Honestly, it says 516 cores, I just don't see it. I'm keeping expectations super low, like lower than a cheap stripper low.
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Honestly, it says 516 cores, I just don't see it. I'm keeping expectations super low, like lower than a cheap stripper low.
even if it's the same people, you can say you want nintendo to do their own thing and still be interested if nintendo hid a surprise.
Don't judge a stripper by her price.
Cuningas de Häme
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Broken Hope is talking about the straw men hiding under his bed...
What is wrong with some people? I mean, most of the folk in this thread has been wonderfully active in the discussion, trying to figure out what's inside the Switch. Then we have some coming here, yelling about people talking about better than PS4Pro and how delusional people are...
Then we have the one who just loves Ls.
There has been absolutely no single person that has said that the Switch will be even on par with XBOne. They are speaking about what the Switch can theoretically achieve, as in best case scenario. They are not saying it will be that, in fact most of them add that they believe it's something little less powerful than the aforementioned best case. Why people try to derail a wonderful tech thread spouting nonsense about things no one has said?
Chinese speaking guys, the usual Switch thread suspects and other sensible folk who actually try to engage in discussion... You're great! Keep on trucking!
What is wrong with some people? I mean, most of the folk in this thread has been wonderfully active in the discussion, trying to figure out what's inside the Switch. Then we have some coming here, yelling about people talking about better than PS4Pro and how delusional people are...
Then we have the one who just loves Ls.
There has been absolutely no single person that has said that the Switch will be even on par with XBOne. They are speaking about what the Switch can theoretically achieve, as in best case scenario. They are not saying it will be that, in fact most of them add that they believe it's something little less powerful than the aforementioned best case. Why people try to derail a wonderful tech thread spouting nonsense about things no one has said?
Chinese speaking guys, the usual Switch thread suspects and other sensible folk who actually try to engage in discussion... You're great! Keep on trucking!
TLZ
Banned
Beats me. If it's weak, they say only art matters. If they ever do release a powerful one that makes Nintendo's art shine proper, they'll be over the moon and be nonstop raving. I know I will.
So it supports what is shown here?
Again, the GPU clocks in this don't match the GFLOPS however you calculate. And there is a typo, core-croe. This is most likely a fake.
As for the actual leak in this thread, the fact that the storage is 32GB means that it is a retail like defective unit.
kikonawa
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Dat L-shaped heat pipe. FoxConn leak strikes again!
[Edit: Nvidia weren't kidding about how much work went into this thing to make it possible, from all facets. Just looking at the dense, yet clean and thoughtful layout of the board is telling. It makes certain comments about the system hardware kinda lame, as though it's a trivial thing to add more RAM, Battery capacity, storage, etc, in a space this tiny. It's a real disservice to engineers who devoted that much time and effort. I'm impressed, and hope for a round-table event similar to "Iwata Ask" special that detailed Wii U design]
Begs the question, why this small? They could have made a bigger tablet
Broken Hope
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Cuningas de Häme;230645050 said:
Just to get this out of the way before I'm accused of being a fanboy, I have the Switch pre-ordered and am getting it at launch, the first Nintendo console in years I've actually done that.
Nintendo have actually done a fair bit right with the console. It no longer looks like it was designed by Fisher Price, it has a screen that doesn't look like dog shit and it looks like they finally sorted out their account system.
But having said that, why aren't people allowed to criticise stuff without being jumped on?
Why is their a subset of Nintendo fans that will back up and defend every decision no matter now stupid?
As said before, if it was underpowered that's fine because art style is more important, if it was PS4 Pro level hardware that would suddenly be amazing too because only power matters.
Then you will have the people that are obsessed that the Switch is more powerful than it is and use games like ARMS to back that up, when the only reason it looks decent is it has good IQ and decent textures due to the system having more RAM.
Wouldn't be as handy to play in portable mode. Makes it heavier and bigger and more expensive and would alienate even younger players.
xochipiltontli
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Joy-con controls would be even more awkwardly spaced out than they are now when used in tabletop multiplayer mode, with the buttons being too far in on the left controller and the stick being too far in on the right controller.
This isn't unique to Nintendo fans, and it doesn't really matter in context anyways, if someone likes something and gets excited in one way, it is fine.
It's not like Nintendo fans are a hive mind either, we don't all think alike, and grouping us together is just an easy way to dismiss us.
Eurogamer's leak is fine, it's actually pretty powerful considering the form factor and it being a handheld as well. In fact other than battery life, there is nothing stopping the switch from running at docked clocks and that is a pretty impressive feat for such a device.
If it ends up being more powerful and the indication we've heard from foxconn and rumors about the final hardware point to that being the case, there is reason to celebrate, why shouldn't someone be happy about more performance and closer to parity with other consoles, allowing for western 3rd parties to more easily port their games?
This isn't like a console situation in the past, there is a benefit to a game like KH3 coming to the Switch, there is no other portable outside of niche products that could offer this experience on the go, and that is exciting to portable gamers, of which most Nintendo fans are.
Yes, this confirms that a prototype at the end of july had 4GB of 64bit memory. Which is also likely the july devkit which we already have documentation for.
I'd refer to anything that is basically a right angled item as 'L' shaped regardless of what orientation you actually deploy it in. L literally draws the shape and you instantly know what is being talked about. wtf is 'J' shaped - you'd just confuse someone talking about that.
We don't know if it's a prototype or if it was manufactured at the end of July.
What we know is that the SoC was manufactured in July.
And we have a Reddit post claiming that he spoke with somebody who knows the person who posted these pictures and claims that it's a defective unit directly from Foxconn.
The "J" was more tongue in cheek. The other question has derailed the thread. I moved past this discussion.
Herb Alpert
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some people are complaining about the size. "lol switch won't fit in my pocket, it's DOA". Yeah, those people who were carrying around 3DSXL or Vitas in their pocket must be disappointed.
All units were made at Foxconn afaik, we know of the FCC filing being approved on August 3rd, this is likely that device, and if they can get a device approved in august, that means it can be ready for the july devkit, the SoC was finished on july 18th-25th, there is no way you'd punch out 1000+ of these devices and sit on them for 3 to 4 months for final devkits, besides there is no reasonable point to use 2 32bit memory modules to hit 64bit bandwidth, or use a separate chip for the flash memory on final hardware, this looks like a devkit honestly.
I remember a discussion about how devkits are not usually manufactured in the same place as the retail ones, but I can't seem to find it right now.
Besides that, we don't know when this unit was manufactured only the SoC, so being the FCC test unit is very speculative.
Prototype Viktor
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What about this design doesn't look like the july devkits to you? it fits everything we know about that device. It seems silly to produce a chip in july, as you are putting together devkits to go out and not use the new chips and instead wait 3+ months. Or does that sound right to you? what logic makes yours more sound than mine about this being an october devkit that would have some boost to performance over what we know about the july devkits and why would they sit on it for 3 months?
The logic in which the logistics to manufacture chips, deliver them to Foxconn, manufacture the units, deliver them to NA or Europe and then deliver them to the developers takes more than 2 weeks. Plus we had reports that the july devkits have a standard X1 in them, not a custom one, no?
And seeing how this has only 32GB of storage, that makes this very unlikely to be a devkit. Maybe it's just a retail unit that broke down during the QA at Foxconn. Could be part of the trial production run that we had reports about happening in Q3 2016. There are so many possibilities, that stating something as a fact or very sure seems not very wise at this point.
Now this is new. Haven't heard that one before. I was wondering that too tbh. I wouldn't mind a bigger Switch myself but surely others find it a perfect trade-off between portability and power. I don't play handhelds in short train rides so for me it could've been bigger. But I'm saying that without having actually tried it and I'm sure Nintendo has tested different sizes and weights extensively before choosing this one.
To be fair I'd think that a July dev kit would be one produced in July, not necessarily reaching everyone in July.
Didn't we got the info that devs received devkits in July? Together with the documentation that leaked earlier this month?
Edit: this report from Eurogamer was on 26th of July, so some devs got it before that.
This still baffles me: what would they gain by removing those cores?! Especially with the leaked documentation implying 1 "main" core reserved (likely for the OS, right?)
Wouldn't those A53s help with that, leaving all four (let's say) A57 cores free for games? I don't get it. :-\
So basically any USB charger could work? This might be interesting when gaming on the go, it would be nice to be able to connect a commonly available charger when/if needed.
That's consistent in the text output though (allegedly from issuing a command/executable) so it might simply be a typo made by the programmer who wrote the aforementioned software.
It would have been more suspicious if it only showed once.
If we look at the new Nvidia Shield, the SoC was produced 3 weeks later than Switch's and it just released. So it doesn't look that far fetched to have the SoC produced months before.
Especially since we know that Switch was planned to launch in March because the software wasn't ready, not the hardware.
They didn't need to make a bigger switch, they could have made a clamshell and separated the battery from the rest of the device, you could probably make something twice as powerful as the switch in the same form factor size (though clamshell) you'd end up with a $500 device though, but you could have a PS4's performance with a 16nm Nvidia GPU and 128bit 6GB memory, it's just not a device that you could sell to a handheld market which is Nintendo's strong point.
This logic also means you could create a smaller Switch for a better portable experience, and you can put a 6000-8000mah battery in it for ~4-5 hours minimum battery life.
Heck a 3rd party could come along and offer a bluetooth controller that slides on the rails and creates a clamshell design and even plugs into the bottom of the device and gives it that bigger battery. Even drew the idea up a couple weeks back:
The Switch tablet is about the same dimensions as the n3DSXL so adding a ~10mm clamshell would offer plenty of space for a larger battery while maintaining a similar size to that device.
Just saying that it wouldn't require being delivered to all or even most devs in July to be called the July kit. I mean just the documentation being dated as July would be enough. But as you say obviously the kit did start to be sent out in July, exactly how early it started is unknown.
FunkyDealer
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So based on the speculation on RAM. Would the 25,6 GB/s bandwidth put it in the same ballpark as that in the Xbox 360 and PS3? (although with eight times the capacity)
Or would modern compression and/or hardware differences set it noticably apart?
Or would modern compression and/or hardware differences set it noticably apart?
The timeline is fine. Here is the logic with what he is suggestion. He is saying that they sent out devkits at the same time new chips were being produced and then sat on those for 3+ months.
There is no reason they wouldn't just wait a few extra days to get the new chips in these devkits. It still being July Devkits, just means it doesn't take as long as he is thinking to ship these to developers, I mean if the chips are done on the 18th and foxconn is making the devkit (or even Nintendo given this is a prototype, and foxconn leak confirmed that at least 1 switch was put together internally at Nintendo)
This isn't the first devkit so Foxconn could put the chips on the devkit in a single day, possibly 2 and ship them to Nintendo well before the end of july to be shipped out to developers. Nintendo not using these chips for developers make no sense.
No the X1 chip was custom even then, just think about it, this is Revision #2, there was an A0 and A1, so they would all be custom Maxwell GPUs based on X1.
I'm saying that this is no devkit at all anyhow. Because it has a 32 GB storage, not 64GB as the devkits.
NingenJanai
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I think if they decided to go with Maxwell instead of Pascal that's a really bad decision, Pascal would improve battery life and heat, which is really important for a "portable".
I really hope it's Pascal, even if it's a custom version of X1 instead of X2.
I really hope it's Pascal, even if it's a custom version of X1 instead of X2.
Switch is what is, and I don't think there have been any major changes from the info in the Eurogamer leak. The only thing that could've possibly changed, if anything, are the clockspeeds. The amount of GPU cores hasn't doubled from 256 to 512.
That said, Nintendo has a good upgrade path because they're with Nvidia, and Iwata stated long ago (early 2014) that the new platform could be 1 or more devices.
It's not hard to imagine Nvidia will take the work they're doing for the 16nm FinFET Xavier SoC (8 CPU cores, 512 Volta GPU cores), and make a Tegra "V1" out of it, minus the stuff that isn't necessary for a gaming chip, shrink it to 7nm, use some of that low-cost HBM (that is in development for mainstream consumer electronics) put out a third Shield TV console in 2019. Then, 18-24 months later, a tweaked and down clocked version is made for Nintendo and Switch XX that launches in 2021. It would have 2x the CPU cores, 2x the GPU cores, the low-end HBM, reasonable clock speeds (lower than a Tegra "V1" but higher than current Switch. Overall a ~3x improvement in performance and a big boost to bandwidth compared to the current model. With Switch 2's docked mode, it would be roughly on par with original XBone, I personally hope Nintendo does something much better than that in 2022-2023 instead, because a Switch 2 or Switch Pro along those lines would not be a generational leap, but more along the lines of Wii U to Switch. Very conservative, again.
Blah blah, enough of my speculation. I just want to play Zelda, MK8 Deluxe, Mario odyssey , Dragon Quest XI and a new Monster Hunter, mostly on the go.
That said, Nintendo has a good upgrade path because they're with Nvidia, and Iwata stated long ago (early 2014) that the new platform could be 1 or more devices.
It's not hard to imagine Nvidia will take the work they're doing for the 16nm FinFET Xavier SoC (8 CPU cores, 512 Volta GPU cores), and make a Tegra "V1" out of it, minus the stuff that isn't necessary for a gaming chip, shrink it to 7nm, use some of that low-cost HBM (that is in development for mainstream consumer electronics) put out a third Shield TV console in 2019. Then, 18-24 months later, a tweaked and down clocked version is made for Nintendo and Switch XX that launches in 2021. It would have 2x the CPU cores, 2x the GPU cores, the low-end HBM, reasonable clock speeds (lower than a Tegra "V1" but higher than current Switch. Overall a ~3x improvement in performance and a big boost to bandwidth compared to the current model. With Switch 2's docked mode, it would be roughly on par with original XBone, I personally hope Nintendo does something much better than that in 2022-2023 instead, because a Switch 2 or Switch Pro along those lines would not be a generational leap, but more along the lines of Wii U to Switch. Very conservative, again.
Blah blah, enough of my speculation. I just want to play Zelda, MK8 Deluxe, Mario odyssey , Dragon Quest XI and a new Monster Hunter, mostly on the go.
We know that the final devkits have 64GB of storage, all rumors before that only suggested 32GB of internal storage actually.
The July devkit documentation clearly states 64GB storage.
Are you sure? The documentation from last July only mentions 64GB dev kits. The 32GB kits must have then been before that. Do you have any source on that?
Is there a link for that? I thought we only found out because of european commercial not properly covering the debug menu with gameplay.
It's in these documents.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1343614
Direct link to the relevant page: http://dystify.com/Overview/contents/Pages/Page_94755783.html
Thank you for the direct link.
You mean you hope its a 16nm chip.
You mean here, where is says 32GB?
Wait, I thought you were talking about the dev kits and not the retail unit?
I was, I thought that outlined the devkits. I wonder if the FCC prototype would use the 32GB storage, since it is removable, it could be an easy solution to this problem. The timing is hard to believe for a retail unit, those just wouldn't have been made yet and we know there was a change in october, that being a chip they sat on for 3 months makes 0 sense.
That's an outline for the retail unit (as of July 2016). They provide an overview of the differences to the two dev kits here: http://dystify.com/Overview/contents/Pages/Page_94755783.html
It could be part of the trial production that was rumour to take place in the Q3 2016. Would fit the timing perfectly.
The prototype for the FCC makes the most sense, a trail run happened in October actually afaik, not before August 3rd. Final hardware actually wasn't ready until October either from rumors.
Also isn't Q3 usually referring to October, November and December? even "Fall Quarter" starts at the very end of September usually right?
Lastly, you'd put out final Devkits before a trial production run, since you have final hardware and want to get the software done ASAP.
No, it was calendar year, not fiscal year.
You do realise DF will have one right now right? They just won't be able to talk about it until the embargo lifts.
Everybody wants a 1000TFLOPS system with Nintendo games that have $1B budgets, but we just don't think it's feasible market or technology wise. And given the constraints and the competition, I'd rather have Sony focus on big blockbuster stuff, and Nintendo on creative play solutions, than the other way around. Within this framework though, we can want Nintendo to be as powerful as possible, and Sony to be as creative as possible. But it's not likely, or perhaps even preferable, that one will shift over into the other's expertise area.