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*EID MUBARAK!* RAMADAN 2015 |OT| Come with me if you want to fast

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O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint - Quran 2:183
Welcome to Ramadan 2015 OT. Lets start with the FAQ! Here is Colorado State University website to help out with the details

What is Ramadan?
Ramadan is the ninth month of the Islamic calendar. The much-anticipated start of the month is based on a combination of physical sightings of the moon and astronomical calculations. The practice varies from place to place, some places relying heavily on sighting reports and others totally on calculations. In the United States, most communities follow the decision of the Islamic Society of North America, which accepts bonafide sightings of the new moon anywhere in the United States as the start of the new month. The end of the month, marked by the celebration of 'Eid-ul-Fitr, is similarly determined.
Why is Ramadan special?
Ramadan is a special month of the year for over one billion Muslims throughout the world. It is a time for inner reflection, devotion to God, and self-control. Muslims think of it as a kind of tune-up for their spiritual lives. There are as many meanings of Ramadan as there are Muslims.

The third "pillar" or religious obligation of Islam, fasting has many special benefits. Among these, the most important is that it is a means of learning self-control. Due to the lack of preoccupation with the satisfaction of bodily appetites during the daylight hours of fasting, a measure of ascendancy is given to one's spiritual nature, which becomes a means of coming closer to God. Ramadan is also a time of intensive worship, reading of the Qur'an, giving charity, purifying one's behavior, and doing good deeds.

As a secondary goal, fasting is a way of experiencing hunger and developing sympathy for the less fortunate, and learning to thankfulness and appreciation for all of God's bounties. Fasting is also beneficial to the health and provides a break in the cycle of rigid habits or overindulgence.
Who Fasts in Ramadan?
While voluntary fasting is recommended for Muslims, during Ramadan fasting becomes obligatory. Sick people, travelers, and women in certain conditions are exempted from the fast but must make it up as they are able. Perhaps fasting in Ramadan is the most widely practiced of all the Muslim forms of worship.
What are the requirements of fasting during Ramadan?
The daily period of fasting starts at the breaking of dawn and ends at the setting of the sun. In between -- that is, during the daylight hours -- Muslims totally abstain from food, drink, smoking, and marital sex. The usual practice is to have a pre-fast meal (suhoor) before dawn and a post-fast meal (iftar) after sunset.
Last 10 days of Ramadan
The last ten days of Ramadan are a time of special spiritual power as everyone tries to come closer to God through devotions and good deeds. The night on which the first verses of the Qur'an were revealed to the Prophet, known as the Night of Power (Lailat ul-Qadr), is generally taken to be the 27th night of the month. The Qur'an states that this night is better than a thousand months. Therefore many Muslims spend the entire night in prayer.

During the month, Muslims try to read as much of the Qur'an as they can. Most try to read the whole book at least once. Some spend part of their day listening to the recitation of the Qur'an in a mosque.
Food!!
Since Ramadan is a special time, Muslims in many parts of the world prepare certain favorite foods during this month.

It is a common practice for Muslims to break their fast at sunset with dates (iftar), following the custom of Prophet Muhammad. This is followed by the sunset prayer, which is followed by dinner. Since Ramadan emphasizes community aspects and since everyone eats dinner at the same time, Muslims often invite one another to share in the Ramadan evening meal.

Some Muslims find that they eat less for dinner during Ramadan than at other times due to stomach contraction. However, as a rule, most Muslims experience little fatigue during the day since the body becomes used to the altered routine during the first week of Ramadan.
Here we are once again at the doorstep of Ramadan bringing our gluttonous, unkempt, heedless selves but with a will to transform our mind and body once more. Food does not control us. Neither does water, nor sex or desire. We prove to God that we hear and we obey. Ramadan is scheduled to begin tomorrow in some countries, whereas in US it is either tomorrow or Thursday. It all depends if the moon is sighted in the region. Some groups base the dates on astronomical calculations, and this has caused some conflict in the west (moon wars!)

In the spirit of brotherhood, I invite non-Muslims to fast for a day or two and see how it works! Check out your local mosques. Some will host community iftar (fast breaking). Prove to yourself that you can do it as well.

In most of the US, the fast will begin sometime around 4 AM and end around 8:30 PM. Let the journey begin.

Ramadan 2014
Ramadan 2013

Moon Wars:
My local Hilal Committee put this message regarding moon sighting
Commitment to Qur’ān: Allāh, Most High, says, “Therefore, whoever of you sights (shahida, lit. eye-witnesses) the month, let him fast it.”(Qur’ān, 2: 185)

Commitment to the Sunnah: Bukhari narrates that the messenger of Allāh said “Fast for its [the new moon] sighting (ru’yah, lit. its naked-eye sighting) and break for its sighting, and if it is covered under cloud then complete the count of Shaʿbān as thirty days.” Note the clear and unambiguous directive in this hadith that the new moon must actually be seen in order to start the new month. Moreover, the Messenger of Allāh states that we must observe 30 days of the month of Shaʿbān if vision of the new moon is obscured by clouds, even if we know that the new moon is present behind the cloud cover.

Commitment to Unity on the Sunnah and Abstaining from Reprehensible Innovations in Matters of Religion: Abu Dawūd and Tirmidhī narrate that the messenger of Allāh said “I command you to fear Allāh, and to listen to and obey your legitimate leaders. Whosoever of you should live after me, shall see much strife, so incumbent upon you is my sunnah and the sunnah of my rightly-guided successors. Hold fast to it, and bite down on it with your molar teeth. Beware of newly invented matters, for every innovation in religion is misguidance.” Note that the messenger of Allāh, and all four of his rightly guided successors, may Allāh be pleased with them, observed the sunnah of moonsighting.

Fourteen Centuries of Scholarship: The above-mentioned four successors of the Messenger of Allāh, Abū Bakr, ʿUmar,‘Uthmān and ʿAlī, the rest of the companions, and reputable scholars of the Muslim Ummah from all four orthodox sunnī schools of thought throughout the past fourteen centuries have by scholarly consensus, or Ijmaʿ accepted moonsighting as the way to keep the sacred calendar of Islām, and have consistently rejected calculations as a public methodology for the keeping of the sacred calendar. Note that this is despite the fact that scientific calculation methods for the timing of the birth of the new moon have been known to Muslims for many centuries, as astronomical calculation is an ancient knowledge known to ancient peoples from at least the time of the Babylonians, who practiced calculations as early as the 18th century BC.

Disparate Nature of Prayer and Ramadan Timings: The fact that it is permissible to rely on calculations for prayer times has no bearing on the issue of crescent sightings as they are based on completely different phenomena. The prayer times are established solely on the position of the sun relative to the earth and can be calculated with 100% accuracy while not a single prediction algorithm has been developed that accounts for the several factors that affect crescent visibility. Moreover, they carry completely different legal rulings. There is no verse of the Qur’ān or ḥadīth of the messenger of Allāh that unambiguously command the naked eye sighting of the prayer times; from the point of view of a specialist in the law of the sacred sharīʿah, the two matters are completely disparate and cannot be compared with one another.

New Position: The ISNA Fiqh Council made an unprecedented and significant change in their Ramadan and ʿĪd policy in June 2006. They have decided, without any precedent in the sunnah, that there is no requirement of moon sighting at all. Preemptive declarations of Ramadan and the two ʿĪds have been made for the next ten years based solely on calculations, while Chicago Hilal in actuality maintains the same position that ISNA itself had up to this point held.

Inconsistent Policy with regards to Eid Dates: The official position of the Fiqh Council of ISNA is to go with astronomical calculations for ʿĪd al-Fiṭr, whereas they adopt the Saudi sighting for ʿĪd al-Aḍḥā. They do not apply a consistent methodology for the keeping of the sacred calendar, which can lead to the distortion of the sacred Islamic calendar resulting in either 28 or 31 day months.

Strident Opposition From Scholars in North America and Around the World: Even all the members of ISNA’s Fiqh Council itself did not agree on this major change, including Shaykh Mokhtar Maghraoui who, in fact, submitted his resignation over this issue and wrote a 27 page scholarly rebuttal of the new policy. Many other scholars and Islamic Sharīʿah Councils have also denounced this decision including Shaykh Hamza Yusuf of the Zaytuna College who wrote a detailed 75 page refutation of the ISNA’s Fiqh Council’s decision as well as Shaykh Mohammed Amin Kholwadia of Darul Qasim.

Commitment to Islam before convenience: It may appear that ISNA’s Fiqh Council is attempting to unite the Ummah but such an appearance is arbitrary; in fact they are causing more fragmentation in the ummah all over North America. It is therefore our view that while unity is of paramount importance and every attempt should be made to make the practice of Islām easy for the people, unity and ease have to be achieved within the framework of the sunnah and not outside of it.

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Kisaya

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Most likely not fasting this year, but I'm trying to plan to least make a bunch of sambusas for the first night :>

I believe the first night will be on Thursday for our local mosque!
 

Numb

Member
In Sweden so i am on Nightmare difficulty. Pray for me.
Got 20+ hr fasting days ahead but atleast i don't live in the upper regions(Kiruna) of the country where the sun didn't set for a month.
 
In Sweden so i am on Nightmare difficulty. Pray for me.
Got 20+ hr fasting days ahead but atleast i don't live in the upper regions(Kiruna) of the country where the sun didn't set for a month.

As a non muslim, what is the practise here? I mean I'm sure that many hardline / muslims who take everything as literal can abide by this back home, but in a religion that has started/spread in a zone which doesn't have this problem they probably never thought about it.
 
Days are really short here. So fajr is 5:30 and Maghrib is around 5. Pretty much easy mode. I fasted the Mondays and Thursdays leading up and it felt like easy mode. Still, excited as usual :D

Looks like most will start fasting tomorrow (Thursday) insha'Allah.
 

Sajjaja

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Ayyyyy gitterdone.

Not sure if I'll do taraweeh but I'm excited. Hoping to drop some bad habits and get healthier in general. Going to be hard with that milk+Rooh Ufsa though lol.
Days are really short here. So fajr is 5:30 and Maghrib is around 5. Pretty much easy mode. I fasted the Mondays and Thursdays leading up and it felt like easy mode. Still, excited as usual :D

Looks like most will start fasting tomorrow (Thursday) insha'Allah.
Heyyyy welcome back to GAF!
 

Numb

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As a non muslim, what is the practise here? I mean I'm sure that many hardline / muslims who take everything as literal can abide by this back home, but in a religion that has started/spread in a zone which doesn't have this problem they probably never thought about it.
From this article
"Those who wish to follow dawn-sunset timings of 18-21 hour fasts and can do so safely, are free to do so.

"Those who find this genuinely unbearable, or are convinced of the non-literalist approach of “morning to evening” rather than the literalist “dawn to sunset”, may wish to fast for 12 or preferably 14-16 hours, beginning from dawn, sunrise or even their usual morning meal (breakfast!). Such moderate timings are based on the fatwas of jurists over many centuries for high latitudes.
Following the literal way has it's upsides too. During winter just a few years ago when Ramadan used to fall there the fasting was extremely short.
 

Khal_B

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All right, let's do this. Hoping to ease up on the gaming or try to drop it completely for this month in shaa Allah. So many good games though...ouch.

In Sweden so i am on Nightmare difficulty. Pray for me.
Got 20+ hr fasting days ahead but atleast i don't live in the upper regions(Kiruna) of the country where the sun didn't set for a month.

Maybe this would be of help? Regardless all the best and may Allah make it easy for you and reward all those striving sincerely during this month. Ameen.
 
Heyyyy welcome back to GAF!
Thanks :D cruising by again lol.


I'll probably still have to switch up my sleep cycle. Working on my PhD and I find it really hard to do academic work while fast so I'll probably stay up late then wake around dhuhr time.

What do ya'll usually eat for suhoor? I'm planning on trying out some savoury porridge this year. I love my date, dried apples, brown sugar and cinnamon porridge but I want to mix it up.
 

Pancakes

hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Oh god, I'm not ready for this year. I'm gonna try to combine Radaman and do an actual cut while still working out.
 

Lamel

Banned
Feel bad for those living in the northern hemisphere as the summer solstice will be the longest fast of them all.
 
From this article

Following the literal way has it's upsides too. During winter just a few years ago when Ramadan used to fall there the fasting was extremely short.

Yeah I live in Australia, I don't know any muslims that fast but I used to work with a few and they always said how it was opposite from people in Europe/US in terms of when we had the long fasts/short fasts the others would have the other.

I guess the 20 hour day one is a bit insane but more if you lived like, literally when the sun doesn't set at all then you'd have to go for the non literal version.
 

Sajjaja

Member
Thanks :D cruising by again lol.


I'll probably still have to switch up my sleep cycle. Working on my PhD and I find it really hard to do academic work while fast so I'll probably stay up late then wake around dhuhr time.

What do ya'll usually eat for suhoor? I'm planning on trying out some savoury porridge this year. I love my date, dried apples, brown sugar and cinnamon porridge but I want to mix it up.
Sounds tough, akhi (I don't know why but I love saying that). Inshallah it'll all work out. Are you a TA? I imagine that might make it more difficult.

Usually it's either parathas, eggs and milk vs. bagels, juice and milk. Either taste especially delicious in the morning.
 

Numb

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My first Ramadan where I'm working a 9-5 job. Fasts will last from 3:15 AM - 9:00 PM. I've done a really bad job of preparing myself this year. I recommend everyone to check this video out to hopefully get the most out of the month:

http://productivemuslim.com/nouman-ali-khan-interview/
It got me offguard this year aswell. It sneaks up closer and closer every year and you need to be alert. Thanks for posting the vid.
Yeah I live in Australia, I don't know any muslims that fast but I used to work with a few and they always said how it was opposite from people in Europe/US in terms of when we had the long fasts/short fasts the others would have the other.

I guess the 20 hour day one is a bit insane but more if you lived like, literally when the sun doesn't set at all then you'd have to go for the non literal version.
I did the same thing last year with the 20 hr one so it helps than getting in raw for the first time. Moved here when things were not this insane and eased up to longer and longer ones but i don't think i would have made it starting like this.
 
What do ya'll usually eat for suhoor? I'm planning on trying out some savoury porridge this year. I love my date, dried apples, brown sugar and cinnamon porridge but I want to mix it up.
Protein rich food usually. Parathas/roti combined with some meat, chicken, lentil or eggs. I also like to drink a glassful of mango+milk drink. Never, ever eat carbs and fried stuff in suhoor. You'll wake up so thirsty you can empty the Nile river.
 

Anon67

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What do ya'll usually eat for suhoor? I'm planning on trying out some savoury porridge this year. I love my date, dried apples, brown sugar and cinnamon porridge but I want to mix it up.

Cup of yogurt with a ton of water and a little bit of milk, usually. If I had to work during the summer, I'd probably also eat an egg + a paratha.
 
Starts thursday right? In the same position as last year. Probably wont be able to wake up for suhoor due to roommates that arent muslim and also work. Ill see what i can do. Otherwise ramadan mubarak
 

Sch1sm

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So ready. I don't work enough for it to be a trouble, and I dropped summer courses so I'm at home for most of the month. Favourite time of the year by far, though it probably helps I'm still at home with my parents.

Ramadan Kareem, everyone, since it's technically Wednesday here already.
 
Sounds tough, akhi (I don't know why but I love saying that).
Nah not really. AlhamduliLlah I am able to do so!
Inshallah it'll all work out. Are you a TA? I imagine that might make it more difficult.

I think this is the same as a tutor? I taught a few classes this semester but it is over now, so I'm done til next semester which will be after ramadan.
 
Will be fasting mostly on weekends. Now that I'm working full time again (thank you God, btw!) I dont think I'll be able to survive working regular hours. This is my favorite time of the year so I'm super hyped. Best thing is that my older brother is home this year so the whole family will be around, woop!
 
From this article

Following the literal way has it's upsides too. During winter just a few years ago when Ramadan used to fall there the fasting was extremely short.

I would suggest ignoring that article. The "scholar" that was mentioned there has been disowned by even his father for various controversial stances he has taken. He is also a part of the "Quilliam Foundation", which takes many stances against Islam and Muslims, despite thinking itself an "Islamic" group.

As for what is done at high latitudes where there is no sunset/sunrise, there are three opinions:

1. Fast according to the timings of the nearest city that has an observable sunset/sunrise.
2. Fast according to the timings of the nearest Muslim country that has an observable sunset/sunrise.
3. Fast according to the timings of Makkah/Madinah.

All these are opinions only when there is no discernable sunrise/sunset, with most scholars saying that the first opinion is the most sound and safe. Usama Hasan's suggestion that regardless of there being a sunrise/sunset, people should just follow the timings of Makkah/Madinah is absurd. Why not just do that for prayers, too, then? You won't even have to wake up early for Fajr or go to sleep late due to Isha. In the higher latitudes Isha times can start way past 11pm and Fajr time can end before 4. Anyone who wants 8 hours of continuous sleep is out of luck so maybe they can follow Usama Hasan and not inconvenience themselves either for the rest of the year.

There's a reason why it's not recommended to fast right before Ramadhan or right after Ramadhan. It is understood that fasting IS challenging. It IS supposed to be difficult. But, our bodies get used to them, especially if one has been fasting intermittently throughout the year (e.g. the sunnah fasts of Mondays, Thursdays, the White Days, etc.). Even non-Muslims undergo periods of intermittent fasting for weight loss.
 

Numb

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I would suggest ignoring that article. The "scholar" that was mentioned there has been disowned by even his father for various controversial stances he has taken. He is also a part of the "Quilliam Foundation", which takes many stances against Islam and Muslims, despite thinking itself an "Islamic" group.

As for what is done at high latitudes where there is no sunset/sunrise, there are three opinions:

1. Fast according to the timings of the nearest city that has an observable sunset/sunrise.
2. Fast according to the timings of the nearest Muslim country that has an observable sunset/sunrise.
3. Fast according to the timings of Makkah/Madinah.

All these are opinions only when there is no discernable sunrise/sunset, with most scholars saying that the first opinion is the most sound and safe. Usama Hasan's suggestion that regardless of there being a sunrise/sunset, people should just follow the timings of Makkah/Madinah is absurd. Why not just do that for prayers, too, then? You won't even have to wake up early for Fajr or go to sleep late due to Isha. In the higher latitudes Isha times can start way past 11pm and Fajr time can end before 4. Anyone who wants 8 hours of continuous sleep is out of luck so maybe they can follow Usama Hasan and not inconvenience themselves either for the rest of the year.

There's a reason why it's not recommended to fast right before Ramadhan or right after Ramadhan. It is understood that fasting IS challenging. It IS supposed to be difficult. But, our bodies get used to them, especially if one has been fasting intermittently throughout the year (e.g. the sunnah fasts of Mondays, Thursdays, the White Days, etc.). Even non-Muslims undergo periods of intermittent fasting for weight loss.

Thanks for the heads up. I was going to go with the normal way i have been doing for years in the first place. What you talked about as a solution has been linked by Khal_B aswell.

I found that article after searching for impossible fasting hours and their solutions where i live and thought it would be helpful to those that needed it. Didn't know the scholar and group were not trusted.
 
Maghrib is fast approaching here in Sydney, looking forward to Moon sighting reports :D

Long time, no see, bro.

I really hope inshaAllah that the moon is sighted tomorrow night here so we won't have a split at our masjid for taraweeh (beyond the 8 or 20 split lol which will always exist). People following Saudi are already planning on starting Ramadhan from tomorrow night.

Thanks for the heads up. I was going to go with the normal way i have been doing for years in the first place. What you talked about as a solution has been linked by Khal_B aswell.

I found that article after searching for impossible fasting hours and their solutions where i live and thought it would be helpful to those that needed it. Didn't know the scholar and group were not trusted.

Yeah, whenever some Islamic group or "scholar" is promoted in the non-Muslim media, we should all double check. The UK was recently promoting this "imam" who was marrying non-Muslim men with Muslim women.
 
Long time, no see, bro.
Asalaamu alaykum bro :D
I really hope inshaAllah that the moon is sighted tomorrow night here so we won't have a split at our masjid for taraweeh (beyond the 8 or 20 split lol which will always exist). People following Saudi are already planning on starting Ramadhan from tomorrow night.
In Aus. it is hoped that it will be sighted tonight, as everyone is planning to start fasting tomorrow, and it seems like it will be sighter, insha'Allah t'ala.
 
Asalaamu alaykum bro :D

In Aus. it is hoped that it will be sighted tonight, as everyone is planning to start fasting tomorrow, and it seems like it will be sighter, insha'Allah t'ala.

Wa 'alaykum as salaam.

InshaAllah. If it is sighted in Australia, then more than likely, it will be sighted in South America tomorrow night, which constitutes as "local sighting" for most North American moonsighting organizations. Many of my Arab friends follow Saudi and are getting on my case already lol because they think I won't be fasting on Thursday due to lack of moonsighting tomorrow night.
 
Days are really short here. So fajr is 5:30 and Maghrib is around 5. Pretty much easy mode. I fasted the Mondays and Thursdays leading up and it felt like easy mode. Still, excited as usual :D

Looks like most will start fasting tomorrow (Thursday) insha'Allah.

Welcome back Scribe!

Yeah, I live in Denmark. Hard mode to say the least here lol.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
My body is ready !

first time in my lifetime that there's gonna be full-on summer Ramadam.

I AM READY !
 

Red Hood

Banned
I am NOT ready. :((( I'm not a big fan of the summer to begin with and not being able to drink water will make me loath the summer even more. I'll probably just hole up in my home and stick to the shadows. Ah well, it's about being tested and we'll endure it again insha Allah.
 

sandy1297

Member
I lived in a place where we only fast for 12-13 hours at max (5AM-6PM+) since kids

so kuddos to all of you with 16-17+ hours fasting routine
 
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