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HDR 4k TV sets with lowest input lag?
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HIGH DEF JEFF
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HOW MANY THREADSSSSS
This is such a sad statement when just a couple of years ago Sony was by far best-in-class in terms of input lag.
TaintedHotSauce
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Why not? The 800D seems good.
This is really funny, since pretty much only reason why are they pushing 4k is so they can sell their 4k TVs.
Uh, 38ms of input lag is hardly good. That's basically double the input lag of what Samsung offer across the board. And the majority of Sony 4k sets are even worse.
It's not just a matter of having a low enough input lag in game mode but in game mode with HDR enabled. From my search only the Samsung KS models have that currently and they are bigger than what the OP is looking for. Maybe consider the 55"? If cost is the sticking point I bet we see some deals on it in Nov/Dec.
I have a Samsung JS7000 60" and it has 24ms of lag on game mode. The HDR in the screen is beautiful as well. It's a fantastic tv. The only downfall is when viewing at night you can see the light through really dark screen segments, not a big deal for gaming but it's noticable when watching UHD HDR movies.
For what it's worth, game mode was buried in my TVs options and I played through all of Uncharted in movie mode with 124ms of input lag and, though it was barely noticable to me (it felt a little slippery), I still beat the game on hard mode. After I found game mode and turned to on, it became super snappy.
For what it's worth, game mode was buried in my TVs options and I played through all of Uncharted in movie mode with 124ms of input lag and, though it was barely noticable to me (it felt a little slippery), I still beat the game on hard mode. After I found game mode and turned to on, it became super snappy.
ethomaz
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From DisplayLag these are great / excelentes.
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
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2016 60" LG 60UH6550 4K 120hz LED HDTV 19ms Check Amazon Excellent DisplayLag
2016 65" Samsung UN65KS8500 4K 120hz LED HDTV 19ms Check Amazon Excellent DisplayLag
2016 55" Samsung UN55KS8500 4K 120hz LED HDTV 20ms Check Amazon Excellent DisplayLag
2016 55" Samsung UN55KS8000 4K 120hz LED HDTV 20ms Check Amazon Excellent DisplayLag
2016 55" Samsung UN55KS9500 4K 120hz LED HDTV 20ms Check Amazon Excellent DisplayLag
2016 65" Samsung UN65KS9500 4K 120hz LED HDTV 20ms Check Amazon Excellent DisplayLag
2016 55" Haier 55E5500U 4K 60hz LED HDTV 27ms N/A Great DisplayLag
2016 65" LG 65UH8500 4K 240hz LED HDTV 32ms Check Amazon Great DisplayLag
2016 65" LG 65UH6150 4K 120hz LED HDTV 33ms Check Amazon Great DisplayLag
2016 55" LG 55UH6150 4K 120hz LED HDTV 33ms Check Amazon Great DisplayLag
2016 43" LG 43UH6100 4K 120hz LED HDTV 33ms Check Amazon Great DisplayLag
2016 49" LG 49UH6100 4K 120hz LED HDTV 33ms Check Amazon Great DisplayLag
2016 60" LG 60UH7700 4K 240hz LED HDTV 34ms Check Amazon Great DisplayLag
2016 65" LG 65UH7700 4K 240hz LED HDTV 34ms Check Amazon Great DisplayLag
2016 55" LG 55UH7700 4K 240hz LED HDTV 34ms Check Amazon Great DisplayLaghttp://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
Chip N Chance
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This tv is supposed to be the shit. 4K, HDR, low latency of about 19ms. The catch is that i guess the latency ups when you enable HDR, which is to be expected. They have break down of how much lag depending on the settings. Its about 62ms with HDR on.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016
Check the Samsung KS8000 or Panasonic TX750 as LED panel or LG B6/C6 for OLEDS.
The input lag with HDR is starting to be quite insignificant
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd/best
A DF article even: I did found an interesting article if you care:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-the-best-4k-screens-for-hdr-gaming
On the PS4 Pro video, DF said that they got the Panasonic TX750 wich is a reasonable TV. I might say the best for the buck for 4K, LED HDR gamming TV
The input lag with HDR is starting to be quite insignificant
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd/best
A DF article even: I did found an interesting article if you care:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-the-best-4k-screens-for-hdr-gaming
On the PS4 Pro video, DF said that they got the Panasonic TX750 wich is a reasonable TV. I might say the best for the buck for 4K, LED HDR gamming TV
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Oh thanks for this!
But again, if you are buying one of these to get the most out of the PS4 Pro (and/or Scorpio) and want HDR enabled, then these numbers are meaningless if they are being measured with HDR off in game mode. Other than the Samsungs, I think all of those numbers go way up with HDR turned on.
Links don't work.
metareferential
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HDR increases lag, even when all post processing is disabled and most game modes don't include hdr.
It's really hard choosing a display. And 65" is just too small.
Hopefully native 4k hdr projectors will hit the market soon. Epson's new pixel shift 4k pj is hdr and kinda affordable but it's not native 4k.
I'll keep playing on my current setups (gsync monitor and 1080p projector) for the time being, even if I could easily get 4k with my Titan X pascal.
It's really hard choosing a display. And 65" is just too small.
Hopefully native 4k hdr projectors will hit the market soon. Epson's new pixel shift 4k pj is hdr and kinda affordable but it's not native 4k.
I'll keep playing on my current setups (gsync monitor and 1080p projector) for the time being, even if I could easily get 4k with my Titan X pascal.
doesn't Samsung turn off all processing even FALD to achive those kind of numbers? I am pretty sure that was the case when they suddenly become good for gaming and Sony went other way because they are able to retain a lot of the tech in game mode. The Samsung KS8000 cost quite a bit more than Sony XBR850 here in Canada.
If I am not mistaken, HDR is not enabled in low-latency Game Mode, right?
yup, sad to see. my current sony set is 17ms. they dropped the ball when they went 4k
Also, the Leo Bodnar testers only work with 1080p signals, so I have a feeling some of these sites are simply testing 1080p/HDR and reporting that for their 4k sets versus doing the more complicated tv + pc + crt + high ISO camera set-up with a 4k signal (I think that's the basic idea). Just something to keep in mind.
Dee Dah Dave
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Samsung 49KS8000.
Or 7000 which is the same Europe version.
~24ms in HDR Game Mode off the top of my head.
Or 7000 which is the same Europe version.
~24ms in HDR Game Mode off the top of my head.
InsaneTiger
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It seems like input lag is still a bit too long, I might wait.
Not true. Eurogamer author confused HDR with HDR+.
Does anyone know anything about the models they have at costco? They don't seem to have model numbers that match up with other retailers? Can you just compare it to the closest model number it resembles? (last couple digits tend to be different)
They have an LG 65" for 1,000 right now that i'm eyeing.
The model number is similar to this one:
2016 65" LG 65UH6150 4K 120hz LED HDTV 33ms Check Amazon Great DisplayLag
Costco:
LG 65" Class (64.5" Diag.) 4K Ultra HD Smart LED LCD TV 65UH615A
Will the "A" make a difference?
If not, this seems like a sweet tv?
Comparing the spec sheets on the LG site they look identical, but obviously that doesn't guarantee anything.
They have an LG 65" for 1,000 right now that i'm eyeing.
The model number is similar to this one:
2016 65" LG 65UH6150 4K 120hz LED HDTV 33ms Check Amazon Great DisplayLag
Costco:
LG 65" Class (64.5" Diag.) 4K Ultra HD Smart LED LCD TV 65UH615A
Will the "A" make a difference?
If not, this seems like a sweet tv?
Comparing the spec sheets on the LG site they look identical, but obviously that doesn't guarantee anything.
vpance
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Very true. On the other hand, not knowing the truth may be better for some
I know it, and I'm still ignoring it lol. Lalalalala. My TV started acting up again so I didn't want to deal with it another year.
So much bad info out there. Do Sony 4K tv's have worse input lag than their old 1080p sets? Yes the 1080p tv's were generally in the low 20's for input lag and the 4k's are in the mid 30's. That is not a giant jump. The difference is that Sony has always been much better about keeping the exact same image quality when you go to game mode as you get in the other modes. This is where Samsung and other TV's fall flat. Don't listen to the naysayers on this topic, Sony still makes the best tv's around and their 4K upscaling technology is the best in the business and not one really even disputes that. Keep in mind that for now most of the time the TV is going to be upscaling your cable picture and any 1080p consoles for you also. Input lag is not the only thing that matters. I'll take 10-15 ms more with a much better picture.
The Real Napsta
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Ugh, 20ms is unplayable for me.
Rbk_3
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That's not a true HDR screen. It does have WCG but is way short on the NITS required. Maxes out a 300 nits on anything that isn't full screen.
You need to go KS8000 or above in the Samsung line if you don't want half baked HDR.
The lowest rated TV out there, of any kind, has 17ms of lag, duder.
Rbk_3
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You're confusing response time and input lag. No monitor has 1ms I don't think.
rtings reviewed the Vizio 4K D series at 13ms as the lowest
The Hamburglar
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Maybe op should update lowest input lag with HDR turned on. A lot are just posting without that figure
Yup. They are also really affordable. I picked up a 55" KU6300 for $650 the other day and I think they get even cheaper than that sometimes.
I'm really happy with it. The picture is amazing, the Plex, Netflix and Amazon apps are good enough that I've retired my Fire TV and the input lag is not noticeable at all for me.
ManUtdRedDevils
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I hope my Sony W900A never dies!
What is the Samsung UE49KS8080 then in the US? http://geizhals.at/samsung-ue49ks8080-silber-a1417384.html
FarFromAnyGame
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Costco uses the warehouse product code and stores use store product code. They're most likely identical except maybe frame color.
Costco has the KS8000 as KS800D.
Oh okay. I was using displaylag.com's database. Apparently they haven't tested Vizio in a while.
The KU6000 TVs people are recommending also aren't "full" HDR, either.
Dee Dah Dave
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I believe that TV would be the equivalent of the US KS9000. Not 100% on that though, it seems they change the model numbers in several regions.
I'm from the UK and all I know is the UK KS7000 is the US KS8000, and the UK KS8000 is the US KS9000.
LOL
I feel for you, because you're basically out of luck when it comes to HDTVs. Input lag bugs me, but thankfully I'm not sensitive enough that 20ms ruins it for me. That would be a blower. That being said I play SFV on my gaming monitor for the best experience, but everything else I'm okay playing on my 30-35ms LG.
I miss mine. I've got the engineers to thank for chipping the glass on the screen and it not being cost effective to replace. I'm a Samsung owner now and whilst good that Sony was a classy TV.