Ghost Slayer
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So can it play game in True 4K?
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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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FrankWza
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So basically, for someone not interested in 4k and just wanting 1080p and 60fps or a locked 30 the scorpio and pro are equal?
It seems like both companies made the exact same gamble, to be honest.
Only thing is that Microsoft waited a year and was able to squeeze a bit more power out of the box. I wonder whether that will have been worth it.
In some games, probably. It sounds like Forza 7 is going to be a showpiece for just that.
Head.spawn
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Yeah, they specifically said they intend to make their 1st party games 4k... what's the issue?
RedlineRonin
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Probably the best post I've seen in here. A $600 video card can't run most games at 4K60 today. Sure there's some coding benefits for consoles, but certainly not to the extent that a $400-$500 box was magically going to be able to do what a $600 video card (let alone entire PC) can't.
_/¯That would be rather pointless. They're making money off of the existing Xbox One userbase. Starting from zero at this point would be a mistake.
ultrazilla
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What's the power difference then between the rumored Scorpio specs and an Xbox One S?
The usual crowd, the system will still comfortably be the most powerful among consoles.
The same way the PS4 has games that look and run better than Xbox One. It is going to be the more powerful system by a nice chunk.
Unfair to put the spotlight on the fans.
The spotlight should be on MS. They should be heavily critisized for their BS lies.
I mean uncompressed pixels, native 4K and all that and it turns out it's just a slightly improved PS4Pro ? That's a lot of shady sh...they've said. They should be called out on that.
In hindsight Sony won again. They released the same machine a year earlier and they'll release the next gen machine earlier too. Win-win for them.
Also what a bad choice to release this machine at the end of 2017 when they could've done this in 2016 (technology wasn't available that time Phil said yeah right). Or they could've opted to wait a year extra and release a Zen machine which they didn't do either and to be frank the S was doing pretty well so it could've gone for another year or 2 no problem. The gap isn't going to be closed with Sony and with the way the Pro was selling they really could've hung on the S for a bit more.
Kenzodielocke
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I feel like every non native 4k game will hurt Microsoft. But we will see when it's out.
hanspampel
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Scorpio over XB1
GPU = 360% increase
RAM = 50% increase
Bandwith = 370% increase (- whatever ESRAM did)
CPU = we don't know shit about it yet
Ps4 Pro over Ps4
GPU = 130% increase
RAM = 6.5% more usable ram for games
Bandwith = 24% increase
CPU = 30% increase
Ok thanks. That's disappointing if true, then.
However, since this "leak" is 7 months old, I'm going to wait and see what the official word is from MS before creating any solid plans for where I spend my money this year.
I'm very sceptical of what spencer says but this is pretty much exactly what was announced when scorpio was unveiled.
Expectations that went beyond that are entirely fanmade and not based on anything he said.
The Scorpio is about 4-5x as powerful. The S had a very slight bump because of it becoming more efficient as well as better support for HDR.
GribbleGrunger
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We can't know that for certain. Germany loves their 'power' for instance. No slight intended.
For 26 millions after over 3 years, it does, as it seems.
And some of them are going to buy the Scorpio.
Yes, any game that is running at 1080p on an Xbox One should easily achieve native 4k when run on a Scorpio
They will be releasing native 4K games, Forza is almost a lock.
They still have 6 TFLOP of processing power.
There were no lies at all. Just misinterpretation. That's on the audience that can't resist overestimating everything.
Sho_Nuff82
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It will have marginally better native 4k game support, marginally better VR support, a UHD player, and Xbox games. And it might up-res non-patched One and 360 BC games. That's the selling point.
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CrimsonEclipse
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Honestly I am confused, I read the article and didn't read anything for anyone to be disappointed in...seems like they are delivering on what they intended. End of the article states its going to be a good 4K contender machine. Are people even reading the actual article or just jumping on the bandwagon train?
What's the problem here? Also....ESRAM is gone...good riddance.
And crazy expectations.
Unknown?
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Yup I was saying it was going to have the same problems as the Pro. All these people romanticizing their own expectations are in for disappointment.
Looks like it really is a knee jerk reaction to the Pro. They were caught with their pants down just like with the OG PS4 getting 8gb of ram. By the time Scorpio comes out the Pro will have a vast amount of games that utilize it and by the end of the year games will be optimized for it and looking way better than games are now. Scorpio is late to the party and will be behind in games and pricing!
Looks like it really is a knee jerk reaction to the Pro. They were caught with their pants down just like with the OG PS4 getting 8gb of ram. By the time Scorpio comes out the Pro will have a vast amount of games that utilize it and by the end of the year games will be optimized for it and looking way better than games are now. Scorpio is late to the party and will be behind in games and pricing!
ultrazilla
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That's way more of a power bump for MS than what Sony did with a Pro right? Is a PS4 Pro 4-5x more powerful than a PS4?
Edit: I saw the breakdown hanspampel posted.
You people need to explain yourself. This is embarrassing.
Explain how a system on target for 6TF is not what was promised. Explain where the lies are. Explain your stance.
Interesting specs! I think the good news is that a small improvement on the PS4 Pro means they can hit $399.99 this fall. The bad news is that based on this information, the uncompressed pixels/everything is native looks like it could end up being another lie, so the final Scorpio product could end up having a number of unforeseen tradeoffs. Obviously, we're dealing with hypotheticals and unconfirmed information, so DF could be wrong and these specs could change and improve for the better. I guess my current opinion is thumbs up for the price ��, thumbs down for the hardware ��.
The keyword in your analysis is "seems", because in reality, the vast majority of games on the PS4 Pro run better than the regular PS4. There's an excellent thread on here that highlights the improvements on regular games (on mobile so I can't find it fast).
Complicated said:
The keyword in your analysis is "seems", because in reality, the vast majority of games on the PS4 Pro run better than the regular PS4. There's an excellent thread on here that highlights the improvements on regular games (on mobile so I can't find it fast).
Maintenance
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True 4k will bite them in the ass like the dude that said 1080p/60fps for Sony.
LordOcidax
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FrankWza
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Yeah but, thats 720 or 900p vs 1080p. If theyre both super sampled down it wont be anywhere near the difference of ps4 og vs xboxone. Unless all the scorpio games run at locked 60fps.
Sho_Nuff82
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They're not going to respond.
GarthVaderUK
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Whether they are following in Sony's footsteps or not, I do think the Scorpio holds some appeal and is still going to do well for MS.
Dark Cloud
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Don't forget a certain group of fanboys will put it down since it's not their favorite console manufacturer.
MegaSackman
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PS4 Pro Pro.
Complicated
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Not sure what's going on either. Nah, I think we all know exactly what's going on. Anyways, it all sounds good and I'm on board. Need to figure out when I'm gonna get a TV though. Too much shit to buy this year.
PeterLegend
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Don't worry fellas, it still has this hardware exclusive feature called 4K Bluray player.
LordOcidax
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And the PS4 Pro over the XB1 comparison?
Salty Rice
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This is not the 360. Also the 360 at least had more exclusives than Forza and Halo.
Saying the console needs only third party is stupid.
...How did that hurt Sony?
Head.spawn
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This is what gets me. DF literally read exactly what MS confirmed at e3 (a white paper from that same date) word for word, speculated on CPU and now people are saying MS lied about something...
I swear people can't think for themselves.
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