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How can the games industry resist and push back against Trump & his fascism?
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Make Sunset Overdrive 2 so we can continue to stick it to the man. The goo is Orange already! It makes too much sense.
I'm not certain but I'm pretty sure that it's just that thread whining is a bannable offense.
Game idea: Donald Trump's Nuclear Football
You're the manager of the New York Giants and the president is in the stadium, watching the game. Someone has pointed out his small hands earlier a few hours ago, so he's especially volatile today. You have get your team to win the game, but you also have to keep Trump entertained. If you fail, thin skin Trump presses the big red button and starts World War III.
You're the manager of the New York Giants and the president is in the stadium, watching the game. Someone has pointed out his small hands earlier a few hours ago, so he's especially volatile today. You have get your team to win the game, but you also have to keep Trump entertained. If you fail, thin skin Trump presses the big red button and starts World War III.
Silver Arrows
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This thread is a fucking massacre, holy shit.
You can be racist and not be frothing at the mouth to lynch black folk. Racism doesn't mean you're the KKK or some race war desiring monster. It might mean you hold some shitty or ignorant views on minority groups.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I can't speak for bish, who is quite obviously the person doing the bans in this thread, but yes. If you think Lime is being hyperbolic and that's part of your reply where you consider and discuss the question, then that is not something we would ban for. If your reply is "fuck off I don't care about this thread you cunt", you're going to get banned, because that's something we always ban for, like duh?
For people who really can't help themselves, the NeoGAF Hide Forum Threads script by Jetman81 lets you hide threads by particular users, which might help with impulse control issues.
It's kind of weird. All these banned people, all these complaints about politics, and yet no one's used "sjw" yet.
I think a lot of people think racism is like a party you choose to support or not.
FerretGamer
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Trump will make Microsoft bring back Kinect for Project Scorpio
Almost sort of on-topic: I'm sitting at a restaurant in Ohio and a couple Trump supporters are sitting next to me discussing global warming. I wish I could love blog this.
More on topic: I think smarter writing in the industry could help. Write real, emotional stories about people who will suffer from this sort of national leadership.
It also wouldn't hurt to give Gamergaters the boot any time they get a chance.
More on topic: I think smarter writing in the industry could help. Write real, emotional stories about people who will suffer from this sort of national leadership.
It also wouldn't hurt to give Gamergaters the boot any time they get a chance.
this 100% will never happen. steam is run by a group of people who think their platform can be apolitical, as delusional as that is.
Its because they use the word cuck now.
A line for all ages. Is this taken from a movie?
I am curious to how unity can happen. As a straight white male do I throw minorities and gay people under the bus to get this unity?
Because I am not going to.
Jawmuncher
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I feel like the industry as a whole has done well against stuff like GG as well. While it's possible that such ideals from members of such groups might rise. I still say the industry won't so easily do a 180 on the changes they have been making for the better.
I don't see anyone submitting to fear and instead they stand up and do what they think is right. Which is continued support on ideas such as the OP has highlighted.
AmuroChan
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Please tell me how he's going to do that. When he was campaigning, the narrative was that he was a con man and that he won't accomplish anything he said he would do. Now the narrative has changed to him being able to do what no other President has been able to do in the past and convince all these career politicians to abandon their principles and let him do whatever he wants? People can't have it both ways. He can't be both a snake oil salesman who won't get anything done and some genius dictator who will be able to pass legislation that no other President could possibly pass.
I think by phrasing the OP in the tone that you did you are going to get a very one-sided conversation. You are presenting your views("fascism") as fact and basing everything on that so those that take a less hyperbolic view are going to have a hard time even getting into the conversation.
But in regards to that conversation - if a developer team as a whole decides to "make a point" then I'd personally hope it would be something along the lines of games like 'Inside' - not knowing what exactly the game was about, the first few minutes I thought
and something like that with it's heavy atmosphere is rather going to make me think than some outright obvious Trump parodies (like that one guy in Mafia III or maybe Blume from WD2, but I'm not sure about the latter, just got the impression a bit from the trailers).
If I play a game that doesn't advertise with being a political commentary but then the game goes on to be just that - sorry but I don't want that. One example of that to me was Dreamfall: Chapters - at times it felt like a game written by activist bloggers trying to convey "european right-wing politicians and bad'n shitt!!". No, make it more abstract, nuanced and believeable instead.
As for influence on reviews - god no. I think it is ok that there are outlets - like Polygon, eventhough they are sometimes very inconsistent as well(for example completely ignoring the lack of central powers perspective in BF1) - that cater to this and have it influence their scores - but in general? No. You simply have to accept that the people for whom a protagonist being white would actually negatively influence the score of a game is extremely low. (Mainstream) Video game reviews should not be political hit pieces or social commentary in my opinion. If you want that special scoop, go for those special outlets that cater to this (like Polygon).
Btw, general question - are the moderators in OT / Gaming the same people or different ones?
*edit* also seconding Papers Please as a good example of a game that can make you think (in regards to these difficult topics) without appearing super obnoxious, condescending or teachy
But in regards to that conversation - if a developer team as a whole decides to "make a point" then I'd personally hope it would be something along the lines of games like 'Inside' - not knowing what exactly the game was about, the first few minutes I thought
the kid might be a concentration camp escapee or something similar, running through the woods away from executions/from persecutors
If I play a game that doesn't advertise with being a political commentary but then the game goes on to be just that - sorry but I don't want that. One example of that to me was Dreamfall: Chapters - at times it felt like a game written by activist bloggers trying to convey "european right-wing politicians and bad'n shitt!!". No, make it more abstract, nuanced and believeable instead.
As for influence on reviews - god no. I think it is ok that there are outlets - like Polygon, eventhough they are sometimes very inconsistent as well(for example completely ignoring the lack of central powers perspective in BF1) - that cater to this and have it influence their scores - but in general? No. You simply have to accept that the people for whom a protagonist being white would actually negatively influence the score of a game is extremely low. (Mainstream) Video game reviews should not be political hit pieces or social commentary in my opinion. If you want that special scoop, go for those special outlets that cater to this (like Polygon).
Btw, general question - are the moderators in OT / Gaming the same people or different ones?
*edit* also seconding Papers Please as a good example of a game that can make you think (in regards to these difficult topics) without appearing super obnoxious, condescending or teachy
Give it a few more pages trust me someone's gonna say it while whining that the mods are biased or some shit.
This post is a prime example of what I'm talking about.
"Gee, he says we should unify..but that would mean he must be willing to throw all of the minorities and the gay people under the bus. HOW DARE YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT, DOT50CAL!"
Get that shit out of my face.
Lionel Richie
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I'm playing this game right now and 100% agree with this.
Movalpolos
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Their negligence will only foster that community and racism will prevail there. That's completely unacceptable.
There isn't enough pressure on them. Plenty of people just give steam a pass.
How the fuck can we unify when half the country is supporting an asshole whose main appeal was his racist and sexist views.
We want unity, but they don't want us.
It's really not due to "some reason". The hate that people are experiencing right now for traits they can't control (i.e.: skin color, gender, where they were born) goes against the terms of service for not just NeoGAF but also pretty much what every major company (whether gaming or not) has for their human resource policies.
So yeah, forums and companies for that matter are letting people with these views "have a death grip" since those views do not go against their policies. I mean, I can somewhat understand how the fashion of some of these posts could be annoying but I would rather see a message that supports treating people fairly in all caps than a post that pushes a view that goes completely against that in all caps.
An establishment that's controlled by the GOP
Hard to unify for someone when THE KKK is hosting a parade BECAUSE HE WON
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20161112_Racist_messages_target_black_freshmen_at_UPenn_with__lynching_.html?mobi=true
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/busted-teacher-caught-taunting-students-their-parents-will-be-deported-now-that-trump-is-president/
I don't know what it is, but I get the feeling these people aren't interested in starting a conversation.
right wing posts hated obama because he was black. or a muslim. or actually born in kenya. those posts fear trump and his republican administration because they're in a position to do what they've wanted to do for years and years and years, strip people of their rights. you don't see the disconnect from trying to compare the two as equal?
Sushen
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I wonder why this is in gaming section while there is non gaming section. Where is moderators?
Why yes, if you rewrite the post to be way more antagonistic than it was I guess that post is what youre talking about.
he's a snake oil salesman because 1) he doesn't actually believe anything he says and 2) his policies will not help anyone other than himself and his cronies. that doesn't mean he won't do any of it.
part of the reason for this is because the people who will work for the trump administration are the dregs and castoffs of the republican party because those are the people who were instantly loyal to him. trump may not care about oppressing muslims through the legal system, but attorney general rudy giuliani will. trump may not care about deporting hispanics, but secretary of homeland security joe arpaio will.
his administration is already filling up with open white supremacists and authoritarians. we need to start believing him when he talks about policy.
Shadylunchbox
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This thread needs to head straight to OT don't ruin Gaming with political shit.
Yep, I'm sure everyone who voted for Trump is exactly like that. You can cherry pick morons on both sides, but that isn't going to change the fact that 25% of the county voted for Trump. But I get that it is easy to paint one side with a broad stroke and dismiss any of their concerns.
They could start by not feeding into alt-right bullshit on twitter.
Maybe it's for the best gamers as a collective are politically impotent, they can't really be trusted to be empathetic.
*multiple countries in the world losing ground to diet fascism*
"I just want to talk vidya gaems."
As if. Game industry is socio-politically fucked if you look at who its beloved figureheads are.
Maybe it's for the best gamers as a collective are politically impotent, they can't really be trusted to be empathetic.
*multiple countries in the world losing ground to diet fascism*
"I just want to talk vidya gaems."
(Looks at graveyard of grayed out names.)
Silver Arrows
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guess what
art is inherently political in all forms, whether it is music, games, etc
so enjoy your ban for thread shitting
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In actual accordance to the thread topic, they can barely do enough to give a fuck about diversity in the actual industry, what can they do against a fascist president?
Scientist Supreme!
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The industry's response to Gamergate is exactly why I'm worried. While some loudly denounced them other mainly paid non-specific lip service against it.
Right? It's all so ironic.
I think it's a good sign people are willing to fight against his statements, just wish they'd be this vigilant towards anyone working against their interests, not just when it comes to racism or bigotry.
I've got to know, what are they saying?
It's incredible that denying basic physics somehow isn't just an acceptable stance in any supposedly modern, industrialized nation in 2016 but even allows you to successfully run for office and be elected president instead of being rightfully ridiculed as the laughingstock you are and relegated to a footnote in history.
What's next, gravity denial?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Threads about political issues in games, gaming, or the gaming industry (including political donations from the industry, government regulation, representation and culture, labour and union issues, etc.) are welcome on the gaming side or the off-topic side (or both in rare cases!) depending on what the OP thinks, and always have been since well before I joined the forum ten years ago.
Also remember that every time you reply to a thread, it gets bumped, so replying to a thread that you don't want to exist is exactly counterproductive, and replying to a thread you don't want to exist to ask a moderation question just means a moderator will come by later to answer by bumping the thread yet again.
I would highly recommend using the NeoGAF Hide Thread extension if there's a specific type of thread you want to ignore.
AmuroChan
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Yes, but neither GOP or Democrats is really his home base so to speak. He ran on the GOP ticket, but the guy has flip-flopped between being Democrat and Republican for 20 years and have taken both stances on just about every issue (ie. abortion, trade, taxes, gay marriage, etc) over the years. So he's very much a political enigma. In fact, a lot of pundits think he'll actually work better with Democrats like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer than Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.
ElBoxyBrown
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It's cool if a Trump presidency doesn't effect you. Just don't come in here shit posting like we're all gonna be fine.
Rexatality
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Encourage more diversity and denounce hatred and bigotry. Teaching empathy to a lot of people in gaming industry would help as well (Though that seems like a long shot)
Holy hell at the first page bans. Are politics really that allergic to gaming side? ._.
Holy hell at the first page bans. Are politics really that allergic to gaming side? ._.
You couldn't be more wrong. This is about morality, not politics. People are afraid to go outside, afraid to have everything taken away from them. People on the right just hated Obama because he was black. Also, it wasn't our "guy". It was a woman.
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