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Media Create Sales: Week 47, 2013 (Nov 18 - Nov 24)

braves01

Banned
You say that but New Super Mario Bros U and Pikmin both look like HD remakes. I know a lot of Nintendo fans could point out the differences but to the general gaming public, that's exactly what they look like.

The updated Wii Sports also looks like one of the laziest HD ports ever and yet Nintendo are still charging a premium price for it.

People are fed up with it. And this time they have decided to vote with their wallet.



It wouldn't matter. Folks are simply not interested in what Nintendo has to offer in the console space.

I think there's got to be a better explanation than Wii u titles look like HD remakes to joe consumer. If they did, then ps4 and Xbone would've sold horribly too since most of those games look iterative HD+ upgrades.

I think tablets and mobiles are just seriously eating into what was formerly Nintendo's piece of the pie at this point.
 
when nintendo rereleases all their wii u games on 4ds nobody will notice that they're old games
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it's all according to keikaku
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Indeed.

Want a Mario game? 3DS has one.
Want a Mario Kart game? 3DS version is out already.
Want a Super Smash Bros. game? It's coming for 3DS.
Want a Zelda game? 3DS has a new one that's pretty good.

And, here in the USA, anyway, consumers can get a 2DS, 3D Land, Mario Kart, and Zelda combined for less than the initial cost of the WiiU hardware.

Nintendo will still make its money, just not on the console side. 3DS delivers a quality Nintendo experience for less money and its portability means that you can enjoy it anywhere.


Bingo.
 

marc^o^

Nintendo's Pro Bono PR Firm
Might not be that impressive right now, but 3D World will have legs.
100K is unimpressive knowing how good the game is, but it's not that bad either. With the image deficit Wii U had until recently, I'm afraid it can only be a slow burner.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
Wow, I thought the new Mario game and U bundles were supposed to save the system?

Major bomb and it did nothing for hardware sales.
 

Kid Ying

Member
Question for you- what games are the kids talking about getting if they aren't interested in SM3D World? I'm confused what would get them excited about the system right now if SM3D World isn't it.
I think Vinnk already mentioned that the kids were more interested in taiko and 2d Mari.
 

Xater

Member
Smash Bros. 3DS > WiiU. Time for a WiiU TV @ £149.99 Yen equivalent.

I don't even think that's a bold statement. At least for Japan. A Smash Bros. you can play in multiplayer everywhere you go. Hell why would you buy it on the Wii U?
 

hachi

Banned
Not that it's much consolation, but at least the 3DS is looking good. Once again taking well over half of the dedicated gaming market. Perhaps it's time for a GameBoy Player for 3DS on Wii U. Your existing games on the TV. ...Except Vita TV doesn't give much hope there either.
 

Maedhros

Member
You mean advertising. :p

Though I seriously think the Vita TV is not really suited for Japan, but more for the west where it will be the PS4 streaming box.

*cries*

Yeah, I wanted to say marketing.

And I agree with your statement. I think it'll do better on the west.
 
Why Mario 3D World was destined to bomb:

New Super Mario Bros. Wii U - 638,755
Super Mario Sunshine - 789,989


Let that sink in. When you have Mario 2D selling like shit, it's hard to expect much from Mario 3D. And don't bet on legs either, it chart for more than usual, but not enough to turn things around.

Mario 3D World failed to sell systems, that's the biggest problem here. It was supposed to drive the install base.

Hopefully this sends a message to Nintendo, even Pikmin 3 resulted in a bigger bump (from 8k to 22k). X will probably sell more hardware too.

Like, stop whoring Mario and start working on different things.
 

emb

Member
He didn't. You can say Iwata is many things but stupid is not one of them. I just want to know what made him make such a big lie.
His comments on the forecast basically amounted to "Well, anything can happen". I think the idea is just that they'd prefer to wait and see how Christmas goes, then adjust afterwards at the next quarterly meeting.
 

Sendou

Member
His comments on the forecast basically amounted to "Well, anything can happen". I think the idea is just that they'd prefer to wait and see how Christmas goes, then adjust afterwards at the next quarterly meeting.

That's what I call lieing though. He made that forecast with being well aware that it was not going to happen. Everything can happen. That much is true but that isn't much of a way to base financial forecasts like these on.
 
Indeed.

Want a Mario game? 3DS has one.
Want a Mario Kart game? 3DS version is out already.
Want a Super Smash Bros. game? It's coming for 3DS.
Want a Zelda game? 3DS has a new one that's pretty good.

And, here in the USA, anyway, consumers can get a 2DS, 3D Land, Mario Kart, and Zelda combined for less than the initial cost of the WiiU hardware.

Nintendo will still make its money, just not on the console side. 3DS delivers a quality Nintendo experience for less money and its portability means that you can enjoy it anywhere.

So what perhaps then we are seeing here then is the opposite of the PS3/Vita/PSP situation in the West. People could already get their PS3 fix of CoDs/GoWs/Uncharteds/GTs etc rather than have to buy another system to play those games again. Like here we have loads of people who already own a Mario machine and therefore don't need another.
 

jeffers

Member
That's what I call lieing though. He made that forecast with being well aware that it was not going to happen. Everything can happen. That much is true but that isn't much of a way to base financial forecasts like these on.

he didnt make a new forecast though, he just didnt revise the old one yet. I can see the reasons for him to have done it and not have.
 

Taker666

Member
Indeed.

Want a Mario game? 3DS has one.
Want a Mario Kart game? 3DS version is out already.
Want a Super Smash Bros. game? It's coming for 3DS.
Want a Zelda game? 3DS has a new one that's pretty good.


And, here in the USA, anyway, consumers can get a 2DS, 3D Land, Mario Kart, and Zelda combined for less than the initial cost of the WiiU hardware.

Nintendo will still make its money, just not on the console side. 3DS delivers a quality Nintendo experience for less money and its portability means that you can enjoy it anywhere.

That's certainly a major issue for them. They did a much better job with the Wii and DS in having very different software for each machine (initially at least).

This time around there's more crossover. They need truly different titles on both machines..and truly different,original concepts to have a hope of attracting the casual consumer again. Having Smash Bros on the 3DS as well as Wii U is a disaster for Wii U. They shouldn't have even mentioned a 3DS version until the Wii U version had a chance to shine...as they are simply undermining sales of their own hardware and software.
 

Phatmac

Member
Guess Japanese people are too busy playing phone games? These numbers are horrifically low. Get your shit together, Japan.
 
100K is unimpressive knowing how good the game is, but it's not that bad either. With the image deficit Wii U had until recently, I'm afraid it can only be a slow burner.
106k and we don't have digital sales numbers. For the Wii U user base.... i think is not that bad. And 20k this week for the Wii U. I think most of those sales are based on this game alone.
 

crinale

Member
He didn't. You can say Iwata is many things but stupid is not one of them. I just want to know what made him make such a big lie.

3D World just might have a bigger impact outside of Japan though. First of all I think Japan is about the only region where NSMB2 sold more than 3D Land. Am I wrong here? Besides look at all the positive buzz 3D World got pretty much everywhere. I refuse to believe that all will go to waste.

IMO this is because announcing lower sales forecast for WiiU would affect stock immediately, that shareholders would never allow Iwata to do so.
But I know this is just a blatant conspiracy theory so I guess I should stop here.
 

BadWolf

Member
Curious as to how long Nintendo can continue to use the same IPs over and over until people just don't find them to be special any more.

Have they themselves even created a brand new IP for the 3DS or WiiU?

Vita isn't exactly on fire sales-wise but Sony is at least doing well with introducing original IPs for the thing (Gravity Daze, Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars, Tearaway etc.), they seem to be doing the same for PS4 as well.
 
I don't even think that's a bold statement. At least for Japan. A Smash Bros. you can play in multiplayer everywhere you go. Hell why would you buy it on the Wii U?

The WiiU lineup in a nutshell, including 3D World. Their machine is overpriced and all it's games might as well be confused with their 3DS/Wii predecessors. The WiiU strategy might as well come from a kid who had his first economics class. Look up what sold the most before and copy it. Hence, the WiiU has no identity and no reason to be bought instead of a 3DS, which has the same experiences more affordable and much more to offer outside of that. And that is true not only for Japan, but globally. Sure DK sold more than Prime, but the WiiUs perception would rather improve with another title from Retro whose exact same experience you can't get in a 3DS port that's not even a year old. Same goes for Mario which should have followed the series' legacy with new concepts instead of making another 3DS sequel (with cats) just because it had a strong start 2 years ago.
 

Kid Ying

Member
People should stop saying about download numbers. For what we know, the usual download numbers aren't realy high on the Wiiu and even if Mario is one of the top sellers of the charts, something like 10k is already enough to do it.
 
Why would you want the only successful platform for Nintendo right now to not exist? That won't magically make the Wii U an appealing product, though it may make the software available for it more appealing due to the fact that they won't share games.

3DS is keeping them alive but the thing is I don't play the thing as much as I play my Wii U

Animal Crossing New Leaf kept me on it for about 5 months

Animal Crossing U should be coming winter 2014 or early 2015

maybe having the same account on both platforms will help me use my 3DS more but every time I see a game I want to play on 3DS I wish I had access to it on my gamepad too

everyone is focused on Wii U failure not 3DS success so people say Nintendo is doing badly I am so tempted by the Zelda gold/black 3DS right now if I make that trip to TARGET it would be my 3rd 3DS so really don't take me all that seriously as if I hate the platform it is just not where I would like to play my games
 
Curious as to how long Nintendo can continue to use the same IPs over and over until people just don't find them to be special any more.

Have they themselves even created a brand new IP for the 3DS or WiiU?

Vita isn't exactly on fire sales-wise but Sony is at least doing well with introducing original IPs for the thing (Gravity Daze, Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars, Tearaway etc.), they seem to be doing the same for PS4 as well.

Actually plenty of them. But i won´t even bother listing them here because they "don´t count™"
 

NateDrake

Member
Curious as to how long Nintendo can continue to use the same IPs over and over until people just don't find them to be special any more.

Have they themselves even created a brand new IP for the 3DS or WiiU?

Vita isn't exactly on fire sales-wise but Sony is at least doing well with introducing original IPs for the thing (Gravity Daze, Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars, Tearaway etc.), they seem to be doing the same for PS4 as well.

Nintendo Land and Wonderful 101 on Wii U.
 

Radec

Member
So, Super Mario 3d World is considered bullshit??

No, the WiiU is.

Sure the first party games are getting there and gets better and better by the looks of it, but ever wonder why it is still selling like this? Its the console itself.

Its like most people got really turned off from what they've seen in the first year of the console and Nintendo only did a little job to try to re-gain them. Which so far haven't been a success yet.

Its like T-Mac making a comeback in the NBA last season. lol
 
That's certainly a major issue for them. They did a much better job with the Wii and DS in having very different software for each machine (initially at least).

This time around there's more crossover. They need truly different titles on both machines..and truly different,original concepts to have a hope of attracting the casual consumer again. Having Smash Bros on the 3DS as well as Wii U is a disaster for Wii U. They shouldn't have even mentioned a 3DS version until the Wii U version had a chance to shine...as they are simply undermining sales of their own hardware and software.

The path Nintendo is going down with a unified architecture structure between their handheld and console systems suggest that there will be even more cross platform games.
 

crinale

Member
Guess Japanese people are too busy playing phone games? These numbers are horrifically low. Get your shit together, Japan.

Most gamers, especially Nintendo fans, are still playing MH4 and Pokemon.
Sometimes it wont'be too healthy for the industry that sales giants allows people to pour in few hundred hours of grinding.
The exact same happened when MHP3 was released back in winter, 2010.
 

NeonZ

Member
I think there's got to be a better explanation than Wii u titles look like HD remakes to joe consumer. If they did, then ps4 and Xbone would've sold horribly too since most of those games look iterative HD+ upgrades.

I think tablets and mobiles are just seriously eating into what was formerly Nintendo's piece of the pie at this point.

You need to consider the audience that each one is going for. Last gen, Nintendo chose to appeal to an audience that didn't care about HD graphics, and now suddenly completely changed their message and expected people to just follow them. So, the visual and gameplay familiarity of the titles just make them pointless to a large part of their audience.

Meanwhile, they didn't change enough to appeal to people that didn't care about them before. They just worried about matching the PS3 and 360, rather than going beyond that, so their new visuals also don't appeal to Core/early adopters, PS3 and 360 owners looking for a new visual experience.

And the casual market on home consoles basically collapsed too, and they refused to accept that during the entire lead up to launch (where the market didn't show interest in Nintendo's console) and first year of the Wii U, still talking about bringing them back.
 

marc^o^

Nintendo's Pro Bono PR Firm
Having Smash Bros on the 3DS as well as Wii U is a disaster for Wii U. They shouldn't have even mentioned a 3DS version until the Wii U version had a chance to shine...as they are simply undermining sales of their own hardware and software.
I think they will release Wii U's version first. Besides if they include an interesting cross content, it could be an incentive to get a Wii U. At last they could/should create a bundle with a Wii U and Smash Bros: both Wii U and 3DS copies.
 

Maedhros

Member
I hope Nintendo releases a Metroid... for 3DS. I won't hope for a Metroid on Wii U, since it'll bomba anyways. At least on the 3DS, it'll sell better.
 

Cygnus X-1

Member
Just posting because this is somehow unprecedented. Nintendo's home system ecosystem totally collapsed. I don't think many actually realize how crazy is this scenario. Even by considering Wii was based on casual audience - going from 100+ million system sold to....few millions is incredible.

It's obviously the combination of many factors, that reinforce each other negatively, including (a) price and little flexibility in dropping it; (b) lack of games; (c) long times between major releases; (d) total lack of third parties; (e) lack of proper online infrastructure; (f) lack of a major interest in the tablet, since tables are everywhere around us; (g) bad word of mouth by gamers and press; (h) lack of proper marketing; (i) confusion because of the name - people think it's a Wii extension somehow; (l) lack of innovation - the system doesn't bring anything interesting or different like, e.g. the Wiimote (this point is particularly incredible - coming from Nintendo especially).

Nintendo made all possible mistakes that could have been made - I can understand gambling on some of these factors, but hitting the negative target on each single of them is a total lack of proper R&D consumer research and system development. It's lack of professional attitude. Wii U was launched on the hype of the iPad and not considering the volatility and competition of is latter market, where everything gets copied really fast, consumer changes product every year and innovation vanish so quickly. Not a good basis for introducing a 5+ year home system. Nintendo's execs overestimated themselves because of DS and Wii's overwhelmingly successes - which, yes, were well targeted and constructed products, but that also benefitted from a certain fraction of coincidences and opportunism. Nevertheless, it's alright to recognize Nintendo's merits with DS and Wii - I think they offset what came from pure luck. Too bad this blinded them considerably afterwards.

Is this Iwata's responsibility? Yes it is, although it's cheap to say "it's all his fault". It's obvious people around him are as guilty as Iwata of being blinded toward the market's requirements. The reason of this failure is, beyond many other factors, that Iwata is a developer and not a businessman - and now this appears extremely clear. As much as he's really, extremely good in making teams below him produce high quality games and improve over time (yes, we can still say that, right?), he lacks skills for conducting proper business.

Ironically, what Nintendo need in reality is not to Iwata to step down, but a person to stay above Iwata and take care of the business part of the company. But I prefer not to give suggestions here.

Regardless of that, Iwata said that he would consider drastic measures for Wii U after Christmas figures..... There is little to do now, the tragic variables conditioning Wii U's ecosystem can be changed partially and the core of the disaster remain.

One possibility is to (a) offer a low price, tablet free Wii U package. Likely and doable, since we have the example of 2DS, which completely ditched the 3D effect. The price was very aggressive and marketed young audience - the one Nintendo always have been more successful, because of their IPs. This would help expanding the userbase and would maybe also bring back some of third parties multiplatform games (but I'm not betting on that).

Or (b), get rid of Wii U and announce another home system launching at the end of 2014. But this is less likely, for the simple reason they never be ready. They weren't even for Wii U's launch - a new system next year? LOL. Nintendo is a small company, but not as small to deviate the ship from the current path. However, they can take bigger and faster adjustments than other companies like introducing consistent modification of the current system.

Wii U clearly is a failure, but it would be nice to have it profitable eventually. In the meantime Nintendo will hopefully learn something and start thinking on the next home system.
 

EDarkness

Member
Mario 3D is seemingly:

- The best Mario game since Mario 64
- The best game of 2013 (amongst a strong list)

Expectations are high.

For us. Japanese folks get hyped for Monster Hunter and that game does absolutely nothing for me. They've got some strange taste (in my opinion) and sometimes their interests do not align with ours.
 
Most gamers, especially Nintendo fans, are still playing MH4 and Pokemon.
Sometimes it wont'be too healthy for the industry that sales giants allows people to pour in few hundred hours of grinding.
The exact same happened when MHP3 was released back in winter, 2010.

It's probably that the heatwave has continued in Japan for so long too that we are still seeing the affects of that.
 
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