And that they shared details of an ongoing investigation with someone who immediately shared it on social media.
Sounds legit.
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#GamerGate thread 2: it's about feminism in games journalism
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And that they shared details of an ongoing investigation with someone who immediately shared it on social media.
Sounds legit.
Is there evidence that the allegations are false? They come from multiple women, and it seems like the details became known before they were public. As for drawing the Internet into it, I'm not sure what you mean by that. He posted that on Facebook himself, and the women were sharing their experience to warn others who he might harm.
Right, sorry. Surprised this came up at all.
He pretty much forced people's hands in this case with that facebook post. He was scared that people would control the narrative(probably) so he wrote that facebook post before the women involved told there story.
I PM'd you some feedback rather than fill the thread.
charlequin
Banned
Not particularly, no, but this case also has nothing to do with Gamergate and there's probably an OT thread about it.
I wonder how long the Ralph Retort is going to keep calling out people on falsified information. There's a whole bunch of talk on Nick Denton that he said some things and later his account was deleted but it's all fake. The real Nick Denton's Facebook is still around and it even has a verified check on it.
https://www.facebook.com/nicknotned?fref=ts
https://www.facebook.com/nicknotned?fref=ts
jim2point0
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https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/529883633020977153
Little twitter spat between Adam Baldin and David Rosen (lead dev on indie game Overgrowth)
Apparently women need to be protected. That's the true meaning of feminism.
Little twitter spat between Adam Baldin and David Rosen (lead dev on indie game Overgrowth)
Apparently women need to be protected. That's the true meaning of feminism.
Vigilant Walrus
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Can someone explain me the context of this? David Jaffe is angry at Kotaku over something in 2012? https://soundcloud.com/ben-kuchera/jaffe-confrontation
What is that about? Thats from way before GG began right?
What is that about? Thats from way before GG began right?
Holy shit, what is Baldwin's deal? This is just surreal in a terrible sort of way.
pantsonhead
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Two years before, if the timeline I'm assuming we're all working with is correct.
You're not a feminist unless you swear to protect women? Isn't that benevolent sexism? 
Woooow...
I had no clue this was the context. It twas' just a joke. :<
Woooow...
I had no clue this was the context. It twas' just a joke. :<
You're not a feminist unless you swear to protect women? Isn't that benevolent sexism?
That was the essence of Baldwin's tweets yeah. Kept asking David "WHAT HAVE YOU SACRIFICED FOR WOMEN, KIDDO?" and stuff like that. That's what makes a REAL feminist, apparently.
Vigilant Walrus
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The comments in the second article makes it clear that the anger has been there for a long time. thanks for the links. cool to read!
Baldwin deleted his part of the exchange, this screencap is now a treasure and a relic.
Too bad you weren't able to screencap the entire conversation. I hope someone at least did, I want to know all what was said.
Which is actually kind of funny given this new Operation Bender plan. They wish to pretend to self-identify as female in order to troll a group they claim pretends to self-identify as champions of social justice. How is that not hypocrisy is the highest magnitude?
Or is hypocrisy okay if it's for the lulz?
Alcoremortis
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I'm... not entirely sure Adam Baldwin understand what laying your life down for someone actually, you know, means.
Unless he's secretly dead (ie. a skeleton).
pantsonhead
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Little known fact, his character in Chuck was secretly autobiographical.
Hahaha! Maybe that's why Adam Baldwin started deleting his tweets cause he couldn't fight back against that.
Candescence
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Dave, you were pretty sweet before, but you have certainly earned my respect. Baldwin got OWNED.
As a Canadian, I can safely say this won't go well for them. Jian's PR firms dropped him after the 8th or 9th woman he abused spoke up about it. Nothing they've shared fits the BDSM safety net he's erected.
In any case, the discourse in Canada, I feel, has been mostly of the sane kind. Everyone is treading lightly in other to actively address the issue of women in these relationships feeling as if speaking up would cause more problems than not, thus leaving them to wallow in abject powerlessness. That's not something I think Canadians want to condone so the discussion has sort of tapered off a bit. Knee jerk reactions were normal at first, but sanity has taken hold and everything appears to be taking a more serious, understanding tone.
Coincidentally, Jian actually did a segment on his CBC Radio show The Q about GamerGate. I don't remember it being particularly flattering for them.
jim2point0
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chaobreaker
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OK, I'll put real money on the next humble bundle I like and all of the proceeds will go to Wolfire.
pantsonhead
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Maybe he's just trying to stay relevant?
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Let's play a game. Can you guess which message was loved by GG and which one wos loathed? You only get one guess though, so think hard about it
(via Twitter)
(via Twitter)
"Trying to stay relevant" is basically what the whole thing is about for all gaters. Still hilarious that people who previously only derided games have now become GG heroes. I wonder if any of them ever think "wow, I can't believe I'm getting away with this?"
aspiegamer
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Ok. So. This happened!
And then this.
And finally someone thought it over for a minute and thought this was a bad idea. Sort of.
There's no actual way this could be taking place in anything close to something vaguely resembling reality. Thus I can only conclude I'm in a dream. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go drive off a cliff so I can wake up from this and realize it never actually existed.
And then this.
And finally someone thought it over for a minute and thought this was a bad idea. Sort of.
There's no actual way this could be taking place in anything close to something vaguely resembling reality. Thus I can only conclude I'm in a dream. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go drive off a cliff so I can wake up from this and realize it never actually existed.
Neoriceisgood
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Good morning! What did I ... miss.
I see.
I see.
Neoriceisgood
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I found this pic on Reddit about TB discussing something about Shadow of Morder.
Can somebody give me the backstory behind this? I did hear some sketchy things about reviews for that game but not much else.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=903632
Here's the gaf thread on it.
GG barely picked the scandal up & TB was still in his dubious "neutral" stance back then.
In fact, that pakman comment is the first time I've ever seen him actively descsribe himself as pro-GG. (I assume it was worth actually declaring himself pro-GG rather than neutral if it allowed him to call Arthur a liar.)
Was Shadow of Mordor an issue of "journalistic ethics" when it was only something that affected Youtubers? It's well know that Youtubers get offered a lot of shady shit from publishers, but I thought most Youtubers weren't considered "journalists" by TB? But maybe this is another case of TB changing definitions to suit his agenda.
Interesting. I'm surprised that thread is only 8 pages long. For some reason we get threads about how a game is not 1080p go 60+ pages long at least yet something potentially troubling gets much less coverage/discussion from people even in forums like this.
And as you said, even from pro GG people. It kinda makes me question what exactly is GG really fighting for exactly? I admit I have not been really following this whole event, but I am also cautiously curious about it (if that makes any sense at all).
lifa-cobex
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Sargon of Akkad POV with the Arthur Chu interview...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t58FpsPuL4
Apologies if already posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t58FpsPuL4
Apologies if already posted
I found this pic on Reddit about TB discussing something about Shadow of Morder.
Can somebody give me the backstory behind this? I did hear some sketchy things about reviews for that game but not much else.
Yeah...except the guy plays video games and reads the latest news he scooped off kotaku's headlines. He's not even a games writer let alone a journalist. So he was given a game for free without signing a contract. MY GOD THE ROCK HARD ETHICS!
I guess it's because no one is surprised. Youtubers get offered money from various publishers to make favourable videos of their games all the time (both Nerdcubed and TB has been very open about that), and Youtubers like Yogscast have agreed to do videos that are basically ads for games for a cut of the profit (Yogsdiscovery) etc. So something like that surprises no one, and that's probably the reason why it's not discussed that much.
If we're talking about ethics, Youtube is the really scary place for that stuff. Most Youtubers (all Youtubers?) do not have a separation between the business side and the "editorial" side of their channel, which can easily lead to some pretty shady decisions.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I really feel like this whole "I'm not a journalist tho" doesn't work anymore at some point. Same with his "I don't review games" shtick.
What even is a journalist anymore? I mean the definition of journalist is "sombody who works with collecting, writing and distributing news and other current information." according to Wikipedia.
I just hate the "Journalists need to be objective and neutral, but Youtubers can say whatever they want" line of thinking. Many people trust Youtubers more then "journalists" so to me this just feels like a cheap way out.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Lalalandia
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Nope nobody cares what that scum's POV is on anything. What debate were you hoping his POV would inform?
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
hobblygobbly
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I have to defend TB here but his videos are not reviews, they are early impressions, just like Giant Bomb's Quick Looks, which Giant Bomb has been doing before TB (and TB said this is where he got his inspiration from), and they don't call them reviews either, because they aren't. They're not reviewing the game in its entirety, it's a piece based on first impressions when playing the game for the first time, since that's also one of the most important aspects since games should also captivate you early on instead of "it gets better later" or whatever.
Plus, he does some pretty good coverage on performance as well. His videos are not reviews, just like Giant Bomb's Quick Look's are reviews either. They're the same format essentially. TB has been saying they're not reviews for years already, and he's right in that sense, they're not reviews in the traditional sense to what other reviews are today, they're first impressions. He doesn't even delve into the rest of the game nor finish it.
Here are GB's Quick Looks, TB's first impressions/videos are similar, they fundamentally don't contain the same type of content a review does in text or video form: http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/quick-looks/
NumberThree
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I found this pic on Reddit about TB discussing something about Shadow of Morder.
Can somebody give me the backstory behind this? I did hear some sketchy things about reviews for that game but not much else.
So because he (a pro-GG person) cared about the Shadow of Mordor thing, saying GamerGate didn't care about the issue is wrong? But I thought you can't judge the entire movement based on a few individuals?
lifa-cobex
Member
Relax peeps it's just a vid. Some people might wanna watch it, that's all.
Not trying to rally pitchforks and flaming torches.
Not trying to rally pitchforks and flaming torches.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I know Giantbomb and I know QLs. Jeff said a number of times, that their data shows that QuickLooks are far more helpfull for their viewers then their reviews ever were.
No, they are not reviews. But that doesn't mean he gets to dodge all responsibility. That's what I meant. People watch his videos and then decide wether or not to get a game, just like they do with reviews.
Pscht
Lalalandia
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Giant Bomb have no problems defining themselves as games media and accepting the responsibilities that come with that. TB constantly tries to define himself as not being a part of the games media and 'just a guy on YT' which has allowed him in the past to be evasive as to what was paid content and what is not. He has stopped that behaviour but he continues to lambast the press for not doing the research on GG while continuing to repeat falsehoods disproved a long time ago (e.g. the Zoepost never actually claimed that DQ 'review' was a sexual favour). Simple fact is the media did the research he never did and found nothing there, he went hard on ZQ over a DMCA that was never shown to be hers against a vile MundaneMatt video filled with lies. Ever since he has been doubling and tripling down going on streams with assholes like SoA, KoP, IA and laughing at 'SJWs'. He is a two faced double dealer in other words who thinks himself above it all while being the very definition of the problem of YT who think themselves better than the media and thus not bound by it's ethics.
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