The whole 'why would anyone want a dev kit then?' question fits wit this logic too. You'll want a kit if you want to make a native Xbox one game vs sandbox software.
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MS confirms indie program for XB1, was a big GamesCom surprise, angry at GI for leak
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The whole 'why would anyone want a dev kit then?' question fits wit this logic too. You'll want a kit if you want to make a native Xbox one game vs sandbox software.
digoutyoursoul
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Thinking the same, it seems like they are scrambling for point scoring at a time when these type of infrastructures should be set in stone.
They just said nothing. Everyone just assumed they would follow the pattern of the 360.
If they are damn near the same why would you not want to make more money?
SEGAvangelist
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Well it's more effective than releasing the news this way for people besides us for sure. Makes sense to me. Companies often hold news like this for trade shows conferences.
Wow
Except... they separated parts of the OS and make everything run in VMs. You don't do that for retail games. You do that when there could potentially be malicious code. Which heavily leans towards part of the design philosophy.
Pound_lb003
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Yeah, I think the writing is on the wall. A retail box =/= dev kit, unless it's paired down.
Still it might kickstart the Win8 store.
Got one!
Lord Azrael
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The amount of things Microsoft has been backtracking on lately is astounding... But I gotta admit, the ability to use any Xbox One as a dev kit is really exciting. I just hope they have a proper regulation system for this, otherwise XBLA could potentially be flooded by low quality games.
It was a different colour & region free. If you had the special memory card dongle, the tools etc ran on a regular PS1.
yeah but if they are not planning to have it in a separate storefront does it matter?
FranXico
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No indie store ghetto, but it dors sound a lot like a XNA style devkit for windows 8 apps. It would pretty much match what CBOAT said.
Hook. Line. Sinker.
soul creator
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"self-publishing" and "use retail console as a dev/debug/test/whatever kit" are technically two separate things. Self-publishing doesn't necessarily imply the latter (though using the retail console to develop on does imply the former). It could either be:
1) the small to moderately sized developer that has an office, full staff, etc., and can afford a devkit, but doesn't want a separate publisher, and wants to maintain control of their IP
2) the random person in their bedroom who just wants to mess around making Xbox One games by themselves without needing to get a bunch of money for a devkit. (basically, what XBLIG was already, but with discoverability improvements)
The announcement does seem to support 2), but I'm curious if 1) is also in the picture (which is where your Lorne Lannings would come in).
1) the small to moderately sized developer that has an office, full staff, etc., and can afford a devkit, but doesn't want a separate publisher, and wants to maintain control of their IP
2) the random person in their bedroom who just wants to mess around making Xbox One games by themselves without needing to get a bunch of money for a devkit. (basically, what XBLIG was already, but with discoverability improvements)
The announcement does seem to support 2), but I'm curious if 1) is also in the picture (which is where your Lorne Lannings would come in).
Acquiescence
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Well once we're past the removal of Kinect, I move on to the simple matter of exclusives that will sell the system for me. Currently there are none.
idrinkalone
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I'm more excited to see what apps can be made. Not really an indie gamer.
FranXico
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I hate that kind of self-flattering language too.
IHaveCandy
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Guys, just because they are Windows 8 app games does not mean they can't be displayed with rest of the Marketplace games on One. I'm guessing MS will put the top app games on the top, and the rest will be filtered with the rest of the bottom-feeding One games.
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BruceLeeRoy
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Yeah that is a brilliant idea on their part. Great news for MS and us.
Delusibeta
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My criticisms isn't just about the technical limitations (although if self-published games are forced to used only the stuff reserved for the OS, that's going to be a major problem), it's discover-ability and the concern that since we're talking about apps, Microsoft will shove them to their own Netflix-branded ghetto.
He's bending the truth. There is no way publishers will let massage apps have equal footing with their games. All WinRT apps (including everything self published) will be shoved to its own marketplace, mark my words.
Vigilant Gambit
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I'm gonna echo what Jonathan Blow said:
How cool this is depends entirely on a lot of information that we just don't have yet. For example, the some of the reasons why I ignored XBLIG:
Ghetto (basically, a marketplace completely ignored by Microsoft)
No achievements
Max price of $3
Nevermind the massive issues in trying to get a game published on XBLA proper.
How cool this is depends entirely on a lot of information that we just don't have yet. For example, the some of the reasons why I ignored XBLIG:
Ghetto (basically, a marketplace completely ignored by Microsoft)
No achievements
Max price of $3
Nevermind the massive issues in trying to get a game published on XBLA proper.
Gemüsepizza
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I remain sceptical. I want to know how much of the power devs can use, and it seems strange that this is not ready for launch when they say they have been planing this for a long time...
"a leap backwards to the PS4"? Really?
I think people are beyond this point, most are probably laughing. You cry when you care about something.
"a leap backwards to the PS4"? Really?
I think people are beyond this point, most are probably laughing. You cry when you care about something.
How is this not good for indies?
Yeah, there's nothing salty about his statement. He's just reiterating what we all know: Sony's being indie friendly isn't a "policy," it's a genuine understanding.
They would want to make more money, however your assumption that they are damn near identical has no weight since we don't know the details.
LukasTaves
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Its definitely not.
This has a memory restriction, but allows for far more resources to be available to developers. It's also a framework already support by some of the major indie players like Unreal Engine/UDK and Unity.
They have just confirmed that indie games will have access to the cloud, kinect and xbox live, none of which were available to xblig on 360.
And finally, they stated yet again that there will be no segregation based on the type of the games, Games released by indies will be exposed like games from publishers.
I can deal with self-flattering. I mean lord knows we've all had to get used to it from reading years of PR releases.
But this isn't a "vision". It's a response. And it's good that they are doing it, rather than not, but it's a response to consumer pressure and to an overwhelmingly more well received competitor striking the iron first.
Microsoft's "vision" involved the likes of always online internet, 24-hour "phone home", always online Kinect, pre-owned restrictions and no self publishing. And if they could get away with that, they'd still be doing it. Their vision was unsustainable and they've had to change it. But spare us the fucking bullshit please, MS.
TheRealTalker
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It's surreal to see the MS mouthpieces like Kevin Dent on Twitter talking about how MS has been planning this since 2011.
And then finding out it won't be in the system at launch.
Who is this Kevin dent guy and why does he hold MS in such a holy grail? seriously just look at his posts
blahatthat
Banned
Quiet, which makes me think they were going to follow the same rules as the XBOX 360.
Which ones have you sold on PS4 at launch?
LiquidMetal14
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BOOM.
I hate using that but seeing as how some used in this thread, it seems appropriate.
I want to know the fine details before going on the completely good news brigade.
We can go around the world with this with both platforms. PS4 has as many compelling exclusives as Xbone. This may be hard to deal with but some have different tastes
Not a day goes by where I don't regret buying his game.
Delusibeta
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$10 says this will prove to be false. They are going to separate WinRT apps and "proper" Xbone games to their own marketplaces, mark my words.
In the same way XBLIG was not good for indies, essentially.
It might be fine for some games and their developers.
For others this would be like inviting them to come compete with their 'partner publishers' while tying one hand behind their back. Or two.
People are confusing their own narrative for Microsoft's directive. What else is new?
Yeah...business wise I can see them doing this.
You can't actually do that though if you want a game to utilize the full hardware.
For instance, Xbox One debug/devkits have 12GB of ram in them and higher specs. PS4 debug kits have the same higher specs. You need this in order to target the retail systems.
Vita is able to turn into a dev kit because the PS Mobile program doesn't allow full access to the Vita specs. XBLIG is the same way, allowing to turn the 360 into a dev kit because indies don't have full access to the hardware.
For MS to turn an Xbox One into a dev kit means that hardware access for indies is paired down. Which could mean two things: (a) you would need to buy a devkit to harness the full power of XB1, or (b) this is evidence that MS is going to turn this into a back door Window 8 Apps program where you have to publish across multiple platforms, which means access to the full XB1 hardware is not allowed (and CBOATs rumor comes true).
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