My experience lately is that gamergate has become exclusively about "someone said something mean about gamergate" and lately that someone is very often not even connected or part of games or gaming journalism. The Bayonetta boycott at least had a pretense of being about ethical gaming journalism
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#GAMERGATE: The Threadening [Read the OP] -- #StopGamerGate2014
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HP_Wuvcraft
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I love how he just is blocking people left and right. And of course everyone is trying to do damage control, because it must be because of cultural differences, or he is showing his support by calling us idiots and blocking us, or... or...
ReignofSparrows
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As an attorney, let me ask you one preliminary question - is Brad black? You may think this is an irrelevant question, but the answer will directly impact my ability to play devil's advocate, remain obstinate, and ultimately shirk responsibility for my posts as said devil's advocate.
Youtubers still have dialogue with devs and PR.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
When I tweeted something last night under the #StopGG hashtag (I enjoyed Gone Home and want more diverse games), I got a load of responses - basically all saying "I'm pro #GG and want diverse games too."
How does this even make sense? It is like campaigning for race relations under a swastika.
How does this even make sense? It is like campaigning for race relations under a swastika.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
It's ridiculous. You don't even have to be a "name" in order to get a plethora of people responding to you like it matters who the fuck you are. A lot are very... heated.... too.
I made the mistake of getting in the middle of an ongoing argument between a 'Stopper and a 'Gater... and then my inbox is full of hate.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
In that case I don't see how they would "shut him out". He just has to say "they didn't talk to me cause gamergate" and get a billion views on that video.
And PR people in particular will not be interested in choosing "a side" in any conflict that's not directly their own.
This is the problem, I think. Not that what you're saying isn't true, but there seem to be a unified message coming from both sides. In literal and broad terms, it's the battle between the feminist ideals versus the misogynistic ones cloaked under a noble cause, which leaves no room for an open and civilized discussion between the two. Both sides are so entrenched in their beliefs that they're not addressing the problems outside what they're championing for. StopGG is a necessary reaction towards GG, which has slandered its way towards trying to become legitimate, though it's very unlikely that it will ever achieve that purported goal, as its bigoted, sexist and misogynistic in its inherent nature.
I think it's a shame that we're unable to push for a unified cause that specifically targets all of the major problems in the industry today. In other words, a cause that says no to corruption, no to sexism and misogyny, no to external pressure on journalists who are walking a fine line between trying to preserve their integrity and keeping a good relationship with their readers and the industry that they're covering. A cause that champions for inclusion, transparency, preservation of ethical principles and tolerance. #GG is definitely not the answer. Even though #StopGG is better than #GG will ever be, it has its own specific goals, and that is championing for equality for women in gaming, which is a great cause, but it doesn't really address the other problems that are prevalent in today's day and age.
#GG needs to go away, and after the storm has settled, we need to address all the major problems that are prevalent across the board in our industry. Gamers and professionals in the industry alike deserve that. it might not be under an unified banner as that's a bit idealistic, but addressing these problems on all fronts is a great way to achieve progress.
Haha, I saw people calling him an ally back when this all started. Glad to see that's not the case (or he just doesn't care/really likes blocking people, which is still better than supporting GG).
Dutch major mainstream newspaper has an article on Gamergate. Headline: "bitch I know where you live"
Spanish state TV network has a story on their site. Don't know if they did run it on daily news tv though.
http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/telediario/gamer-gate-machismo-llega-mudo-videojuegos/2777241/
Spanish state TV network has a story on their site. Don't know if they did run it on daily news tv though.
http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/telediario/gamer-gate-machismo-llega-mudo-videojuegos/2777241/
Thanks Gawker writer Sam Biddle. Thanks Gawker.
https://twitter.com/samfbiddle if you want to try to figure out the context to see if it makes what he says make sense.
They grasp at absolutely anything to keep themselves in the spotlight while appearing 'reasonable'. The headline of their internal strategy document for responding to 'shills' is 'No objectives, no goals, no demands, no philosophies, no lists.' They are completely fucking insane.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Jesus fucking Christ. This is the first time I've actually read the stuff in that dreaded e-mail list. How fucking dense do you have to be to read anything shady into that? That's the damning evidence they've been propping up for so long?
If I still had even a modicum of respect for GamerGate, I just lost it.
Thanks Gawker writer Sam Biddle. Thanks Gawker.
https://twitter.com/samfbiddle if you want to try to figure out the context to see if it makes what he says make sense.
Cause that wont feed back into itself.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Oh man. Kamiya is just the best.
Also this is just great
I presume this is Kamiya's best friend speaking.TroutAmbush said:
He has the inside track.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I'd imagine JP is filling him on the stupidity. He just eviscerated somebody, and I don't think that comes from just not caring
Apologies if it's already been posted (it must have? I must have missed it) but a new blog post from Brianna Wu went up several hours ago.
It's essentially her saying "Fuck you, #Gamergate. You lose." and, for that reason alone, I wanted to make sure it was available for ready consumption.
It's essentially her saying "Fuck you, #Gamergate. You lose." and, for that reason alone, I wanted to make sure it was available for ready consumption.
These sad attempts... like an open book. Boggles the mind how utterly oblivious so many gaming enthusiasts still are to the idea of criticism, the Bayo 2 review thread wasn't pretty either.
Love Kamiya.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Yeah, and he also stated that he's blocking gg tags and doesn't want to be bothered by them.
Kamiya is hilarious...
But I thought the Japanese loved the French. :\ That's weird.
What is wrong with this man. He knows everything he says will be taken as literally as possible, right?
But I thought the Japanese loved the French. :\ That's weird.
Thanks Gawker writer Sam Biddle. Thanks Gawker.
https://twitter.com/samfbiddle if you want to try to figure out the context to see if it makes what he says make sense.
What is wrong with this man. He knows everything he says will be taken as literally as possible, right?
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
I'm sorry, Kamiya blocking the "French idiots" is the funniest thing I've seen all day.
I think it'd be pretty easy to just google translate it, openly blocking them is a bit rude.
Yeah, just as he blocks people for speaking french to him because he doesn't speak french.
chaobreaker
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Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Ok. allowing for the rudeness involved in blocking someone because you don't speak the language they're speaking to you in, what does that have to do with the other tweets mentioned
GoodCoffeeJoey
Banned
The cognitive dissonance in some of the responses from goobers is great. "He actually agrees with us but he's afraid of the global feminist sjw conspiracy." Imagine if a woman responded to them like that.
Kamiya blocks a ton of shit all the time, there's a non-zero chance he's against gamergate, but he openly blocks anything spammed at him. Like all the gamergate shit. If you need more context, read his twitter page.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I follow him, so
He works with enough people to know exactly what's going on with gg
I'm not going to change your mind, so I'm heading to bed. Not going to lose sleep over arguing the meaning of twitter behavior.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
He's been blocking repeat questions and general annoyances (however random those may be) for a very long time, but he also clearly stated "don't bother me with GG"
They're barking up the wrong tree
FF Seraphim
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So I can see either two things happening:
1. #GG dies down and the people who actually give a damn about ethics (you know like the Shadow of Youtube thing) might rally under a new banner
2. #GG goes even more insane.
1. #GG dies down and the people who actually give a damn about ethics (you know like the Shadow of Youtube thing) might rally under a new banner
2. #GG goes even more insane.
Messofanego
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In order for a GG to dial down, there would need to be a widely known pro-GG person who disowns the hashtag or actually realises what they're believing in is a bunch of hooey cult stuff. Maybe make a million hits video, too.
jim-jam bongs
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You know, I've never bought into the Kamiya love. But if he is cool with me thinking he can make Bayonetta however he likes as long as I can be allowed to criticise his decisions without fearing for my personal safety, then he's someone I can respect. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for the cheesebrained chucklefucks who are all over Gamergate.
I'd also like to say I posted a stopgamergate tweet last night and recieved about 4/5 defensive replies from people I've never met. Hell my tweet was basically just calling Milo a prick who you shouldn't support but somehow people wanted to disagree with that (though most said he doesn't represent us like something else I've read somewhere)
The trick is to not read anything and just assume the absolute worst about everything. The same thinking applies to Anita's videos.
Gamergaters waste their time talking to a chat bot: http://www.newstatesman.com/future-...time-wasters-1960s-chat-bot-wastes-their-time
Actually tried talking to the bot. Its kinda cathartic.
jim-jam bongs
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When I was a kid, I spent hours talking to Eliza at the Powerhouse Museum. I can't fault people for being drawn in by her cunning wiles.
I'm new to this whole fiasco but at a cursory glance at all this, I just see this as evidence of the medium maturing this generation. Almost every facet of this medium is now under unprecedented scrutiny and that has its pros and cons.
I run a small gaming site so for me, this stuff really doesn't apply. My solution to all of this is to be a gamer first and everything else second when it comes to reporting/reviewing etc. But it is somewhat alarming standing on the sidelines and watching this all unfold.
With my limited understanding of this situation, all I can say is that all this seems to go against the grain of what gaming is all about when considering its legacy, how it developed and what it means for a lot of us. I would differentiate it from other mediums like film and cinema in that regard.
Btw, the chicks in these videos are kinda cute (sorry if this goes against the 'nexus' of the topic at hand):
http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/se...n-video-game-culture/543c686878c90a71ff000157
I run a small gaming site so for me, this stuff really doesn't apply. My solution to all of this is to be a gamer first and everything else second when it comes to reporting/reviewing etc. But it is somewhat alarming standing on the sidelines and watching this all unfold.
With my limited understanding of this situation, all I can say is that all this seems to go against the grain of what gaming is all about when considering its legacy, how it developed and what it means for a lot of us. I would differentiate it from other mediums like film and cinema in that regard.
Btw, the chicks in these videos are kinda cute (sorry if this goes against the 'nexus' of the topic at hand):
http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/se...n-video-game-culture/543c686878c90a71ff000157
Messofanego
Banned
I also posted one stopgamergate tweet yesterday, and it went on quite long because of the GG defenders with Captain America avatars (is that a thing now with Gamergaters?). They eventually left lol when asked further, and then I had a sensible conversation with someone else who was more skeptic.
plagiarize
Banned
Most of the Giant Bomb guys have been on the shit list of GG for a while now actually, given comments they've made now and then.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/505106389753024513
There's also a fair amount of inherent irony in accusing Jeff Gerstmann of media corruption and dishonesty I feel.
Isn't it curious how *this* list of bad SJW people is almost identical to the enemies of GamerGate list? What a strange coincidence!
A tweet I was mentioned in that said something like 'Using women as shields is a popular thing in modern journalism I'm told' has been favorited and retweeted dozens of times. I guess it's super insightful or something?
I just straight up blocked them, not worth the energy
1 person seemed to genuinely agree and care though so I regret nothing
Neoriceisgood
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Thank you for this valuable contribution. Did you also have an opinion on the words that have been spoken by these "chicks that are cute" ?
More_Badass
Member
I was discussing/debating with someone who was adamant that Zoe was "banging journalists to attempt to get better reviews"
Did all the guys who she had a relationship with, write about Depression Quest? I know Nathan only mentioned it in an article about a Greenlit batch. What about the other writers?
Did all the guys who she had a relationship with, write about Depression Quest? I know Nathan only mentioned it in an article about a Greenlit batch. What about the other writers?
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
http://waxy.org/2014/10/gamergate_schadenfreude/
Good article here. Gamergate is running out of heroes. Sorry, can't quote because I'm on my phone.
Good article here. Gamergate is running out of heroes. Sorry, can't quote because I'm on my phone.
HarryHengst
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They didnt write about it afaik. There is nothing she did wrong, its just shaming a woman for having sex using the whole 'ethics' excuse.
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