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How can the games industry resist and push back against Trump & his fascism?

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Lime

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The industry's response to Gamergate is exactly why I'm worried. While some loudly denounced them other mainly paid non-specific lip service against it.

Like aeolist wrote, game publishers are mostly apolitical/amoral capitalists that will do what makes them the most money / not lose revenue, while simultaneously enforcing exploitative working conditions.

Perhaps the solution is two-fold:
(1) use your time & money wisely and spend it on creators & writers who need it.
(2) organize and participate in local political contexts like Stump wrote about. This is especially important.
 

Fisty

Member
Lol damn that first page graveyard

Mods WILL NOT accept nonsense lol

On topic though, I won't support any dev or pub that openly supports him, his cronies, the alt-right, or gamergate. It's all I can do as a consumer.
 
My inclination is that art is a useful outlet for catharsis and morale but rarely as an act of politics per se. Of course art is political, naturally, but in terms of connecting art to formal acts of politics to changes in outcomes, no, I don't think so. The representation debate is so potent for me precisely because it is not about formal politics, it's about individual engagement with work and how people feel about themselves. I think art matters for how we consider ourselves in the world. Also, it's not to say that there isn't value in telling personal stories even if they are politically inert. If (let's be honest: when) DACA ends, I think there is value in telling journalistic or artistic takes on the undocumented and young. I just don't think such takes prevent deportation.

I feel the same way about, say, moral boycotts of companies. If you don't want conflict diamonds, don't buy them. If you want to buy union-made clothes, do so. If you want to avoid homophobic donations, don't eat Chic-fil-A, etc. But I think you have to do those things based on your own conscience, rather than the belief that that change will actually ripple through formal politics. The latter is unlikely and counterproductive.

Jonas Kyratzes (The Sea Will Claim Everything, Talos Principle)--who if memory serves me correctly is Greek and socialist and politically active--wrote about this yesterday:
http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/2016/11/12/art-is-not-politics/

Here's a one-tweet summary of it:
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I think his angle is more revolutionary than mine, in the sense that he seems to be refuting the idea that art is enough and angry that people want to mobilize through art rather than through formal organization and participation in the process. I think people gain great value in mobilizing through art, not because it affects change, but because it helps them cope with the situation they find themselves in.

But I think if you want to resist politics you disagree with, the best way to do so is through formal politics. Take back city councils, state houses, governorships, the house, and senate, work on ballot initiatives, organize a union, etc.
Fantastic post and far better expressed than my thoughts on the subject.
 
I for one am pretty tired of the stereotypical mid 30s white guy protagonist. I wish we had more diversity. Obviously, many games feature character creators but for those that don't, it's oftentimes the same guy you play over and over, I swear. I see the point in not having a custom character due to narrative reasons but please address some other demographics too.
 

Kolgar

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The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.
 

maxiell

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Couldn't disagree more with that Kyratzes quote. Art plays such a big role in humanizing people from other backgrounds, allowing us to feel empathy for those outside our own experience.

Hollywood has done a terrible job of depicting the lives of Muslim-Americans, but I think a video game could do this substantially better.
 
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

what is this conspiracy garbage
 

PopeReal

Member
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

Lol.

Yep, all of this is just a dream.
 
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.
You've missed out your link to info wars dot com from this post pal.
 

~Kinggi~

Banned
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

Wow you are an early user too, from the old days.
 

L Thammy

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The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

Is this one of those accounts where you drop a Breitbart link, get yourself banned, then run off to 8chan to complain that NeoGAF was mean to you?
 

Alucrid

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The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

what are your suggested news sources?
 

Bgamer90

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The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

Uhhh... what? I've personally seen someone make an offensive statement at my job that goes against the company's HR policies thanks to what happened on Tuesday so what I actually saw was just a "lie"?

Do you get out much?
 
By being daring, and not afraid of opposition.

Unfortunately, a lot of the more powerful players in the games industry have been the quickest to fold under pressure, and risk taking seems to be something only indies do these days.

While online gaming communities need to be models for civil intelligent discussion, the larger problem they face is hate groups like GG simply opposing any discussion at all, rather than disagreeing with folks within a discussion.

There needs to be denouncing of hate groups, and bigotry, rather than sweeping it under the rug, or worse caving to their pressure.

We have a lot of work to do.
 

Order

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The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.
So you're saying the Donald Trump saying all those horrible things on live television didn't exist.

Amazing.
 

Agent X

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I think the important thing is that the games industry in as many instances as possible does not accept or normalize Trump's and the Republicans' fascist platforms. That they don't continue the status quo and that they don't ignore it. Feel free to add or contribute with other articles or videos or PR statements by companies that touch on this.

I think the important thing is that you don't consider the game industry as a singular hivemind.

I understand that the election didn't turn out "your way", but yours isn't the only valid opinion. Many of us here voted for Trump and other Republican politicians, for a variety of reasons. I don't believe that the members of the party or the voters who supported them fit the narrow stereotype that you're presenting.

You are entitled to your opinion. You don't like the outcome of the election. That's fine. You want to speak out against it? Be my guest. You want to see a video game that represents your specific political views? Fine...you go right ahead, learn about game development, and create that game. Just don't be upset if other people don't share your opinions, and would prefer to play and/or create games that aren't aligned precisely with your perspective.

For all of the talk of "diversity", it is tragically ironic that some of the so-called "proponents" of diversity desire to force their views on everyone else, while simultaneously stifling opposing views.
 
No, I don't want any response from the games industry. I don't even want to hear a word from anyone covering the industry either.

I tried to listen to Waypoint's new podcast. One upload must have been some ten minute politics rant from Austin. As soon as I heard him say "center left" I skipped that one. Then it happened again at the start of the latest full show. I've now given up on that podcast.
 

Dalibor68

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I for one am pretty tired of the stereotypical mid 30s white guy protagonist. I wish we had more diversity. Obviously, many games feature character creators but for those that don't, it's oftentimes the same guy you play over and over, I swear. I see the point in not having a custom character due to narrative reasons but please address some other demographics too.

I'm really allergic to this "Ugh, another white male protagonist". In this case you used the words stereotypical and mid-30s, so I'm not basing this directly on you. But the problem is that people equate "white male protagonist" with ripped, angry 30-something, bald/brown-haired american space marine. That doesn't somehow represent white people. I'm central european and I sure as hell don't feel somehow represented by that. Yet I often see these generalizations. White people =! angry american sergeant jack johnson. I have yet to see an AAA video game that represents my country or even the german-speaking region in general aside from being nazi cannon fodder. So if for example finally such a game existed and the reaction to that by some users would be - "Ugh fuck this, another white male" - don't expect any sympathy.
 
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.
Do you believe what you just wrote? Guys...Is this poster serious?

Back on topic. I was very happy to see many devs that I talk to on twitter express their feelings io Election Day. I just hope they keep speaking.
 
add an additional fee to any purchases made in all the states that voted for him

call it a trump tax

divert the money to support human rights causes
 

Haroon

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The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

This post is amazing. Thank you for your fine contribution to this thread. It was very insightful.
 

Catvoca

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No, I don't want any response from the games industry. I don't even want to hear a word from anyone covering the industry either.

I tried to listen to Waypoint's new podcast. One upload must have been some ten minute politics rant from Austin. As soon as I heard him say "center left" I skipped that one. Then it happened again at the start of the latest full show. I've now given up on that podcast.

They've been very open about wanting to be as diverse as possible and deal with issues, videogame or otherwise, with warmth and empathy. Thats what the "rant" you skipped was about. It's why the staff and freelancers are a diverse bunch of people. I don't think they're going to miss you.
 
Do you believe what you just wrote? Guys...Is this poster serious?

Back on topic. I was very happy to see many devs that I talk to on twitter express their feelings io Election Day. I just hope they keep speaking.
Oh, it likely is. I've been told the same rhetoric directly by some in my family.
 

Anarky

Banned
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

This thread just attracting all the winners eh guys?
 

Nanashrew

Banned
Next post Kolgar will make is likely talking about how we're all being hateful and not as inclusive as we all say we are.

It will be deja vu.
 

Lime

Member
Fantastic post and far better expressed than my thoughts on the subject.

Couldn't disagree more with that Kyratzes quote. Art plays such a big role in humanizing people from other backgrounds, allowing us to feel empathy for those outside our own experience.

Hollywood has done a terrible job of depicting the lives of Muslim-Americans, but I think a video game could do this substantially better.

The question is what the relationship between formal politics and art exactly is. What do art do to its audiences and how does it activate political consciousness? Doesn't art influence how we perceive the world and based on this perception act on it, and in turn influence formal politics? And doesn't activism within media industries make up a type of formal politics?

I totally agree that making art / communication isn't simply isn't enough, action has to be taken. At the same time, we cannot dismiss the status that art / communication holds for how we understand the world. I'm not sure about the argument Kyratzes makes, but it asks some necessary questions I think. The important part is that action is necessary and that's what we all need to do in some way or another.
 

Fisty

Member
add an additional fee to any purchases made in all the states that voted for him

call it a trump tax

divert the money to support human rights causes

I am so glad I moved out of Florida last year. To see that shift back to red was just nauseating
 
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

so that black church that was burned down in my state with the words "Vote Trump" graffitied on the side was just some X-Men style Danger Room simulation shit?

guess i'll just sit my ass down then
 

Chumley

Banned
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

40% of Trump voters think Obama is a secret Muslim. Physical assault of black protestors is a common thing at his rallies. Trump wanted the central park 5 executed even after they were exonerated. Trump didn't want blacks in his buildings decades ago. He began the birther movement. A black church was burned down with "Vote Trump" spray painted on the side. He initially did not disavow the KKK and when pressed did it in literally the most milquetoast way anyone could disavow anything. I could go on, but please do tell how he's not actually racist or there isn't a deep strain of racism in his base.
 

Occam

Member
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

There are facts and fiction. On one side there is scientifically observable reality (which should be taught in school), and on the other side there is your place of residence, the fantastic land of make-believe.
 
No, I don't want any response from the games industry. I don't even want to hear a word from anyone covering the industry either.

I tried to listen to Waypoint's new podcast. One upload must have been some ten minute politics rant from Austin. As soon as I heard him say "center left" I skipped that one. Then it happened again at the start of the latest full show. I've now given up on that podcast.
You do realize the game industry isn't some amorphous entity, but made up of people who are and will be affected by this election, right? And that like movies, music, and such, those experiences will influence and be expressed in their work, be it games or writing about games?
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

I mean...have you listened to what Trump and his campaign says? Because if you had you would call it out as bigoted, racist and homophobic, there is no liberal bias on that.
 

daedalius

Member
This thread is a graveyard, wow.

XBL should have done some vote information like last time, I'm pretty sure I saw "go vote" all over the place in 2012.

More empathetic storylines, more diversity with main and secondary characters, maybe story's that can focus on how easy it is to "other" the enemy instead of seeing them just as targets (don't ask me how though)

All I can think of for now
 
I hate Trump with a passion, but I'm sad to see people in this thread still missing the point about what's going on with this wave and the form of political protest going around the world. Brexit and Trump.., this is only the start, and we need more common sense rather than more knee-jerk extremism to take the point and make something good out of it. If you don't let people take part in shaping the future, if you don't let people take part in owning what's right and wrong, there's going to be a lot worse than Trump coming our way.

True stuff. Extremism on both sides is a major issue and if we don't try to approach things from a different angle, they're going to get worst before they get better.
 
This post is a prime example of what I'm talking about.

"Gee, he says we should unify..but that would mean he must be willing to throw all of the minorities and the gay people under the bus. HOW DARE YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT, DOT50CAL!"

Get that shit out of my face.

Your making light of the fact that a man who was endorsed by the fucking KKK is now our President. In 2016.
 

Nanashrew

Banned
40% of Trump voters think Obama is a secret Muslim. Physical assault of black protestors is a common thing at his rallies. Trump wanted the central park 5 executed even after they were exonerated. Trump didn't want blacks in his buildings decades ago. He began the birther movement. A black church was burned down with "Vote Trump" spray painted on the side. I could go on, but please do tell how he's not actually racist or there isn't a deep strain of racism in his base.

I don't think facts will get to them. Kolgar and few posters I've seen have largely laughed at the reactions happening in Trump threads. They like Trump, believes in the conspiracies about media outlets and so on.
 

Caelus

Member
The OP is a sad reminder of how our education system is stacked with liberals bent on indoctrinating young Americans with Leftist bullshit.

Amazing as it sounds, OP, everything you think you know is a lie. So before you go off burning a flag or trying to wage war against your "oppressors," give it some time. I think you will find that all this "Trump voters are bigoted, racist, homophobic rubes!!!111" stuff is just a bunch of hooey propagated to create an entire generation of useful idiots.

Change your news sources; they are lying to you. Use your head and think critically for yourself.

You've been duped.

Forgot the '/s'

I know you didn't.
 

Lime

Member
add an additional fee to any purchases made in all the states that voted for him

call it a trump tax

divert the money to support human rights causes

You could probably argue that the biggest game companies should donate their profits to civil rights organizations - ACLU, Planned Parenthood, SPL, BLM, and so on. That would be one step for them (in addition to fixing their own problems).
 
I don't think facts will get to them. Kolgar and few posters I've seen have largely laughed at the reactions happening in Trump threads. They like Trump, believes in the conspiracies about media outlets and so on.

Of course. If they aren't American, or are a white straight male, a group that is pretty much shielded from Trump and the incoming government's actions, they don't give a damn. Everything is hunky dory to them, and they could care less what happens to racial and sexual minorities. But don't you get politics in my video games tho!
 

RK128

Member
With more studios, publishers and developers being more inclusive in game development and software production, I do not think that Trump will turn back time on progress made with representation in the realm of video games.

People have a voice, a powerful voice and they will express it. Like the OP of this thread pointed out, studios and developers are already taking action to promote kindness and inclusion through different examples (like Gone Home being free for this weekend).

As a future teacher, I feel personally effected by the election and seeing the horrific attacks people have been facing has gotten me angry and distracted from writing. But I feel this is good; we need to face the reality that our world is faced with an overwhelming sense of bitter darkness that we need to start breaking through to protect our fellow people of this nation.

With games the Mass Effect series opening supporting the LGBT community and games like 'Papers, Please' showing important parts of history, we will grow as a community. I will make it clear that I am upset with the actions Trump might move forward with and do my best to ensure my writing offers people some form or sense of relief and happiness from the likely horrors we will be facing in 2017.

People have a right to be upset and I hope we can unite as a nation in the future. But for the moment, we need to work together to ensure that everyone remains safe in the coming months. I have a really bad feeling the worst is yet to come :(.
 
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