You seem be young enough not to realise the scale of a company that makes consumer electronics and a company that (also) fabricates ships with its own shipyards are worlds apart in scale.
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Sony Q1 2016: 3.5M PS4, Game division posts 44 billion yen operating profit
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You seem be young enough not to realise the scale of a company that makes consumer electronics and a company that (also) fabricates ships with its own shipyards are worlds apart in scale.
And why do you think there was such a big drop from then and now? just because their profitsdropped off a cliff? no, it was because of that disaster which they could not control.
Concern trolling is too serious right now
Calm waterfall
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I am listening to the Q&A and Sony expect first party software to be profitable. They have not specified which games.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Lol I know. But if they only make £153m each quarter, they'll be massively down on last year for the full financial year.
Jarod McChicken
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One thing that could be highlighted is the 44 billion yen operating income for the video game segment. It's actually bigger than the 40 billion yen they made during the octobrer - december 2015 quarter, when Sony shipped 8.4 million PS4.
I find this quite crazy. Of course, having two big hits in the first party space must help (Uncharted & Ratchet) but still, april - june was a very quiet quarter as a whole. And yet PlayStation breaks its operating income record right there.
If the NEO is out this year during Q4, I can't even imagine the kind of results they could achieve this holidays.
I find this quite crazy. Of course, having two big hits in the first party space must help (Uncharted & Ratchet) but still, april - june was a very quiet quarter as a whole. And yet PlayStation breaks its operating income record right there.
If the NEO is out this year during Q4, I can't even imagine the kind of results they could achieve this holidays.
in Q2/Q3? I doubt that.
That's a very big IF. Also, you should take into account what many people have already told you about the disaster and all.
30yearsofhurt
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All that moolah and they can't sling a little BluePoint's way for a Demon's Souls remaster?
Haha, I know. Those posts are just crazy.
gundamkyoukai
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Good results for PS and Sony .
Things would have been much better but there is nothing you can do about a earthquake .
Last few years Kaz has really made things better for them .
Things would have been much better but there is nothing you can do about a earthquake .
Last few years Kaz has really made things better for them .
Coulomb_Barrier
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Omg dude. You basically came out with a questionable statement and now are trying to defend it. Sony WERE bigger than Samsung. Just read it and stop arguing as you are digging yourself a bigger hole:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/773d4bee-7d8f-11da-875c-0000779e2340.html#axzz4FmhHdyLJ
Samsung steps up with $102bn market cap
This was written in 2006.
15 years ago Sony was bigger than Samsung for certain. Just because you don't remember doesn't mean it wasn't true. Lol.
Sonys PlayStation division accounted for 78% of its Q1 2016 profits
Rename the company to PlayStation Corporation.
They're coming off the back of the 2014 hack, and restructuring. It usually turns a decent profit.
gundamkyoukai
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He did say that Sony were bigger in markets share value years ago .
Still i think he is talking about the company size and what they make .
Coulomb_Barrier
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They've only project 80 billion yen profit for the full year though. Massively down on last financial year and for whatever reason (I know factors like earthquake + yen strength but still).
Jarod McChicken
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This is shipped, it's always shipped when it comes to the quarter results =)
they were already on the up at that time with their PS+ offerings and generally way better exclusive output. PS3 was a much better system at the end of it's cycle that it was at the start. now, would i have expected this in 2009? Hell no. i thought MS was going to dominate from that point on. 360 was simply the better system back then.
Great results for Sony especially Playstation.
Im surprised that they are up in 400K PS4 sales compared to Q1 2015.
This years inevitable vanilla PS4 price drop once Neo drops should provide a very welcome boost especially in overseas markets.
Holy shit!
Im surprised that they are up in 400K PS4 sales compared to Q1 2015.
This years inevitable vanilla PS4 price drop once Neo drops should provide a very welcome boost especially in overseas markets.
Sony’s PlayStation division accounted for 78% of its Q1 2016 profits
Holy shit!
Dude you're citing market cap (literally what people/market/ think feel a share is worth=subjective valuation), that's not the same thing as being in a class of corporation that has/had large interests in Heavy industry/defence/shipbuilding
Your argument is as inane as comparing GE with Apple.
Ahh that's also interesting and good to note.
Wish they could be specific but nice to know first party investments are paying off.
Means more great games far as I'm concerned.
I'm really curious do some people really do that? I mean comparing GE and Apple?
The Praiseworthy
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Wow...... So happy for sony
They are the same console, the difference is not huge and most people who knew about the leak don't care.
At least we know that next July they will have a sure hit.
I'm out of the loop in comic book lore. Why does he have Captain Fuck Yeah's shield?
It would take a credulous simpleton to do so, or a argument made in incredibly bad faith.
Maybe Spiderman will succeed.
civil war
Great results did not expect that big of an increase. But I guess the delay of UC4 allowed them to ship more consoles this quarter.
I would expect shipments to be slightly down or flat in Q2 as they clear shelf space for neo and a revised ps4 in Q3.
So much worry for PS and Sony. Glad to know gamers care.
I would expect shipments to be slightly down or flat in Q2 as they clear shelf space for neo and a revised ps4 in Q3.
So much worry for PS and Sony. Glad to know gamers care
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vivftp
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Since the topic of Sony, Samsung and their history has come up, I figured I might ask something I'd heard about. I'd heard back in the day Sony and Samsung shared a manufacturing facility for LCD TV panels. Sony had the superior tech and through this facility Samsung were able to steal/borrow info from Sony to improve their tech.
Anyone know if that was true?
Anyone know if that was true?
catashtrophe
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I think a Ratchet, Jak or Sly could have done very well if it have good writers, a good budget, Big name voices, good animation studio behind it. Also theirs no need to market these to just gamers, just target families and kids.
I think Uncharted could have done well as a fun adventure movie again with the right cast/director/budget and both GOW and Heavenly Sword had potential as big budget action movies with the right director/budget etc.
The amount of trash Sony Pictures releases and wastes money on, it probably wouldn’t have hurt to try any of the above.
vivftp
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At least we know that next July they will have a sure hit.
June should be pretty big for them too...
I must have missed the Microsoft quarterly report thread. Do we really have confirmation that the XB1 was down compared to the same timeframe as last year? I wouldn't be surprised since the XB1 has been done notably YoY in the US, but did Microsoft release shipment numbers or is it guesswork?
Revenue based guesswork.
I thought so, Microsoft would rather exit the console market than reveal sales figures, LOL.
S-LCD
Sony did not have the capital to have a factory/s for LCD production so they went in with Samsung and had the fabrication facilities in Korea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-LCD
Things went a bit south and Japan Display was created with Hitachi, Toshiba, Sony and large investment (subsidy) from the Japanese government/INCJ. (some could argue with the Government investment that there was lobbying to "re-nationalise" production of LCD in spite of poor margins).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Display
INCJ is pretty much a Japanese government subsidy arm for Japanese firms. It's creation was due to a Japanese law being signed to spend medium and small firms out of difficulties in 2009.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INCJ
UnemployedVillain
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I don't know what the size of those markets are relative to gaming, but simply stating that they profited when their combined profits are only around 1/3 of gaming for the quarter, doesn't seem to bode too well...
Nightengale
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Every quarter performs differently due to different environments.
DracoBlade
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It's nice to see positive profit rather than billion loss in headlines for once. Glad, for the most part, this generation is ramping smoothly.
vivftp
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I thought Japan Display was only a spinoff of the small/medium display branches from Sony, and had nothing to do with their television department.
To put things in prospective
Sony Posts Surprise Profit as Games Outweigh Sagging Sensors
Sony Posts Surprise Profit as Games Outweigh Sagging Sensors
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...urprise-profit-as-games-outweigh-sagging-sens
It literally folded the manufacturing LCD arms of three companies into one entity meaning the three "TV" firms essentially buy panels from a "separate firm" and not incur the full costs of setup/running/manufacturing costs themselves. It's a way to write off or hide the capital out lay on another firms books. Books that are also heavily advantaged by being subsidised (and guaranteed) by the government/taxpayer.
So it's not "Bravia" being spun off, it's all the panel manufacturing and costs that the various TV divisions that would have had to carry before JD was setup. Similar to how AMD divested itself of it's own CPU foundries.