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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos
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faceless007
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You're saying not reviewing a game because of a conflict of interest represents a lack of integrity? The fuck?
She lied.
Campbell's a little *too* vitriolic, but other than that he'd be a good fit. I've not read any recent Julian Rignall pieces (and - showing my age - I still want to call him "Jaz"!) but that'd do too. Or, as a left-field suggestion, Aleks Krotoski.
Neuromancer
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Wow what an incredibly entertaining cluster fuck.
The problem is that this is a thing that happens period, conflict of interest.
It depends on how the review would read. You can show bias by not covering something that's bad and only showing the favorable side.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
That was a good read.
This (topic) is so thick with context. Journalism in gaming has taken so many hits that's it's so hard not to be cynical about it.
Ban Puncher
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Please, do continue. Your commitment to faux rage is endearing. I await the 'yo momma so fat' insults with baited breath.
Hot Coldman
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Jeff said the game didn't fucking work on the Bombcast recently, so I guess they covered the unfavourable side fairly well
Occam's razor again. Why are you so convinced that Dance Central 3 is a bad product? Have you played Dance Central 3?
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
I fully understand the point, and grasped it when I first read the article, which is why I asked what I did. Irregardless of intention, the minute you sit down and type someones name in an article involving something questionable, it can plant a seed of doubt in the reader (rightfully so here). So again, my question is, if you're comfortable using names in an opinion piece like this, why the hell are you protecting the people that you actually know are doing wrong?
faceless007
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And when it happens in any field of journalism, the people involved either abstain themselves or make a full disclosure about it. Why is the first one bad?
Why would I need to state the obvious?
I saw the tweet, too. I also saw her mention libel.
It could be a bad sign, but I get the feeling that you would have been more upset with them if they made a decision similar to the Fable review, giving it a higher score than it might deserve because some people could have better luck than Jeff did (Which would have been consistent with their previous reviews, but more suspicious because of their ties to Harmonix). It's a hard decision to make but until we see how they proceed I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. If more reviews for other broken Kinect games start popping up and Dance Central 3 is the suspicious omission, then maybe a more cynical look would be warranted.
I agree. That pizza on the Medal of Honor quicklook was way too greasy for consumption. Disgusting.
Because like Vice says they've only shown the positive so far, reviewing the other two highly favorably but then all of a sudden once their friends company is in trouble and the game they put out isn't that good they "won't review it because no one cares what we think"? Get out. If DC3 was a 5 star game you bet your ass there would've been a review.
If you follow IncGamers links from 2010, most of them get redirected.
http://kotaku.com/5575883/mafia-ii-originally-had-four-endings
http://n4g.com/news/592214/incgamers-mafia-ii-review
http://n4g.com/news/607287/incgamers-lucha-fury-first-look
It's simply a case of them revamping their site, thereby breaking old links. Happens all the time.
Cerebral Assassin
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Does Rignall still write about games?
CambriaRising
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From the list at Storify
The Writers who Tweeted for the Free Ps3 and the Sites they work for:
Martin Gaston: Videogamer.com
James Orry: Videogamer.com
Simon Munk: Thesundaytimes.com
Dave Cook: VG247 (Giving his to Charity)
Steve Boxer: Guardian.co.uk (Already owns 3 apparently)
Matthew Nellis: Videogamer.com
Mark Beckford: Stickwiddlers.com
Neon Kelly: Videogamer.com (Starting to see a trend?)
John Robertson: Incgamers.com
David Scammell: Videogamer.com
Sam Bandah: Games TM Magazine (Also wrote an article for gamespot some time ago)
Trey Douglas: Nerfed.co.uk
Martin Mathers: Nintendo.co.uk (No big deal, just found it ironic.)
Darran Jones: RetroGamer.net (Tweeted it twice)
Dan Griliopoulos: PCgamer.com
Jason Wiltshire: Attentionseekers.tv
Calvin Robinson: Godisageek.com
Nick Silversides: Theaveragegamer.com
Samuel Roberts: Retrogamer.net
A lot of them were musicians and PR people for various companies. I did not include them in this list. Some where difficult to find either the identity of, or if they even worked for a gaming site/mag.
Not that many, really. But it is awful funny that PR people were invited to this thing.
The Writers who Tweeted for the Free Ps3 and the Sites they work for:
Martin Gaston: Videogamer.com
James Orry: Videogamer.com
Simon Munk: Thesundaytimes.com
Dave Cook: VG247 (Giving his to Charity)
Steve Boxer: Guardian.co.uk (Already owns 3 apparently)
Matthew Nellis: Videogamer.com
Mark Beckford: Stickwiddlers.com
Neon Kelly: Videogamer.com (Starting to see a trend?)
John Robertson: Incgamers.com
David Scammell: Videogamer.com
Sam Bandah: Games TM Magazine (Also wrote an article for gamespot some time ago)
Trey Douglas: Nerfed.co.uk
Martin Mathers: Nintendo.co.uk (No big deal, just found it ironic.)
Darran Jones: RetroGamer.net (Tweeted it twice)
Dan Griliopoulos: PCgamer.com
Jason Wiltshire: Attentionseekers.tv
Calvin Robinson: Godisageek.com
Nick Silversides: Theaveragegamer.com
Samuel Roberts: Retrogamer.net
A lot of them were musicians and PR people for various companies. I did not include them in this list. Some where difficult to find either the identity of, or if they even worked for a gaming site/mag.
Not that many, really. But it is awful funny that PR people were invited to this thing.
Neuromancer
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They are my friends ;_;
ezekielpacman
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For those trying to catch up with the thread:
Lol. Seriously though, I saw this ignite this morning and have come back from work to a controversy storm. Could do with a Lionel Mandrake style summary around now.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Grow up a little would you.
Can we stay on topic instead of some smoke and mirror personal attacks on each other for once?
Wow. You are the reason shitty reviews actually have power with consumers.
Nothing much happened except they found that the woman who threatened to sue over the article lists Square Enix as one of her employers
The reason it was not reviewed was already stated above. Not everything is a conspiracy.
So you think the writers at IGN don't have friends in the industry? Or know the other major journos in the space? The community is very small.
Back to the original post, I could give a rats ass if Geoff had to do a pitch piece for MD/Doritos. Bills need to get paid and, as we all know, everything on the internet must be free, right? What I care about is if his final review is truthful. Geoff has done a great job over the years of being a well respected representative for the games industry.
CambriaRising
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Wrong. Jeff even said that he meant to review it but got tied up with other things. He discussed a possibility of a review, but decided that it wouldn't be relevant now. He spoke negatively about the game several times on the bombcasts either way.
Oh, you're trolling.
Criminal Upper
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I can't honestly say Geoff has done ANYTHING for this industry other than infect it with the mountain dew-filled tumor that is the Spike Video Game awards.
If he's done anything else notable, please let me know.
If he's done anything else notable, please let me know.
pants
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I consider Giantbomb to be an entertainment outlet, not critics, not journalists. They have certainly entertained me enough for me to sign up for a premium account back when they needed it. I love listening to their opinions because they are dudes like me, but in no way do I go there for a bastion of neutrality and hard hitting stories
CambriaRising
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- Someone wrote people could be misled into believing she's a shill based on some tweets (while stating they did not believe she is one),
- She or her employers allegedly threatened to sue,
- Turns out she lists Square-Enix as current employer,
- "But I've never reviewed their shit!!" (paraphrase)
- But she has.
Someone did. Jeez do keep up people!! 8D
Wow, what's the original source for this gif?
He worked as Quality Assurance Tester for the greatest RTS ever called Homeworld back in 1998.
Hot Coldman
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His name is Balotelli.
Yes but no journalisty as evident by this Lauren bird will come out and say "HEY GUYS I DIDNT REVIEW IT CUZ I HAVE FRIENDS WHO WORK THERE AND I DONT WANT TO GET THEM POSSIBLY FIRED" instead they'll lie and use a excuse, it's called "backroom politice"
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
He is/was working for GamePro in some capacity, IIRC.
You are wrong. It's ok, but you are just soooo wrong.
Just an excerpt...
Videogamer.com desperately needs some new PS3's.
Ban Puncher
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What?
TheGreatDivide
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Lets put an end to backroom politice once and for all.
theSlacker
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Ah I'm sorry. Do still think it is because that wasn't the point of the article. The names he named were used as examples, not of corruption, but what could be viewed as it, and had been accepted as normal acts for game journalists. As in, them being named wasn't a point of the editorial, but a way to highlight the point of the article. Naming names he thought were defiantly on the PR take also wasn't the point, and would have turned this into a completely different story.
That is just this man's understanding of it. Sure, it is unfortunate for the people who's names that got used, but nothing said was an untruth. One (Cook) responded with admitting that things could be seen that way, and made sure to show he was donating the free gift he got, another didn't comment at all, and the last is who the current subject of discussion is.
Thanks. Don't know why, but I find it SO funny! (glad the guy turned out okay)
they've talked about how crappy DC3 is for like two weeks straight now.
InaudibleWhispa
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The image really, truly is hilarious, and very telling. Rab Florence wrote a solid article but nothing even necessarily had to be written about it. The image completely speaks for itself.
Why does he need 4 Mountain Dews? I mean even if he plans to eat the entire bag of Doritos, 4 Mountain Dews is too much.
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