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Politico: Trump ignores 'the grown-ups' in his Cabinet
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I wouldn't be shocked Pence was directing some of it.
uncredited male
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The crown goes to who can stroke his ego the most.
Frozenprince
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Well yeah there's a good reason he has gone bankrupt so much. Dude is running the fucking country the same way he ran the USFL, a god damn football league.
You should read the articles people have written about his ventures. Exactly the same problems.
I am just praying there is something left when it happens
That anecdote about Mattis personally lobbying for Tillerson probably explains the sudden flip the McCain/Graham/Rubio group had on him.
Tillerson is weird, because if any other Republican had nominated him, I probably would have shrugged and said sure, but because it was Trump, the Russia stuff became terrifying. He was probably the one I was most strongly against, except for Sessions, who is just an odious human being. So far, so good though, with Tillerson. Still plenty of time for him to disappoint with some ludicrous "deal" with Russia, but at least he hasn't straight up advocated for multiple acts of war so far like Mattis has.
Tillerson is weird, because if any other Republican had nominated him, I probably would have shrugged and said sure, but because it was Trump, the Russia stuff became terrifying. He was probably the one I was most strongly against, except for Sessions, who is just an odious human being. So far, so good though, with Tillerson. Still plenty of time for him to disappoint with some ludicrous "deal" with Russia, but at least he hasn't straight up advocated for multiple acts of war so far like Mattis has.
GraveHorizon
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Reading the quoted stuff in the OP, it sounds exactly like a political soap opera. So much drama, talking behind other people's backs, getting snubbed by the "in crowd."
Frozenprince
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It's like if The West Wing was written by CBS sitcom writers.
Vestal
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If it was Mattis play to have an ally in State so he can reign in the craziness in foreign policy, then as long as it bears fruit I am all for it.
UnemployedVillain
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When real life has more intrigue and drama than House of Cards, we have a serious problem
Dubbedinenglish
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Trump is OK with a two-state and one-state solution. So we are now at the three-state solution.
jack_package_200
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Bug Bang Two and a Half Presidents
Basically this; everyone Trump picks is suspect, Tillerson was well deserving of scrutiny and skepticism, but it is on some level reassuring to know the adults trying to protect some semblance of a functional government viewed him as a more likely ally against Trump's craziness.
triplestation
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So easy a caveman can do it
So easy a caveman can do it
All that's official is that Trump doesn't care about Israel's conflict. His non-chalant attitude to his answer and him passing the buck entirely to his son in law says that loud and clear. The official US stance for now is whatever Tillerson says it is as he's the figure of authority on it.
lastplayed
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Maybe Trump thinks it's a 51st state solution.
the_batman
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this dude is just a model of what kind of person NOT to become.
x24hrs2livex
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I'm not the most political person, and have only followed politics since GW took office, but were there any other administration's this fucked up?
A fair amount actually for example his idol Andrew Jackson has much of the same dysfunction actually.
Frozenprince
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Grant was also bad because he also just let his drinking buddies run things.
Dash_Riprock
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Grant's was known as the most corrupt in history (may change soon of course). Difference was for the completely opposite reasons for Trump: Grant was known for being nice to fault and always stuck up for his corrupt friends (many of them his old war buddies) out of genuine loyalty and friendship.
Actually, it would be hilarious if he actually tried to run a public company and ask his followers to buy shares in it. Just watching it all go down in flames would actually be worth it.
Flying Toaster
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When you look at the mess and feel good about Tillerson you know shit has hit the fan.
Michael F. Assbender
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Surround yourself with nothing but yes men, you shallow, miserable, angry, narcissistic, thin-skinned, racist, sexist, lying, halfwit dildo.
Shit like that always leads to success.
Tillerson is not very competent and completely lacking in experience, but at least he's sane.
Of course, he's chief diplomat for the guy who conducts diplomacy by Tweet, so how well he can rein in the crazy is anyone's guess.
Flying Toaster
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At any given time he is only listening to one person at a time. That person happens to be different depending on his mood.
Michael F. Assbender
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Because they might actually try talking him out of going to war...
elrechazado
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He's a fortune 500 CEO. Like his politics or not, those guys are super competent and do not suffer fools well.
superdeluxe
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Holy shit, we're rooting for Tillerson now.
If Mattis now has SecState along with his SecDef, CIA, Homeland, if we can get a solid NSA. At the very least our foreign policy/relations will be steady.
If Mattis now has SecState along with his SecDef, CIA, Homeland, if we can get a solid NSA. At the very least our foreign policy/relations will be steady.
Yeah, can't see that working out. I'd be very surprised if the US isn't in a formal state of war with another country by the end of 2018.
The way I read that response in the press conference, it's classic Trump trying to sound like he knows something when he's clueless, like that quote where he said he'd uphold Article XII of the Constitution. There's no coherent one-state solution that both parties would accept.
The problem is that people expect the President's words to mean something, so they have to take it as an actual statement of policy.
superdeluxe
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Like a great CEO he listens to his experts
Hierophant
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ill promise not a single populace outside of the US will support any war trump starts
dunno about the leadership but any war trump starts will be massively unpopular world wide
FunkyMunkey
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you can bet your ass a war would be unpopular with the us (citizens) as well no matter how much shit talking we do
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