matrixman92
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I have only ever heard of that in Japan...can you tell what the many others are. I legitimately dont know
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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
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I have only ever heard of that in Japan...can you tell what the many others are. I legitimately dont know
Lionel Richie
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lol do tell me why is it so funny I want to laugh together with you lol
Dragonborn
Member
Doesn't take great intelligence to see that they're games, just like anything else. You press buttons and interact to move the story forward. They just do so in a different way with different goals.
RaD has never once made their goals unclear. From the get go they've described their aim to create a "filmic" title, and that's exactly what it seems like they'll deliver. If the story is solid, and the gunplay good (which seems to be the case given the impressions we have), then it'll be worth the money I pay for it. It'll be the first new release I buy this year, and the only question I have in ny mind is whether to keep the collector's edition or not
VisceralBowl
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TrojanBlade
Member
That sounds very reasonable. I don't see an issue. Most folks who are complaining about the game length are being AAA-holes now. Just don't buy the game if it is bothering you so much. Just understand this is not an rpg or an open game. Treat it like the game it was made as. A linear, story focused shooter. Deal with it.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Liolol Richie.
RisesRises
Banned
We are not asking him about God's existence, it's about length. How can an answer with numbers be subjective?
Not one number but two, for example 8-10 hours.
Your are right the whole internet is safe, but nevermind, it's not in the studio's best interest to have this conversation lasting, a few days from launch.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
Did you guys play Lords of Shadow? That game was pretty damn long and enjoyable.
Felt refreshing, I miss things that feel epic for their length and not for the sheer spectacle.
Felt refreshing, I miss things that feel epic for their length and not for the sheer spectacle.
Honestly, I bet a good quantity of used copies start showing up by Monday. It's a good way to experience The Order, get everything you can out of it over the weekend, which seems totally doable, and get $30-40 back afterwards by trading it in.
CarbonByGravity
Member
M°°nblade;152305457 said:
Yes, that's what I meant. Damn, you should have wrote my initial comment. Haha!
Updated list of GAFer first time completions, including the relevant difficulty levels.
OsirisBlack - 14 hours Hard
Theman2k - 12 hours Hard
Verendus - 10 hours Hard
Periniumlick - 10 hours Hard
Rapier - 9 hours Normal
ReNeGaDe124 - 9 hours Normal
Nbkt - 9 hours Normal
Average is 10 hours 43 minutes.
This completely lines up with GAF times. Almost perfectly.
OsirisBlack - 14 hours Hard
Theman2k - 12 hours Hard
Verendus - 10 hours Hard
Periniumlick - 10 hours Hard
Rapier - 9 hours Normal
ReNeGaDe124 - 9 hours Normal
Nbkt - 9 hours Normal
Average is 10 hours 43 minutes.
This completely lines up with GAF times. Almost perfectly.
So the guy from rad was telling the truth? Or is everyone lying except YouTube guy?
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Why would you include both Hard and Normal playthroughs in a single average?
The YouTube guy has his entire playthrough online. People can watch it if they want and determine if he was rushing or not.
I won't be doing so, since I don't want to spoil the game, obviously.
matrixman92
Member
dont forget to use that birthday coupon 20% off used games.
the good old "i had more fun with short games, than I had with longer ons" response..
edit: someone got a link to youtube guys playthrough?
why do you think that?
edit: someone got a link to youtube guys playthrough?
why do you think that?
I know you /s'd but I actually watched a bunch of a Dark Souls 2 blind playthrough from a Dark Souls 1 speed runner (Elajjaz I believe) and it took him a few days and around 30 hours. Not really making a point from it, just a fun bit of info I can throw in on that.
EDIT: It was Santzo actually, now that I remember.
I really like the Lords of Shadow games, they felt surprisingly long, but had some pacing issues. The first game especially felt grand in scope thanks to the size of the locales and the fixed camera angles making them look even bigger.
I don't know. There are many "shorter" games that I like much better than "longer" games, but there are also many "longer" games that I like better than "shorter" games. Also this game probably won't be much different from the other games of it's genre regarding playtime. This discussion is getting out of hand though ever since that youtube playthrough appaered.
Darkangel
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I think The Evil Within should set the standard for full-priced singleplayer games:
As for the competition, most AAA third person shooters are a lot longer:
Max Payne 3: 10 Hours (plus multiplayer and time/score attack)
Gears of War 1: 9 Hours (plus multiplayer and co-op)
Gears of War 2: 10 Hours (plus multiplayer, co-op, and horde mode)
Gears of War 3: 9.5 Hours (plus multiplayer, co-op, horde mode, and beast mode)
Uncharted 1: 9 Hours
Uncharted 2: 11 Hours (plus multiplayer)
Uncharted 3: 9 Hours (plus multiplayer)
The Last of Us: 15 Hours (plus multiplayer)
Tomb Raider (2013): 11.5 Hours (plus shitty multiplayer)
Games like Vanquish and Metal Gear Rising are short, but they're games that are held together almost entirely on their gameplay. These games are meant to be replayed constantly and "mastered." From what I've seen of The Order I don't think it's that type of game. Portal was also short, but was included as part of a package deal and later sold for only $20. If RAD wanted to make a filmic 5.5 hours game then that's perfectly fine, but to charge $60 just makes it not worth buying new.
- ~15 Hour Story
- Replay Value (largely due to the interesting/complex mechanics)
- New Game+
- Collectibles (most of which actually added something story related or gave you useful items)
- Good Difficulty Modes (Hard and Akuma mode were very challenging and significantly altered the enemy placement)
- Speedrun Potential (Game was divided into chapters and even had a trophy for beating the story in under 5 hours)
- SKIPPABLE CUTSCENES! (for the most part)
As for the competition, most AAA third person shooters are a lot longer:
Max Payne 3: 10 Hours (plus multiplayer and time/score attack)
Gears of War 1: 9 Hours (plus multiplayer and co-op)
Gears of War 2: 10 Hours (plus multiplayer, co-op, and horde mode)
Gears of War 3: 9.5 Hours (plus multiplayer, co-op, horde mode, and beast mode)
Uncharted 1: 9 Hours
Uncharted 2: 11 Hours (plus multiplayer)
Uncharted 3: 9 Hours (plus multiplayer)
The Last of Us: 15 Hours (plus multiplayer)
Tomb Raider (2013): 11.5 Hours (plus shitty multiplayer)
Games like Vanquish and Metal Gear Rising are short, but they're games that are held together almost entirely on their gameplay. These games are meant to be replayed constantly and "mastered." From what I've seen of The Order I don't think it's that type of game. Portal was also short, but was included as part of a package deal and later sold for only $20. If RAD wanted to make a filmic 5.5 hours game then that's perfectly fine, but to charge $60 just makes it not worth buying new.
For me a game has to be really special to hold my attention for 8 to 10 hours. Maybe it comes with age, but I really don't like long games anymore. Tlou is the only long game I've enjoyed in a long time.
-MD-
Member
Search PlayMeThrough on youtube.
I agree with you here! TEW has loads of content and replay value for a single player only game.
NullPointer
Member
The playthrough videos, GAF threads, gaming articles and messages in the twitterverse and social media about the game's length, both pro and con, are people dealing with it.
I am still hyped and making the OT, but hearing about this is disappointing. The IP really appeals to me and I'd hoped that RAD would come out with a strong first showing that we can all agree on.
But thinking about it further, the value just doesn't add up. At the $60 price point for shooters and action games, many other games offer either
a) longer linear campaigns of high quality (The Last of Us)
b) large open worlds to explore and mess around in (GTA, Watch Dogs)
c) comprehensive multiplayer modes (Gears of War, Battlefield, Call of Duty)
d) new game+ modes (Dead Space)
e) alternate single player modes with different rules (DmC)
f) challenge modes/arenas (Devil May Cry)
g) replay value from gameplay mastery (Vanquish, Bayonetta)
h) non-linear elements and alternate endings based on player choices (Infamous)
I will still play this day one, but will be selling it shortly after I get the platinum, like I do with most other single player games.
But thinking about it further, the value just doesn't add up. At the $60 price point for shooters and action games, many other games offer either
a) longer linear campaigns of high quality (The Last of Us)
b) large open worlds to explore and mess around in (GTA, Watch Dogs)
c) comprehensive multiplayer modes (Gears of War, Battlefield, Call of Duty)
d) new game+ modes (Dead Space)
e) alternate single player modes with different rules (DmC)
f) challenge modes/arenas (Devil May Cry)
g) replay value from gameplay mastery (Vanquish, Bayonetta)
h) non-linear elements and alternate endings based on player choices (Infamous)
I will still play this day one, but will be selling it shortly after I get the platinum, like I do with most other single player games.
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Deleted member 17706
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For you, perhaps.
Unfortunately yes.
Really? Then RAD should have re-considered the type of game this would be then :l. I mean, if it was scaled back a bit and the core gameplay was stronger (like say, a platformer like Daxter or a lower-budget action game), then they could of had their long, grand story without any budget issue.
Making the game a pure TPS is nice and all, but not doing anything 'special' with that forced RAD to have Uncharted/God of War levels of presentation to compensate for that...leading to a game that (supposedly, never played this before nor plan on getting it) forced itself to push visuals and story over (one of the critical parts of a game) making its gameplay strong and/or unique.
Either way, Sony and RAD must have known this when developing the game, so if a worst-case senaro happens with this game not selling well, Sony won't shutter the studio or make them be absorbed into Santa Monica (ala Cambridge being absorbed into Guerrilla Games).
According to the average Gaf completion time, it puts The Order up there with UC1/TR (minus MP). Surely that's sort of going against your point?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It sounds like they're banking on there being branching paths resulting from how well you perform QTE's.
5 hour game? No man, you'll want to replay it a lot to see all the different content we put into... QTE's.
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
Nice this makes me happy. I trust gaf
Dreamgazer
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Amentallica
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I have played and completed games I consider mediocre. Some games took as little as five hours to complete, others took as much as 60 hours to complete. In the end, I think it is maddening to measure quality based on game length. Different games require different lengths and I think people are doing themselves a disservice by dismissing games that fall below their threshold of what constitutes a long enough game to be enjoyed.
What matters most to me in single player campaigns is the ability to replay and have just as much fun, or close to as much fun, during a second and third run as compared to the first. A perfect example is Resident Evil 4, which can be completed in under 10 hours quite easily and casually. Sure, the game has a mercenaries mode for extra content, but I am specifically referring to the campaign, which I have played through dozens of times and still have as much fun as I did the first time.
Simply being very fun to play should justify any game length. Attaching such an arbitrary number is useless. REmake just re-released and people are ecstatic about it. Guess what? That game can be completed in five hours with minimal effort. Why aren't people complaining about it? Oh right, because it can be just as much fun to replay.
What matters most to me in single player campaigns is the ability to replay and have just as much fun, or close to as much fun, during a second and third run as compared to the first. A perfect example is Resident Evil 4, which can be completed in under 10 hours quite easily and casually. Sure, the game has a mercenaries mode for extra content, but I am specifically referring to the campaign, which I have played through dozens of times and still have as much fun as I did the first time.
Simply being very fun to play should justify any game length. Attaching such an arbitrary number is useless. REmake just re-released and people are ecstatic about it. Guess what? That game can be completed in five hours with minimal effort. Why aren't people complaining about it? Oh right, because it can be just as much fun to replay.
the evil wiyhin is 9 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMYbOFsL_O4
gears of war 5 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsVq11WLYco
video dont lie
deltacanuckian
Member
So I'm guessing I'll take somewhere between 7 and 9 hours to complete it. That's fine by me, especially after I've just gone on a run where I played Shadow of Mordor, AC Unity, Far Cry 4, and inFamous First Light. I need a break from open world games.
Phat Michael
Banned
10 hours is fine for this sort of game.
-MD-
Member
Do you want to see my 4 hour playthrough of The Evil Within? He's playing on casual.
Trying too hard.
Oh, that isn't that bad then
; 9-11 hours for an action game seems to be the 'perfect' length for a game of that type (notably if it has a strong focus on story). Guess the lets-player that beat the easy or normal and just ran through the game instead of 'fully' playing it (beating it on hard or super hard...). Even then though, game-length is very subjective as depending on the person, games can be very short or very long.
I will just say this example due to really loving the game; MM3D. I played the game for at least 15 hours so far and beat the first two temples, have 12/20 pieces of heart, most of the masks, max arrow upgrade, first bomb bag upgrade....and I'm only half way through the game (still have to beat Great Bay Temple and Stone Tower Temple, complete a few more side-quests, have at least five more masks to find and have one more bomb bag upgrade to get). Is the game long? Yes it is, but I played half way through it in just a day and a half due to loving the game so much.
The point I'm trying to get across is that The Order might be a 10 hour game, but it might be so enjoyable to some, that they played through it like nothing
.Conspiracy? Hardly.
I agree with you that I/we have a choice to not buy something, however, If you - or some other geezer is targeted by marketing to appreciate or buy an undervalued product for full price - someone is getting taken advantage of. I don't care how morals line up - this is a certainty.
If someone has the right to throw something in my face, and like Ru Weerasuriya, passionately defend reasoning on pricing regardless of final production value, THAT type of tinfoil mentality needs to go away.
Man, RAD should have made a 'normal' game. Screw them for not wanting to make a 'real' game. These cinematic games, how dare they try and emulate movies- we as gamers should fight for more variety in our games while also fighting against types of games we don't like, thus limiting the amount of variety.
Less cinematic, more hack and slash, or more platformers. Cause we all know there is no platformers these days. :/
Less cinematic, more hack and slash, or more platformers. Cause we all know there is no platformers these days. :/
Sorry, trying to be funny, but failing horrible. Honestly my point is that is that cinematic games are just fine. They aren't taking away from any other genre of games Really getting sick of this anti-cinematic wave that is happening.
Games like Metal Gear Rising or Vanquish last enthusiasts of the genre much longer than one playthrough, making them worth the money. Will The Order: 1886 do the same? When determining a game's worth, I like to look at how much enjoyment I'll get out of it and how many hours I'll get out of it. The Order: 1886 is just another shooter to me gameplay wise, so enjoyment level will be merely average. The graphics are the best I've seen in any game...ever to be fair, and I'll praise them for that. Still, if the game is only going to last me 6 to 10 hours, I can't justify $60 for that. Not when I know I'll be able to buy it for $20 or less in 6 months. Or perhaps even get it on Playstation Plus down the line.
Really? Then thats good then, so if the game doesn't do well, they wont suffer that much from that.
gaming_noob
Member
This game is similar to Silent Hill: Downpour in so many ways. I still got all the achievements and multiple playthroughs for Downpour but it was absolutely dreadful to be forced to watch all the unskippable cutscenes.
dont post spoilers. i dont play games on youtube
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
"Start"?
Pop
Member
Edit: I see now, my bad
-MD-
Member
That playthrough isn't even close to being complete if you take a look at it.
You literally just did the same thing he did except you posted entire playthroughs of games and not a single chapter.
Uhm, it's the prologue. Plus you just posted entire playthroughs of Gears and Evil Within. I guess it's ok with those games but not The Order?