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Tonyx · Oct 11, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDGPSWWA18

According to the Cynical Brit being able to use real money for random loot makes games similar to gambling, so they should be evaluated at least 17+.

Microtransact me if old.

Strax · Oct 11, 2017

I can see where he's coming from.

Theswweet · Oct 11, 2017

I, for one, think it's a reasonable idea.

mocolostrocolos · Oct 11, 2017

I agree.

It's a way of gambling after all.

robotrock · Oct 11, 2017

You never hear about kids spending thousands of dollars accidently on their parents iPad

Lanrutcon · Oct 11, 2017

Interesting idea.

Wonder if it will stick?

lucebuce12 · Oct 11, 2017

It's not at all a bad idea.

NullPointer · Oct 11, 2017

Will check out the video tomorrow, but in terms of the title I'm all for this.

Card Boy · Oct 11, 2017

I don't see a problem. Also tax it and regulate it like regular gambling aswell.

L~A · Oct 11, 2017

In a world where parents happily buy GTA and other 17+ games to their kids, I honestly don't see what would be the point of that... not to mention many of the games with such microtransactions are already rated Mature.

KZXcellent · Oct 11, 2017

That's actually a good idea. Help make people more aware of this, especially parents.

RockmanBN · Oct 11, 2017

robotrock said:
You never hear about kids spending thousands of dollars accidently on their parents iPad

Yeah. What kid would do that?

frankie_baby · Oct 11, 2017

Great idea

GHG · Oct 11, 2017

Completely in agreement. Hopefully they take this seriously.

Mendrox · Oct 11, 2017

I totally agree. Good points

Rexatality · Oct 11, 2017

Card Boy said:
I don't see a problem. Also tax it and regulate it like regular gambling aswell.

Government regulation over games that has loot boxes would set a bad precedent

Drackhorn · Oct 11, 2017

I see a role for the European Commission here as well.

Tonyx · Oct 11, 2017

I think it's a great idea.

Games have evolved and ratings need to evolve to reflect that.
Not everyone is aware of how this things works.

It's like games have the 'gaming experience may change online' tag, they should also have something like 'game may cost much more' or things like that. At least it's an informed decision.

Iceberg · Oct 11, 2017

+18 and a clear message like those in cigarrette packs warning everyone that gambling is featured in the game.

Jolkien · Oct 11, 2017

I agree with the thread title, I'll watch the video when I get off work in 2 hours.

robotrock · Oct 11, 2017

You know what they say: a broken clock is forever bad, but a delayed one is right twice a day.

TotalBiscuit, I would sign this petition.

BumblebeeCody · Oct 11, 2017

Sounds good.

CookTrain · Oct 11, 2017

I'm curious if this would eventually double back on physical blind-pack situations as well if it goes beyond ESRB/PEGI/etc. They're the same situation and they are tantamount to gambling as well.

More transparency in stuff is a good thing.

Hasney · Oct 11, 2017

Not a fan of TB, but a good idea is a good idea. They really should.

GGNKovalski · Oct 11, 2017

I'm all for it. I think it may stop some Pubs from doing it or reconsider how they are doing it. I doubt someone like EA would want 17+ slapped on Madden or Take Two would want that on NBA.

erlim · Oct 11, 2017

I am down with this, I doubt ESRB will be though.

aussiedude08 · Oct 11, 2017

This is a great idea. And in kids or sports games they would be forced to remove all the microtransactios.

Have it listed on the ratings labels or a banner on the box to say it has microtransactions.

LordCiego · Oct 11, 2017

Rexatality said:
Government regulation over games that has loot boxes would set a bad precedent

A bad precedent for what? Honest question.

OCD Guy · Oct 11, 2017

Good idea in theory but it won't have much effect.

Take a game like Fifa for example with pack opening being nothing more than glorified gambling, you think if it suddenly had an 18 rating little Jimmy's parents still wouldn't buy it for him?

My personal opinion is that loot crates and all of these glorified gambling transactions in games is going to blow up really badly and go away......

Lyng · Oct 11, 2017

Fantastic idea.

NekoFever · Oct 11, 2017

Drackhorn said:
I see a role for the European Commission here as well.

They've already starting making noises about going after Apple and Google for exploitative in-app purchases, and iOS and Android have far more obvious parental control options than consoles do. I think it's just a matter of time.

purseowner · Oct 11, 2017

Awful man, interesting idea.

Glass Rebel · Oct 11, 2017

Card Boy said:
I don't see a problem. Also tax it and regulate it like regular gambling aswell.

Probably the only way this shit will go away.

NullPointer · Oct 11, 2017

OCD Guy said:
Take a game like Fifa for example with pack opening being nothing more than glorified gambling, you think if it suddenly had an 18 rating little Jimmy's parents still wouldn't buy it for him?

Making it clear that a game has these systems are in place is important in its own right.

sphinx · Oct 11, 2017

L~A said:
In a world where some parents happily buy GTA and other 17+ games to their kids, I honestly don't see what would be the point of that... not to mention many of the games with such microtransactions are already rated Mature.

fixed that for you

for more responsible parents, they'd probably like to know what games are filled with P2W-ridden microtransactions.

InquisitorAles · Oct 11, 2017

Great idea, I'm all for this.

Massive Duck. C.M. · Oct 11, 2017

Somehow I don't see this happening

MontyBrown · Oct 11, 2017

He's right, and I agree.

T.O.P · Oct 11, 2017

Great idea, it will never happen

GHG · Oct 11, 2017

OCD Guy said:
Good idea in theory but it won't have much effect.

Take a game like Fifa for example with pack opening being nothing more than glorified gambling, you think if it suddenly had an 18 rating little Jimmy's parents still wouldn't buy it for him?

My personal opinion is that loot crates and all of these glorified gambling transactions in games is going to blow up really badly and go away......

It's about making parents more aware of what their kids are exposed to. They might choose to still buy it for the child but they might prepare their child better in terms of educating them about the mechinics at play and what the child needs to be aware of.

As it stands most parents have no idea about what their kids are being exposed to in these games.

PsionBolt · Oct 11, 2017

The M rating of 17+ isn't good enough. In the vast majority of North America, the legal gambling age is 18, 19, or 21.

Games with real-money gambling should be rated AO, 18+.

Drackhorn · Oct 11, 2017

NekoFever said:
They've already starting making noises about going after Apple and Google for exploitative in-app purchases, and iOS and Android have far more obvious parental control options than consoles do. I think it's just a matter of time.

Let's hope they will.

Kenzodielocke · Oct 11, 2017

Apple and Google Play have this, should be on the box, as well. But what about the pubs who patch in those afterwards?

angelic · Oct 11, 2017

I think the industry has genuine contempt for it's customers. We are the great unwashed buying preowned games, therefore they're justified in scamming us. It's the publisher antidote to preowned, turning every preowned copy into a portal to their microtransaction shop. Even when loot boxes are shut down, they'll move on to some other method. I think we're in for a few years of it, then legislation, then they move on to their next scam.

BigEmil · Oct 11, 2017

Kenzodielocke said:
Apple and Google Play have this, should be on the box, as well. But what about the pubs who patch in those afterwards?

Exactly. And should not just be on box but in the store listings too make it very clear

Tonyx · Oct 11, 2017

Kenzodielocke said:
Apple and Google Play have this, should be on the box, as well. But what about the pubs who patch in those afterwards?

That wouldn't be different from patching nudity in a kids game I guess.
Shouldn't be allowed (if it's an official patch).

foxbeldin · Oct 11, 2017

Drackhorn said:
I see a role for the European Commission here as well.

Yeah they need to step in, but i wonder if we should contact our euro deputies on the matter? I guess they don't know much about videogames.

the_milkybar_kid · Oct 11, 2017

I like that idea quite a bit. And if it puts more pressure on devs / publishers to rid them for good eventually- it can only be a good thing.

I'm frankly sick of this industry and it's consant, grubby price gouging.

KyleCross · Oct 11, 2017

Making a game M-Rated just for having lootboxes? I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that. This sounds like a suggestion based around concerns of "gambling" but is just a cover with the actual motive being people want lootboxes gone and they know a lot of games would avoid an M rating.

Tho it seems like a lot of people don't care, they just want them gone. Guess you're all cool with $100 games then, right? Games have become too expensive for the $60 price tag, companies have to do something.

Sad Affleck · Oct 11, 2017

Great idea, go TB!

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