
They must look over at Apple selling iPads like crazy for $500 and wonder, "how can they get away with that?" A $500 launch-price would be a huge, huge mistake. Bad for the whole business, just as Sony's PS3 launch-price was a disaster they (Sony) never fully recovered from.
It's easy to make a cascade of mistakes and have the whole thing fall apart. If even half the rumors are true between cost, always online and this dumb Kinect thing, MS is primed for catastrophe.
We just want games. A console with a good solid controller (MS nailed the 360s) and good construction (MS failed) and good next-gen games - at a reasonable price. Yeah, Netflix is cool, Hulu... but take the rest of the crap and shove it.
It's easy to make a cascade of mistakes and have the whole thing fall apart. If even half the rumors are true between cost, always online and this dumb Kinect thing, MS is primed for catastrophe.
We just want games. A console with a good solid controller (MS nailed the 360s) and good construction (MS failed) and good next-gen games - at a reasonable price. Yeah, Netflix is cool, Hulu... but take the rest of the crap and shove it.
I'm not trying to reduce anyone or dismiss anything. I'm also not trying to argue that I have better sources than anyone.
There was just a lot of "I think" and "I don't know" in that OP for me to put much faith in it. I'm long past the realization that it may happen, but his comments really don't sway me in either direction.
Definitely part of it. I didn't have my 360 connected to XBOX Live very often when I was in college. If it had built in Wi-Fi, I would have.
grosvenor_92
Member
If any of that is true I'll stick to pc and maybe buy a ps4 depending on how much it costs
Alx
Member
I didn't even think about that. Good point. Especially considering how the wifi adapter was overpriced.
Tripp Daily
Member
Also, apply his dependability "weight" across all of his statements equally. He is easily more believable than a lot of other "insiders" and he says that nothing he is looking at is negative to him and that everything he has seen is very positive. I realize that he is mostly pro MS, but I think he comes off as a very bright individual that speaks truthfully.
BlastProcessing
Member
Just to point out the obvious, even the Roku will function offline. You can still stream files from your local network and play files from a usb stick. Hell you can even play angry birds on the thing!
AstroNut325
Member
I don't mind the $500 price. Give me awesome hardware that is reliable (ideally better than PS4, yes I know... wishful thinking) with great multimedia features and I'll gladly pay the $499!
That's because the vast majority of rumors are pointing to DRM. It was first no used games, then always online. A lot of people don't like that. It's a shitty thing to implement on a console, especially when one of it's direct competitors isn't doing these shitty things that hurt consumers more than anything.
Well, it could be kind of good for them.
If noone has any expectations from them anymore, they can more easily impress the people even if they just get rid of of some rumours and show good games.
Zombie James
Banned
PS3 also launched with a $499 model.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
You're either being funny or becoming quite annoying.
Because they don't have to sell as many consoles to become as profitable. If you're always online and connected to their advertising machine, if you purchase television shows and movies from Microsoft's own store, you're providing more revenue to them than if they sold 2x the number of consoles because they don't really make money on the hardware sale, and they don't really care about having you as a customer if they can't advertise to you.
plagiarize
Banned
I love how some people still pretend that they shipped more than the minimum amount of 20 gig units to advertise the system as being 'from $499' dollars. there's a big difference with the high end model being $499 and the low end model being $499 too.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Is anybody stupid enough to launch at $500?
Let's not pretend that people were happy about Sony's pricing. Lets not also pretend like they had good sales because of it. They had shit sales because of it and it was $600 because Blu-ray was incredibly expensive at the time. What's the excuse now? Sony's $599 blunder was exactly that, a blunder. That doesn't mean you become a corporate apologist when MS tries to do the same thing 7 years later.
Sony's $599 wasn't them setting the standard of what a console should cost, far from it. And the real reason Microsoft was the winner for so long is because they had the cheapest console. And what happened when Sony's machine finally became around the same price as the Xbox? Sales became more even. A $499 console launch will equal another slow trickle of sales just like it did before.
360 started out at $300 and $400. But let's be real, $400 was the price because you need a HDD. But not $500. That won't fly this time.
plagiarize
Banned
who is pretending people were happy with Sony's pricing or that it brought them good sales?
Microsoft aren't launching a console at $600. Sony practically paper launched a console at $500 just so that they could advertise their console as being available 'from $499' when we all knew it was really $600.
I'm a consumer, I'd like cheaper. I'm not going to call foul until we know the details of the subscription model, but expect to see the next Xbox advertised as being 'from $300', and expect to actually be able to walk into a store and buy one.
Will it sell with this pricing model and with these features? I have no idea... but if we're trying to say it's a similar situation to the PS3's launch pricing... well that's nonsense.
And I'm fully expecting to buy a PS4 and not the new Xbox this year.
The excuse is going to likely be Kinect 2, which just like Blu-Ray won't be something everyone wants.
$500 is not the same as $600. Both consoles will be in that $500 range at launch, there's no way around it.
dragonelite
Member
If the hardware is right and always online is like on my mobile phone where i can still play angry birds when connection fails. Sure give me a beast $500 console.
Dreamgazer
Member
You obviously missed all the "what price you would pay" threads.
Most people expect the consoles to be under 500.
BruceLeeRoy
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MS schedules meeting with advertisers:
Ladies and Gentlemen we would like to introduce the most effective avenue for advertisement since the television. With the next Xbox every user will be connected 100% of the time. This coupled with our brand new Kinect that has the ability to determine exactly who the user and participants are will allow you to target key demographics in a manner more focused and strategically placed then ever before.
Ladies and Gentlemen we would like to introduce the most effective avenue for advertisement since the television. With the next Xbox every user will be connected 100% of the time. This coupled with our brand new Kinect that has the ability to determine exactly who the user and participants are will allow you to target key demographics in a manner more focused and strategically placed then ever before.
infinityBCRT
Member
I was looking up Oban on linkedin today and its very real-- a couple of people have it on their profiles. But I'm not sure if Oban was ever pegged as an Xbox 360 chip before. Only that it was PPC based. I guess Oban could also be how they get Backwards compatibility into Durango.