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thabtoUK

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Holding a knife to a guy's throat while listening to Kim Wilde's "Kids in America" is hilarious and awesome in equal measure.

This is almost as good listening to "Hold the Line" by Toto while mowing people down in GTA: Vice City, if not better ;-)
 
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thabtoUK

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REPOSTED FOR NEWCOMERS TO THE THREAD WITH MINOR NEW CONFIRMATIONS FROM MY SOURCE

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I NOW HAVE A SOURCE, WHO WANTS TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS, THAT I CONFIRM HAS HAS COMPLETED THE GAME TO IT’S FIRST ENDING AND BEYOND.

They have provided the following picture as proof of this:

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This picture is from Mission 46 and has not appeared previously to me posting it. I've also watermarked the image so no-one can claim that they uploaded it first.

For more information on Mission 46, please go to the “Ishmael” section.

THE SOURCE'S PROVIDED UPDATES ARE IN BOLD.

Also, the official Italian version of the The Phantom Pain guide printed by Piggyback has been leaked and the other information comes from there.

This information is from these pictures and Twitter conversations with PumaWarrior on the MGS Reddit (AKA Batmariafg), who owns the original manual.

Videos proving the validity of the these pictures were also upload by PumaWarrior and can be seen here, where information has additionally been taken from.

I am semi-fluent in Italian and have personally translated a lot of these points myself from the pictures that were provided.

Other native Italian speakers have also verified the below points.

Thanks to Crossing Eden, Sickboy007, DevilFox on here and Sangivstheworld and Damnfiddles over on the MGS Reddit for further translating and organising some of this information.

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GENERAL

  • Avatar creation is for the online elements only.
  • The are 50 main missions.
  • There are 157 side missions.
  • The alternate name of the ST-84 Metal Gear is confirmed to be the Sahelathropus.
  • The ST-84's cockpit is so small that only a child can pilot it.
  • The ST-84 Metal Gear has 6 body parts. Every part has its own life bar and destroying each part gives different advantages.
  • My source has confirmed that Big Boss' motorbike is not rideable/driveable during the game.
  • My source has also confirmed that so far on their playthrough, neither David Hayter nor Solid Snake have appeared in the game.
  • There is a mission where you have to recover the AI mammal pod from Peace Walker.
  • Zero orders Dr. Strangelove, who now works for DARPA, to develop The Patriots' AI to keep his control over the world.
  • In the penultimate mission of the main story, you must make contact with and recover Code Talker. Code Talker is being guarded by The Skulls.
  • The final mission of the main story is against the Metal Gear, which is being controlled by "The Third Child".
  • The guide says it's safe to assume that Eli is Liquid Snake.
  • Eli's codename is White Mamba.
  • The map confirms there are three main locations; Afghanistan, Africa and Mother Base.
  • Most S Rank times for missions are around 10-15 minutes.
  • A Cyborg Ninja outfit can be unlocked.
  • There are 19 soldiers that will join Motherbase voluntarily if you have a Ground Zeroes save. The Eye and The Finger are two of these recruits and the other 17 join you you by Mission 12.
  • With a Ground Zeroes save and the Deja Vu mission from GZ completed, a Solid Snake outfit will be unlocked.
PUNISHED “VENOM” SNAKE/BIG BOSS

  • My source has confirmed that we play as the Medic from Ground Zeroes who is unwittingly serving as a double for Big Boss. He is referred to as Punished “Venom” Snake and Ahab thoughout the game and then “The Phantom” by the end.
  • In Metal Gear (the 1987 MSX game), Big Boss orders Solid Snake to Outer Heaven, but this is actually so Solid Snake can kill Punished “Venom” Snake/Ahab/The Phantom, who is still acting under the guise of Big Boss. This is revealed during the traditional scrolling timeline that features at the end of the Metal Gear Solid games, which my source has also proved an image of:
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  • Punished “Venom” Snake/Ahab/The Phantom finds out the truth by listening to the tape labelled “From the Man Who Sold the World” that was shown in The Phantom Pain’s E3 2015 trailer.
  • The Medic was just an ordinary solider from Militaires Sans Frontières who got facial surgery to look like Big Boss. He is not Grey Fox, Decoy Octopus, Solidus Snake or any other previously established character.
  • The guide also strongly suggests through clues that the Medic from Ground Zeroes is the version of Big Boss who awakens from the coma in the hospital.
  • The guide notes that Big Boss and the Medic have similar voices, so he is a strong candidate for being the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital.
  • The guide continues by saying that in Ground Zeroes, the Medic is one of Big Boss' "most trusted men".
  • The guide also says that the Big Boss we see on the operating table in the "Don't you die on me dammit!" scene from the trailers does not have shrapnel in his head. The guide suggests that the Medic is the person to most likely have the shrapnel in his head, while also being the same hospital room, as he protected Big Boss from the Paz's bomb blast in the chopper in Ground Zeroes.
  • Huey is not sure of Big Boss/Ahab's identity when he first meets him.
  • The guide says that the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital has a DNA test done with Eli. Their DNA does not match. The guide goes on to state that since Eli is a clone of the real Big Boss, their DNA should match. The guides says this again gives a glue to Ahab's identity.
  • The guide notes that when Eli asks Ocelot where his father is, Ocelot replies that "Your father isn't here". This is despite the fact that Ahab is watching their conversation behind a two-way mirror.
ISHMAEL

  • My source has confirmed that the real Big Boss is Ishmael. He goes into hiding after the attack on Motherbase in Ground Zeroes, while Punished “Venom” Snake/The Medic/Ahab/The Phantom helps Big Boss spread his legend.
  • Big Boss is wearing a glass eye, this is why his right eye is intact.
  • It was Zero's idea to keep Big Boss and the Medic hidden, this is why they’re on a British Air Force in Cyprus. It was also his idea to create a body double for Big Boss, as a lot people want him dead.
  • The player realises this through a tape near the end of the game, where it is revealed that Zero wants to bury his grudge with Big Boss and help him while he still can. This is because Zero has been infected with a parasite by Skullface which is slowly making him go into a vegetive state.
  • Kaz and Ocelot are in on the ruse and are intentionally misleading Punished “Venom” Snake/The Medic/Ahab/The Phantom.
  • The real Big Boss, Kaz, Ocelot and Zero have also created another Big Boss because, as much at the world wants him dead, the world also still needs a legend such as Big Boss.
  • Big Boss continues to appear as Ishmael even after the hospital sequence. His face is still covered though in order to protect his identity.
  • The guide on the other hand, doesn't definitely say who Ishmeal is. Konami and Kojima Production asked Piggyback, the creators of the guide, not to reveal it. Ishmael's identity is revealed in an optional mission after the main story has ended.
  • The guide does however, go over some fan theories and gives clues towards the true identity of Ishmael.
  • The guide discusses the theory that Ishmael is imaginary. It says that this can't be the case as Quiet sees Ishmael when she comes to assassinate the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in the hospital.
  • The guides further states that as Big Boss/Ahab is sat in the left-hand seat of the right-hand driven ambulance that's used to escape the hospital, Ishamel must be real.
  • However, Ishmael suddenly disappears when the ambulance crashes. Ocelot rescues Big Boss/Ahab from the ambulance after the crash. Big Boss/Ahab asks Ocelet who Ishmael was, but Ocelot deliberately ignores the question.
  • The guide says that the fact that there are "The Star of Bethlehem" lilies in the Ishmael's and Big Boss/Ahab's room is a strong clue to the real identity of Ishmael. The guide also states that these lilies hold a significance to The Boss.
  • When Ahab sees the ghost of Paz the first time at Mother Base, he has an hallucination where there are clearly two versions of Big Boss on the chopper.
THE FIRST ENDING

  • The guide states that at the end of The Phantom Pain, the parasite that mutates peoples' vocal chords infects Mother Base. This forces Punished “Venom” Snake/Ahab/The Phantom, while still acting as body double as Big Boss, to exterminate his soldiers to prevent a global catastrophe.
  • The guide continues by saying that although Punished “Venom” Snake/Ahab/The Phantom takes on this responsibility without any apparent remorse, it's impossible from him to ignore the fact that he has contributed to these events. This causes him to unleash his "inner demon".
  • The guide states Punished “Venom” Snake/Ahab/The Phantom becomes the antagonist gradually, slowly consumed by what happens to him until all that is left is his obsession.
  • After these events, Punished “Venom” Snake/Ahab/The Phantom is more determined than ever to reinforce his troops, with the aim of forming a nation free from the governments' hegemony, a dream he will be on the verge of realising in the 1990's.
  • This leads to Punished “Venom” Snake/Ahab/The Phantom, while still under the guise of Big Boss, to create Outer Heaven.
THE LOCKED MISSION/MISSION 46

  • My source has played Mission 46 and confirmed that by time you get around Mission 40, the “repeat” story missions at harder difficulties are unlocked, a few at a time. When you finish enough of these unlocked missions, Mission 46 becomes available.
  • Mission 46 is a replay of the hospital Prologue, but it reveals what actually happened to Ishmael/Big Boss. This is the mission that the source's supplied picture is taken from.
  • Mission 46 reveals that the real Big Boss has no horn and no scars, the same as the leaked “Truth: The Man Who Sold the World Xbox achievement picture: http://www.xboxachievements.com/gam...m-pain-xbox-one/achievement/104228-Truth.html
  • Mission 46 is missing from from the guide, as Konami asked Piggy Back to not to reveal how to unlock the mission or detail it's content. However, Piggy Back state that they will gradually supply information and updates online as they become available. The website will be www.piggyback.com/it/mgsv or the player can use a Quick Response code.
SKULLFACE

  • The guide states that Skullface is the main antagonist of Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain and that he was born in Hungary, where his parents worked in a secret weapons factory.
  • During the bombing of the weapons factory he was knocked down and trampled on by terrified crowds fleeing in search of safety. This caused Skullface very serious injuries.
  • Abandoned in critical condition and without any possibility of cure with conventional means, he survived thanks to a innovative therapy with parasites. However, this therapy also it caused his deformation and damage to his nervous system, meaning he can no longer feel pain.
  • He was then recruited in secret by Major Zero and his mandate with the XOF unit was to watch over Big Boss and make sure that his important missions didn't fail. This includes Operation Snake Eater from Metal Gear Solid 3.
  • Working for Zero and watching over Big Boss for many years led to him resenting the two of them, particularly Zero.
  • Skullface attacks Mother Base in 1975 during the events of Ground Zeroes and tries to kill Big Boss by implanting bombs inside Paz
  • When Skullface discovers that Zero and Strangelove are making The Partriot AI, he develops a parasite that infects peoples' voice boxes and stops them from speaking. This parasite is developed by Code Talker, who has the cure, but does want to share it.
  • The Cobra Unit from MGS3 were the begininning of Code Talker's experimentations with these parasites.
  • Because of the information supplied by Paz at the end of Ground Zeroes, Skullface finds Zero and infects him with the parasite. This causes Zero to slowly go into a vegetive state.
  • Skullface plans to spread the parasite using the ST-84 Metal Gear.
  • Skullface nearly completes his plan, but his overthrown by "The Third Child" after Mantis becomes enraged by Eli's presence in the XOF helicopter.
  • Skullface is crushed by the ST-84 Metal Gear and Miller and Big Boss decide to leave him to die, so he can suffer.
  • However, Huey ignores this idea and finally kills Skullface.
QUIET

  • Quiet's hearing is ten times more sensitive than normal soldiers.
  • Her vision is unaffected by time of day, so there is no difference in her sight between night and day.
  • Quiet leaves you after mission 43 and to finish her story you will have to find her after the main story is over.
  • Quiet goes to the hospital to kill Big Boss at the start of the game and speaks while doing so. She specifically says "Not yet. The patient in the next bed saw my face" in regards to if she has assassinated Big Boss/Ahab.
  • Quiet is the carrier of the vocal cord parasites.
  • She was badly injured during the hospital attack in the Prologue, but her abilities were enhanced by these parasites. [/B]
  • Quiet doesn't talk out of respect for Big Boss.
  • After she leaves Diamond Dogs, Big Boss goes to find her in an optional mission. He succeeds but he's then bitten by a poisonous snake while escaping. Quiet must speak during this mission in order to save Big Boss.
  • At the end of this mission, Quiet disappears alone into the desert.
  • Water has a negative affect of Quiet's powers.
  • If you spray Quiet with water she will "writhe", because the parasites inside her are absorbing the water. She also reacts to rain.
  • The guide states that Big Boss' relation with Quiet is based on mutual respect and has no traditional romantic connotation. It goes on to say that this doesn't diminish the importance of their relationship or Quiet's sacrifice when saving Big Boss.
  • Quiet has an optional Sniper Wolf outfit that can be unlocked.
HUEY AND DR. STRANELOVE

  • Dr. Strangelove is Octacon's mother.
  • Strangelove and Huey have a huge falling out after Huey's suggests using a young Octagon as a test subject for piloting the Sahelanthropous/ST-84 Metal Gear.
  • Dr. Strangelove dies after she accidentally gets stuck inside the mammal pod and Huey lets her suffocate inside.
  • Huey also somehow causes a parasite outbreak, at Motherbase (in addition to Quiet’s) and is banished afterward.
  • Huey goes on to live after being banished from Motherbase and meets Emma's mother.
THE SKULLS

  • The are three versions of The Skulls; A fog Version, an armoured version and a camouflage version.
  • All versions of The Skulls have health that slowly regenerates over time.
  • Like Quiet, they also have a negative reaction to water and rain.
  • You can fulton every type of Skull, leading to different rewards.
  • After being fultoned, The Skulls are kept on the quarantine strut of Motherbase.
  • Like Quiet, they have perfect vision during night time and you can them breathing if you listen aiming with one of thier sniper rifles.
  • Destroying the "fog version" Skulls' body parts rapidly reduce their health and resistance.
  • Fultoning the "armoured version" Skulls will reward with the player with parasite enhanced armour.
  • Fultoning the "camouflage version" Skulls leads to the creation of an item that grants the player 30 seconds on invisibility.
  • The "camouflage version"'s body parts can't be destroyed, so headshots are the most useful way to defeat these Skulls.
THE "MAN ON FIRE"/VOLGIN

  • The "Man on Fire" is Volgin and he's being possessed by "The Third Child". You have to recover his body in Chapter 2.
  • Volgin is actually still alive at the end of MGS3, although he's in a coma and is clinically braindead.
  • His thirst for revenge against the real Big Boss is what kept him alive and this has literally turned him into a demon.
  • Russian doctors recover Volgin's body after the events of MGS3 and keep him alive for scientific preservation.
  • After Volgin's body is recovered in Chapter 2, his body is kept on the quarantine strut of Motherbase.
  • However, his body is eventually crushed by the ST-84 Metal Gear's loading platform.
BOSS FIGHTS

  • THE SKULLS

    Fog Version - Missions 1 and 6.

    Armoured Version - Missions 16, 29 and (And 37, 42 on Extreme Difficulty Only).

    Camouflage Version - Missions 28 and 46.

  • QUIET

    Mission 11 (And 40 on Extreme Difficulty Only)

  • THE "MAN ON FIRE"

    Prologue and Mission 20

  • ELI

    Mission 23 (and Optional Mission 113).

  • SAHELANTHROPUS (METAL GEAR ST-84)

    Missions 12 and 31 (And Mission 50 on Extreme Difficulty Only)
MUSIC TAPES

The map from the guide also confirms that these are some of the music tapes that are collectable from different locations.

These are in addition to some of the other music tapes that have already been confirmed:

 
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WrenchNinja

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The last time he wrote a player surrogate character, he gave the character a back story in the end and had the character reject player control to show that the character had become his own man

This random msf guy got a raw deal
 
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Yabberwocky

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thabtoUK, you're too good to us!

...every time I see Gloria linked to, I'm compelled to play it again. God, the lyrics are even kinda plot relevant, what the hell.
 
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The Silver

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the more I think about this, the more Big Boss comes across as a coward. Like damn man, Skullface got you that shook?

Man I really gotta see how it all plays out in the game.
 
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DarkLordMalik

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Excellent post and summary as always. Thanks!

That said, I still can't understand Kojima's comment on the appearance of Quiet. Why would we be ashamed? I mean she obviously suffered major damage in the prologue and that required her to use the parasites. But why is she dressed like that in the game?
 
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WrenchNinja

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DarkLordMalik said:
Excellent post and summary as always. Thanks!

That said, I still can't understand Kojima's comment on the appearance of Quiet. Why would we be ashamed? I mean she obviously suffered major damage in the prologue and that required her to use the parasites. But why is she dressed like that in the game?
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Maybe he actually believed his own bullshit.
 
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Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Enemies stay on alert for way longer than in GZ holy shit.

EDIT:He was able to get into the base by switching stances on the horse when an enemy noticed it. That AI..
 
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Gun Animal

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shocky2002 said:
Hard to believe Kojima had all of 5 years to think through this storyline and he came up with this.
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'everyone actually likes mgs2 now, ten years later. Clearly, these same people would love it if I pulled a more elaborate version of the same stunt I pulled back then!'

People will call this game a post-modern masterpiece in 2025. People will call any game that intentionally pisses off fans a post-modern masterpiece given enough time. DmC: Devil May Cry is a post-modern masterpiece.
 
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rakhir

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Shinjica said:
So, in the first Metal gear we kill the false big boss but in the second one, solid snake kill the original one?
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Yes, that seems like it.

I still don't know who, BB or The Phantom, made Outer Heaven, did they cooperate or something, who was evil in which points.
 
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Springfoot

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robotoboy20 said:
His ideolagey shifted at the end of peace walker

https://youtu.be/rjDAxXj9H8k
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Thanks for the link and write up; Peace Walker was the only canonical game I haven't played.

I just finished watching the bulk of KefkaProduction's Peace Walker 'movie' (including the final ending), and holy crap does it get ridiculous. The cheeseball fan service quintuple crossing suicidal singing ghost butterfly artificial intelligence shenanigans in the ending were hard to watch without cringing. I went back and rewatched the end of MGS3 to see how similar it was, but while it had its own blend of cheese, it wasn't even in the same orbit as Peace Walker. The difference Tomokazu Fukushima made in grounding Kojima is palpably evident watching the two endings side by side.

Your explanation of how the ending dialog in the linked clip was intended to explain Big Boss's actions makes sense (at least in the context of the batty Kojiverse), but it makes BBoss sound like a bit of a whiny sadsack. It also still makes his later manipulations in MGS5 feel awkwardly forced without giving him a fleshed out, full game-length 'descent into villainy' story arc.


Ishida said:
1) No Hayter in any way, shape or form.

2) Something about the parasites inside her body not being able to breathe or something like that. I don't remember, but it was some bullshit Kojima-esque explanation. The REAL explanation? Fan service, as most people already suspected.
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Well Kojima really out-Kojima'd the internet on both counts then. I was never in the camp who was all that upset (startled at first perhaps) with the change in voice actors, but I wasn't going to be surprised if it ended up being another one of Kojima's PR stunts, possibly with Hayter popping up in another character near the end of the game. But nope, didn't happen.

Similarly, I was genuinely interested to learn what story explanation was going to make Quiet's outfit not simply a heaping dose of pubescent fan service and instead knock my socks off with surprise at Kojima's mature commentary on the dichotomy of gender depictions in videogames. But another big nope on that one as well; the internet called it what it was and was right on the money.

It feels like as Kojima refines deeper and more intricately layered gameplay systems, everything else gets dumbed down and muddied up. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, but I'm still reeling after watching a couple hours of his Peace Walker dialog and characterization.
 
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FreeQuebec86

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Omg there is a other stream that seem very "far"

Can i post it here? It's on insta.... something xD ( + i dont want his stream to get too much publicity )
 
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Forkball

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I think I'm more excited for the intense meltdown that will happen on GAF after everyone watches the ending than I am for the actual game.
 
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shocky2002

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Forkball said:
I think I'm more excited for the intense meltdown that will happen on GAF after everyone watches the ending than I am for the actual game.
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It will be insane imo

those of us who've read the spoilers will end up getting a better experience out of the ruse cruise than the ones in the other threads oblivious to this ending lmao
 
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cyress8

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Guard AI is pretty good. Still blind as fuck, but when on alert they are efficient. Or it might be because the guy streaming is pretty bad at stealthing.

thabtoUK said:
Anyone know what mission this guy is on? Quote for the stream ;-)
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He is on mission 5 - Over the Fence
I think that is the name.
 
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thabtoUK

who knows?
I need my source to confirm just be sure, but I'm pretty sure that Mission 46 is the second ending and there is still one more to be unlocked.

Also:

http://twitter.com/Ken1555/status/636438577258196992

Looks like the stream we're watching is gonna be shut down soon :-(

Also, if someone is feeling ballsy enough, can you tweet my last update post to Ken and see what he says?

I'd do it myself, but I'm pretty sure it would be better coming from someone else ;-)
 
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Springfoot

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mgs2master2 said:
Someone just reported the stream to ken on Twitter. Party over soon?
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So I'm not sure if anyone can chime in, but is there any law being broken by allowing this stream to continue? As far as I'm aware, there would simply be bad blood between this site and Konami, but I'm pretty sure the streaming site doesn't give a shit as they wouldn't be on Konami's radar or benefit by appealing to them in the first place. Meanwhile, they're getting a ton of viewers who weren't aware the site existed before today.

If I'm totally off base, though, I'm interested to learn what laws are actually being broken by allowing this broadcast.
 
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snake_eater_raiden

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thabtoUK said:
I need my source to confirm just be sure, but I'm pretty sure that Mission 46 is the second ending and there is still one more to be unlocked.

Also:

http://twitter.com/Ken1555/status/636438577258196992

Looks like the stream we're watching is gonna be shut down soon :-(

Also, if someone is feeling ballsy enough, can you tweet my last update post to Ken and see what he says?

I'd do it myself, but I'm pretty sure it would be better coming from someone else ;-)
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Solid Snake is in the last mission. It's a remake of the original MG2 and see him Kill Big Boss. Snake is voiced by Hayter. This the the final ending, right?
 
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Rynam

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Springfoot said:
So I'm not sure if anyone can chime in, but is there any law being broken by allowing this stream to continue? As far as I'm aware, there would simply be bad blood between this site and Konami, but I'm pretty sure the streaming site doesn't give a shit as they wouldn't be on Konami's radar or benefit by appealing to them in the first place. Meanwhile, they're getting a ton of viewers who weren't aware the site existed before today.

If I'm totally off base, though, I'm interested to learn what laws are actually being broken by allowing this broadcast.
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I think it's a DMCA violation because you're showing stuff and konami doesn't want it because they have the rights for the Graphics/Assets/etc.
 
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CJM0929

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I am playing MGSV:GZ and I need to rescue the prisoners of the MISSION : Destroy the Anti - Air Emplacement, and I also need to finish the the Deja Vu Mission. but when I press the start button to go to the main menu it doesn't connect to the server and leave me with this MSG "The MGSV:GZ service is not available. Please try again later. (10003)" . I want to rescue those prisoners and complete the Deja Vu mission to unlock the Sneaking Suit and transfer the prisoners to TPP. I'm worried that because of the server error i't will not count anything and will not transfer anything to TPP.

Does that server error will affect the transfer in some way? or its just a simple gamesave transfer?

System : Xbox One

(English is not my first language, any error apologize.)
 
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