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AMD: PlayStation 4 supports hUMA, Xbox One does not
- Thread starter ElTorro
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Every game should look better on ps4 compared to xbone just like Xbox to ps2. Unlike ps360 where some games ran better on difference system.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Probably more like PS2 vs GameCube.
ethomaz
Banned
I think the addiction of the eSRAM interferes in how the hUMA works but I can't be wrong.
Krisprolls
Banned
Well, didn't MS state : "We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics. We targeted it more as a broad entertainment play." earlier this year ?
If so, how would it be a surprise if there's a big performance gap ?
If so, how would it be a surprise if there's a big performance gap ?
Backfoggen
Banned
Will care if I see games looking significantly better on PS4.
Ok, I thought that was nothing special in GCN. The white paper speaks of them in plural: http://www.amd.com/us/Documents/GCN_Architecture_whitepaper.pdf But I am no expert on GCN, so I assume you're right.
longdi
Banned
I think this is off the records on the floor talks.
Devs been devs, are geeks who are excited about good tech.
Vestal
Gold Member
I beg to differ. You are the supplier for both companies for products that have not even shipped yet. Even worse you are shitting on a partner that have their fingers on your other lifeblood which is the PC market.
I wouldn't be surprised to see MS going Intel in future hardware, and may see some repercussions of this in the PC end of things.
It is really a horrible business move on AMDs part, wouldn't be surprised if whoever said this gets shitcanned over it.
Microsoft could make AMDs life a living hell
But Xbax one has the cloud. Cloud > ∞
Shitting, how? This is what the partner paid for. Are MS unhappy with what they asked for now?
Maybe AMD realizes the PC market is withering and the real volume in coming years in console and mobile markets.
Drama Queen much?
Vestal
Gold Member
to which I would say. Gluck with that.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
LOL, why would they?
AMD can say whatever they want about products they have designed. MS aren't going to do anything, in fact if they acknowledge it then it would confirm the story. Better just keeping quiet and letting it go away. Which it will.
It's going to be interesting to see third-party games.
When Jack Tretton was asked on the GTTV E3 Show about why Sony isn't trumpeting the power of their console more, Tretton said that he wants the games to speak for themselves.
When pushed, he said just talk to our third party partners and ask them on which platform their games look better on.
Everything we've seen in terms of raw specs, heard from sources like this, and noticed in terms of who is using PS4 or PC to show off their games, it appears that PS4 is running even these launch games better.
Assassin's Creed was actually running on a PS4 devkit at E3 and on stage. Even though it messed up, Ubisoft was confident in showing their game off to the press in that way.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
And there's the catch.
Aside from that, I still don't believe third parties are going to spend the time to make PS4 games look better. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. Would be fantastic.
shadowsdarknes
Member
That would be infuriating to know that the PS4 version was purposely gimped because of a moneyhat. But with MS, who knows.
Take turns profiting from both. There hasn't been a giant jump in single monitor 1080p gaming on pcs in the last 4 years or so. I bet when there's a new engine or must have games the ball will be back in the pc gaming Court and people will need to upgrade
Vestal
Gold Member
they wouldn't have to say anything.
Microsoft has proven in the past that they can be pretty vindictive. Not one of their finer qualities.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I would highly doubt any payments from MS. There are anti-trust implications if MS pay off a bunch of publishers and collude to hobble their competitor's product. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
As for taking advantage of the extra power, even if developers do literally nothing, it will result in increase FPS on PS4.
Tbh, there is not a lot that MS can do now, the market is moving on from Wintel to other forms of computing, and while I don't doubt the Wintel decline will be slow and drawn out, AMD have nothing to fear from MS in terms of retribution.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
It's no surprise to most people except those that choose to ignore what MS, Sony, Devs and now AMD says. I just find it incredible that there are still people holding on to some vague notion that the cloud evens the playing field in any way whatsoever.
Everyone already knows the XBO is less powerful. They're not "shitting" on MS, they're explaining exactly why the PS4 is more powerful. Sony has bought into their design and has ordered the more expensive AMD chips and has signed on to their hUMA committee. They're simply more of a partner to AMD than MS. MS is just going with AMD because Nvidia burned them so badly that they basically have no other choice.
How would Microsoft make their life a living hell? Microsoft is coming out with their own PR guys saying the PS4 is weak sauce. AMD is trying to promote the value in their hUMA design and one of their partners is calling their hUMA spec'd console weaker. Are they just supposed to stand there and take it?
kikonawa
Member
Its all about the budget
They decided to not invest in thr gpu as much and more to other sides of the Xone ecosystem
I think that if they are also making a PC version, I don't see why they wouldn't. They'd already have to target multiple power levels.
There's the catch? You think companies are going to purposefully gimp their games graphically, and performance wise, but changing code on the PS4 version because MS paid money? Seriously? Goddamn that's like the most cynical thing I've read in quite a while!
So what you're saying is that you are cluless about the current state of the GPU market.
Moving on...
Vestal
Gold Member
Remember what happened to Netscape?? I am not advocating anything like that. However they could see themselves being pushed aside from the PC space if MS decides to primarily cater to anything Intel wants.
KernelPanic
Member
Unless they're violating their contracts with Sony and/or MS, I think they can say what they want.
MaulerX
Member
Came to post the same thing. Very weird indeed. I can already smell some bad blood brewing behind the scenes.
Honest question though, is hUMA an AMD deveoped thing? Sounds like they might be honking their own horn here. I mean, the XB1 is more of a customized unit (with it's esRAM, Move Engines etc...). How does AMD know that Microsoft might have a lesser, equal or better performing system not called hUMA?
Stealth_Cobra
Member
They say hUMA is made of HUMANNN BRAINS !!! As I zombie, I approve.
It's already becoming apparent! I have yet to see anything on Xbone that looks as good as Second Son and that's a launch title. What do you think is going to happen when The Order: 1886 or Uncharted 4 come out?
That sounds like a company I wouldn't want to support to me. I was a huge Xbox fan for two generations but they've reminded me of that Netscape squashing company lately.
Is it confirmed that AMD said anything?
BritBloke916
Member
Microsoft is not in the business of designing microprocessors; they were AMD's client, as was Sony. Microsoft told AMD what they wanted and AMD designed it for them. The idea that AMD wouldn't know something about the APU which they themselves designed is pretty nuts.
I have yet to see anything on XBO that touches that Killzone:SF footage released yesterday. I went from being pretty lukewarm on that game to ordering it Day One. That looked goddamned amazing.
SniperHunter
Banned
but Xbone has 50 MHz GPU clock upgrade!!!
BritBloke916
Member
Alas no. But it won't be too long to wait.
It sounds like it could be quite significant for multi-platform titles.
DF articles would read like this:
X1 version of the game is running stable 24fps which makes it very cinematic while PS4 version is running at 60fps which killed the cinematic feel of the game. the addition of more textures of grass, rocks and the dynamic lightning of PS4 version makes an unneeded addition to the environment and makes the game very crowded. X1 version in the other hand retained a simplistic design approach with fewer textures and baked lightning which makes it our favorite version.
just wait and see.