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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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I'm gonna be honest, I just skipped ahead to see the DBZ translation of what the numbers meant.
Yo I appreciate this actually. Thanks homie. ✌️
Have you seen the DQXI PS4 version ? I wouldn't say that it looks graphically amputed at all. I really can't wait to see how the Switch version looks like.
We're talking about the Skyrim special edition and the UE4 version of DQXI, the two versions that the Switch will get.
TheGreyHulk
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Depends on how big the batter is in the Switch and how much power the chip uses. It being based on the TX1 20nm or 28nm? means it's not on cutting endge manufacturing node that would use significantly less power for the same level of performance.
The low clocks makes it seem like they did what they did to meet their mobile goals. I would hope it matches the 3ds. gonna have to wait and see
Vita has slightly better battery life than the 3Ds and better than the rumoured Switch battery life(which is to be expected due to the lack of fan).
Now if it's confirmed that it's a really really low power console..
Man Nintendo may be fucked with the way they present things here, and the project itself.
I'd be ok to call it a portable, and that's still a great update for that, except.. It's not really discussed enough but that form factor is crappy for a portable. I mean a portable that you take out.
I don't see a japanese kid having this. It's not about tiny hands or anything. It's that nds and 3ds looked more toyish, more kid friendly. Imagine a kid taking the 3ds with him to school. Now, picture the same kid taking that 7"+ techy thing. It's not the same thing, at all. I mean look at what are the nds and 3ds, in term of how they are designed ok. Now look at teh switch. It has ZERO things in common. It's way bigger, doesn't have the clamshell design, doesn't protect its screen, has different detachable (thus breakable, losable) pieces. Look at a 3ds and a switch.. They are entirely different product, entirely. So who knows how well it will comfortably upgrade a 10 years market based on nds form factor...
All i'm saying is there is a risk here. if they don't release a Switch mini sometimes, that they weaken their main revenue source while achieving nothing on the console front.
Man Nintendo may be fucked with the way they present things here, and the project itself.
I'd be ok to call it a portable, and that's still a great update for that, except.. It's not really discussed enough but that form factor is crappy for a portable. I mean a portable that you take out.
I don't see a japanese kid having this. It's not about tiny hands or anything. It's that nds and 3ds looked more toyish, more kid friendly. Imagine a kid taking the 3ds with him to school. Now, picture the same kid taking that 7"+ techy thing. It's not the same thing, at all. I mean look at what are the nds and 3ds, in term of how they are designed ok. Now look at teh switch. It has ZERO things in common. It's way bigger, doesn't have the clamshell design, doesn't protect its screen, has different detachable (thus breakable, losable) pieces. Look at a 3ds and a switch.. They are entirely different product, entirely. So who knows how well it will comfortably upgrade a 10 years market based on nds form factor...
All i'm saying is there is a risk here. if they don't release a Switch mini sometimes, that they weaken their main revenue source while achieving nothing on the console front.
guybrushfreeman
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I don't agree on solid 1st party output on Wii U. Few games, far apart, many poor ones included. Most of the good games were sequels to Wii titles rather than new or fresh ideas. The best games are 2nd party titles of which there were far too few. It has some good games for sure but spread over the lifetime of the system the gaps in software are massive. This is subjective of course, others would disagree and that's totally fine.
For me though Nintendo need to put out drastically more quality software this time. Honestly I felt like they left the Wii U to die extremely quickly. Zelda didn't even make it before they released their next system! No one could've predicted that in the pre-launch hype of the Wii U.
You don't really know why people might think Nintendo would make the effort to rectify a problem that sunk their previous console?
I expected otherwise but I can understand why someone would think they wouldn't make the same mistake again.
jamesmccloud
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Honestly the power of the Switch matters little to me. That being said- If it's only capable of being in portable mode for a few hours before the battery dies, that's a real problem.
It's clear that their strategy was to consolidate their mobile and console development on one machine, and that's a great idea (IMO), but if the battery life is trash then it really detracts from the appeal.
Because it didn't sink the Wii. At all. You're talking about this like they've learned their lesson- They've made technologically inferior consoles for generations now. Clearly they don't see the utility in trying to compete with Sony and MS at this point. Japan has largely moved on, maybe they're trying too as well.
Nintendo seems to think that they just need the right gimmick to get people back on board. On paper, the idea is great. We'll see how the execute it.
1.25
How about Dark Souls 3?
see: the first post you quoted
Graphics Horse
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Probably to keep development as simple as possible under the circumstances and not make the handheld versions feel excessively gimped as a consequence of giving devs two disparate modes. Whatever they have chosen for handheld mode dictates everything.
The Hermit
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Oh
Sweet summer child.
You are in denial. The specs are probably real, but what matters is how they use them.
If anything the specs will turn out worse than currently reported.
q: why does it need fans then?
a: cuz no one would buy it otherwise.
thats about it.
nkarafo
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I guess that makes more sense. Although i was hoping for a 3DS like situation where some games would run at 60fps when the 3D was off.
This does seem to be the case, all the supposed leaks we have had have suggested something more powerful. When I first heard the Eurogamer leak of a hybrid machine my heart sank (being a console only gamer), but subsequent tidbits got my hopes up somewhat, only to be dashed once more.
If this is what Nintendo think their new home console should be (at least according to their PR), then I am lost for words...
So basically the handheld is a portable Wii U and something a bit more powerful when docked to support higher output resolutions.
We have not seen a single screen from those games.
Skyrim runs on the PS3 as well.
Same thing for DQXI, between the 3DS version and the PS4 version there are a lot of things in between.
We have not seen a single screen from those games.
Skyrim runs on the PS3 as well.
Same thing for DQXI, between the 3DS version and the PS4 version there are a lot of things in between.
toadsworth
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these specs aren't even that bad why is everyone losing their mind.
I'm more worried about their online setup than these specs tbh.
I'm more worried about their online setup than these specs tbh.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Neither of these are facts as neither have been confirmed.
Dreams-Visions
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there was a visible reaction and swift rejection of the suggestion this would be Maxwell from the Nintendo hardcore. It's fair to say that not everyone was willing to accept that once again the new Nintendo system would be that behind. Well, here we are again.
It will be instant replay from the last 2 gens, so if you want to play 3rd party games, you better get an XBox, PS or PC.
OrbitalBeard
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Yes, they need to attract more than their core fanbase, but plenty of other people love Nintendo as well. And Switch can appeal to them with the right price and the right software.
ViewtifulJC
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We ain't getting a console now
Father_Brain
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Nintendo hasn't made any serious effort to target the Sony/MS demographic since the N64 era, but hey, let's just keep pretending that hardware performance is the only thing keeping Switch from getting every AAA third-party game. *drinks heavily*
I will never understand why it's so damn hard for so many Nintendo fans to accept that they should just buy another platform for third-party support. It's not like this is a new development.
Hatty
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3DS Is doing fine, I'd imagine the switch would carry over most of the support the 3DS got.
Also Pokémon
RichiRamjag
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So 500-600gflops seems a safe bet unless there is an increase in cores.
I see we entered the bargaining stage.
FP32:
WiiU=176
Switch docked=393
Switch undocked=157
Vita=20
3DS=lol
XboxOne=1300
Edit: beaten like the Switch in handheld mode.
guybrushfreeman
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It's not impossible but I agree with the other posters it's probably unlikely. In fact, as you said some titles did that on the 3DS, very few. Probably about the same situation here in terms of massive frame rate jumps. In both cases the CPU clocks don't change and for many games that will mean the frame rate will be bottle necked by the CPU before the GPU anyway.
Relaxed Muscle
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Who said that?, and we're talking about a game running on a 1.8Gflops machine being ported to a 0.159Gflops console. The difference is big enough that the devs may choose porting the 3DS with extra effects and res.
I just don't understand that after WiiU they willingly would go for niche.
LKD has said this since Eurogamers article went up
Which doesn't make sense if the system features a standard CUDA core count.
So are there going to be 'dock only' games? If so, then ports should be fine and that would make the 'homeconsole first' thing more understandable.
I agree, especially coming From them. But it's the only piece of information we have from a developer on Switch regarding performance right now. I weren't there for those threads, is this worse than those?
Kssio_Aug
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Stronger hardware won't necessarily attract new players. I believe people wanting to play multiplaform games have already acquired a PS4/XB1/PC. Of course I'm not saying that 3rd party support won't help Switch a ton (it definitely would), but I don't think some people are looking at the right direction here...
N64 and NGC were powerful consoles and a failure in sales department. Wii had shitty hardware but was an extremely successful home console. 3DS specs are worse than a fart, yet it's undoubtedly a great handheld and still sells pretty well till this date. Vita had awesome specs and Playstation name, who could tell it would fail so much?
I'm not sure if stronger hardware would help Nintendo more than a nice price tag and convincing people that Switch is a new and good idea for people who are looking forward to play more Nintendo games. And they're feeding that will with their recent smartphone releases.
Skyrim SE performs better than the original.
We don't really know what version of DQXI is Switch getting.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Nintendo fan delusionnal 6 states:
1.Get excited over next console, with crazy high expectations
2.Dismiss most reliable rumors about the console being underpowered
3Start to negociates and thinks that it is all part of a big plan to surprise everyone"Nintendo manipulating the press"
4.Nintendo never confirms specs
5.Multiples website confirm how underpower next nintendo console is
6.Close eyes hands on the ears screaming and not hearing how everyone confirms it's underpowered
Rushersauce
Banned
Plot twist. The GPU is a custom core with 6 clusters.
purseowner
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All I'm upset about is the loss of 3D.
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