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Digital Foundry: Forza Motorsport 7 is Xbox One X's true 4K showcase
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almostjuliuscaesar
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I expect this to be their showcase game when they demo this thing.
stargateheaven
Member
There is no doubt this gamr is beautiful!!
MosquitoSmasher
Member
So DF actually saw it on the XB1X? Because it was showcased on PCs on the showfloor from what I've read.
Backfoggen
Banned
Lots of nice fine detail on the cars at least. Shows off 4k really well.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
So Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2 aren't native 4K yet? Personally i would be more than fine with CBR if this means much better graphical fidelity.
Christocolus
Member
Great job T10. The game looks incredible. Can't wait to get the XB1X. I love the synergy between Playground Games and T10 both devs are at the top of their game.
Grabbed from the other thread.
I can't wait until we see more tracks. These are straight grabs from gameplay (but with HDR squished to RGB).
Grabbed from the other thread.
kikonawa
Member
whats odd ?
OnionPowder
Member
Game runs at 1080p 60FPS on the base X1. PC specs should be low.
I wish we had the chance of capturing our Forza 7 footage again without HDR enabled like DF did. Ho well, more power to them 
I'm going to try and see if I can use the HDR capture and produce some actual HDR10 videos in a few hours. This could be sweet if I get it to work.
As for the game, I'm not a huge fan of the desert track, it's a bit too clean in terms of lighting. The race with changing weather is amazing though
I'm going to try and see if I can use the HDR capture and produce some actual HDR10 videos in a few hours. This could be sweet if I get it to work.
As for the game, I'm not a huge fan of the desert track, it's a bit too clean in terms of lighting. The race with changing weather is amazing though
katsubento
Member
Most driving games are the best showcases of consoles.
Hatefilled Vengeance
Member
Can't wait to see how amazing the next Horizon game looks.
soundscream
Member
The motion rigs were pc, the controller demos were x's.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Haha I love there's an explanation for those pixels. I'm sure this will look amazing. FH3 in 1080p with HDR was already incredible
Ambient occlusion is missing for most of the geometry.
Lighting is only right on photogrammetry assets.
Fhotogrammetry assets have really low resolution textures.
Most of reflections are not real time calculated.
Geometry reflections on the cars run at half the framerate.
Car shadows don't project over track assets.
Some tracks elements don't render at full resolution.
Lighting is only right on photogrammetry assets.
Fhotogrammetry assets have really low resolution textures.
Most of reflections are not real time calculated.
Geometry reflections on the cars run at half the framerate.
Car shadows don't project over track assets.
Some tracks elements don't render at full resolution.
Yes! I absolutely played it on an Xbox One X dev-kit. It was a real system, I adjusted the HDR settings from the system OS even. That's where this capture came from.
The PC version was only used for that expensive motion rig because, well, obviously the Xbox version isn't going to be able to support that.
Sure, but you start pushing for those elements and suddenly the game isn't 4K60 any longer. It's still a console game and I'd assume some of those things, such as geometry reflections, will run at full frame-rate on PC. Half-rate reflections really bug me.
I think they're making good choices here. It looks aesthetically pleasing and runs very smoothly. It'll stand the test of time for that reason.
I think Project Cars 2 is the more ambitious game, technically. Will be curious to see how it runs on consoles since they rewrote so much of the engine and told me that they are getting much higher frame-rates on consoles even in full grids with weather than the original game. PC should be super optimized as well.
Christocolus
Member
Great job dark. How impressive was the implementation of dynamic weather?
Well, in this race, I wouldn't classify it as dynamic since it is designed to change exactly the same way every time you race that track. I think it works well and, like Project Cars 2, they use puddles that seem to gradually fill in over time.
The puddles are interesting - they do impact the game when playing normally but I really noticed it when using that massive $40k motion rig. That thing is so powerful that getting hit by a car genuinely feels like getting hit so, when you go through puddles, you genuinely feel it. All the different surfaces react as you might expect and you can feel it.
Unfortunately, that's not an experience anyone can really have at home though it does still impact control.
Did you get any clarification on the implementation of Dynamic Time of Day from Turn 10?
At this stage they've been quiet on how the dynamic systems are going to work in the game. Like are we gonna be able to drive a full 24hr day/night cycle or is it going to be like morning to afternoon, or just like dynamic skies...
The folks I spoke with didn't have answers to that (or weren't saying).
The price of 4K 60fps.
I'm still glad they managed to cram dynamic weather and time in there, and lighting does look improved quite a bit. Actually quite a lot seeing those Gestault gifs.
soundscream
Member
The hydroplaning effect was very noticeable on 6 when using a wheel, so I am sure the same will be present in 7.
GHG
Gold Member
I have a question about the dynamic weather/time of day. Did they say whether you would be able to have this across all tracks and whether you could control how quickly the time/weather progresses like Project Cars? Or are they always going to be pre-determined?
Diablohead
Member
You can make forza 4k you can make it 60fps but the thing that bugs me the most in every single game is that the wing mirrors do not reflect in the car door below it, it still looks bad.
Nice to see that time of day and dynamic lighting are in. Really curious to see how the XBO version compares.
On a side note, it's pretty disappointing that this is the only native 4K title. I'm more than fine with CBR, but a game like State of Decay isn't necessarily graphical powerhouse of a title.
Did they confirm that? Really impressive if they were able to keep it at 1080p with all the the improvements.
On a side note, it's pretty disappointing that this is the only native 4K title. I'm more than fine with CBR, but a game like State of Decay isn't necessarily graphical powerhouse of a title.
Did they confirm that? Really impressive if they were able to keep it at 1080p with all the the improvements.
Diablohead
Member
i'd prefer some of that gpu power to go into self shadowing and reflections then 4k tbh, maybe forza 8 will update to include those features in some way.
Christocolus
Member
Thanks for the response.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Confirmed? Shit, that's impressive.
It is not the only native 4K title - the problem is that they didn't show the other native 4K titles that they have (well, one or two others). It's rather frustrating to see which titles were shown here since there is a lot more to come.
PackAPunchedMick
Member
Not really gonna congratulate turn 10 until I see this game on the Xbox one S.
The Xbox one x version could be just an upressed version with increased texture quality.
And still no dynamic weather?
.....
Hope they don't butcher the weaker console.
The Xbox one x version could be just an upressed version with increased texture quality.
And still no dynamic weather?
.....
Hope they don't butcher the weaker console.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
So it has true dynamic TOD?
Or 'just' dynamic weather with some 'scripted' daylight changes?
Or 'just' dynamic weather with some 'scripted' daylight changes?
GHG
Gold Member
In one of the interviews with the devs at E3 they were saying "no two races will be the same".
So I'm hoping for the former rather than the latter.
Well that's good to know, thanks.
You guys have been doing a great job at covering the E3 titles so far, can't wait to see what future videos you guys produce.
I thought dynamic weather was confirmed but it's just not entirely dynamic in this demo since they wanted to be able to display the feature consistently. If they kept it at truly dynamic, there's a chance people could wait in line, race through a race, and not experience a feature of the game. This isn't anything new for a showroom demo really.
There's a *LOT* more coming. Was only limited by the encoding speeds + bandwidth of the hotel. Now that I'm back, I can start working with ALL of the footage.
Going to post a lot more 4K stuff but also things like Mario Odyssey, Fire Emblem Warriors and more.
not bad for something done on a dev kit that's only 70-80% final
