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There will be Black Friday deals even in OLED. I doubt we see this mythical price drop for the super large screens that people want though.
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I remember the ef9500/eg9600 hit their lowest price for 2015 in November so it's likely.
I can see the 65" B6/C6 getting down to around $3.5k
got a GREAT score despite the terrible input lag. Really looking forward to the C6 review
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
guessing the C6 will be right at the same 8.9 or so.
the e6 is a 9.0
doesn't seem like the difference in input lag effected the score as much as no 3D support / sound did.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Those folks over at Sony's tv division still have the Ken Kutaragi mentality. Gotta work 2 jobs to get a Sony tv. I love my KDL-55W802A but I want a 4K set and would like to get a Sony set but their tvs compared to the competition are just aren't up to snuff. Especially when it comes to input lag.
No DV is also a bummer.
Thinking of caving in and getting a KS8000 65 inch set.
No DV is also a bummer.
Thinking of caving in and getting a KS8000 65 inch set.
finalflame
Gold Member
Is 54ms input lag really THAT bad? I don't do any "pro" gaming on my TV..just things like GTA, generally TPS, etc. Can anyone speak to the actual perceptibility of that level of input lag? I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on a 55" B6.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
games will feel a little "heavy" with it. Esp 30fps stuff.
Mostly fine for single-player gaming.
B6 feels fine for gaming here but then I get 44ms lag on mine with the Bodnar (euro version) and not 54ms, but this is when switching to the game input after using a PAL source. Strangely it goes up to 54ms otherwise, but then I only ever switch from a PAL source (Sky) over to my PS4 so always get 44ms.
If you don't want to pay much more and gaming is your priority then consider the C6 with 34-42ms of lag. But if you want a flat screen and you have a mix of TV, movies and gaming then I'd get the B6. Unless you can stretch to the E6.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
woah weird, have you reported that on AVS / to LG? Also curious if other users on AVS could replicate on their B6
might mean there's some sort of bug in the B6 OS and a firmware upgrade could get the lag down much closer to the E6 level.
PeterVenkman
Member
Is the ABL something you can disable? I've always wondered what was up with my screen brightness changing.
I'd be hesitant to say "no" as a blanket statement because I'm sure there's been a handful of TVs where you could, but the answer seems to be "generally no".
Also the two posters below me seem to think you can on the OLEDs and I don't feel confident enough to say otherwise so I'd defer to them. I have an LG plasma where you cannot so that's my experience with it.
Their input lag reading is incorrect. B6 with the latest firmware has 44ms latency.
You can turn ABL off.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
you can in the service menu, but that isn't something I think most people would advise.
PeterVenkman
Member
Figured as much. It's near impossible to notice in games and movies (though if I cheese the camera I can do it sometimes), but it is noticeable when browsing the web and editing in Adobe software.
ChrisMahoney
Banned
LG 55EG9100 55" OLED is only $1440 on Amazon. An OLED has never been this cheap!
thewaffles
Member
It's a great TV. Minor gripes aside, I'm extremely happy with it.
Good to hear. I think I'll be happy with it. I usually play with dim lighting, not pitch black, so I think that will help counter the black level differences from the VAs.
See? Even Sony's PR team knows that the black levels can't compete with OLED
I don't think anyone in their right mind thought it would be able to beat a display which can turn it's pixels off
As long as the blacks are decent though, the extra brightness should help it look great with HDR content.Just this morning, full specs are here
http://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/xbr-z9d-series/specifications
The specs are here
http://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/xbr-z9d-series/specifications
and looks like 3D is active still.
People keep misreporting this, input lag on the X930D is 36ms, it seems Rtings and other sites didn't get an accurate measurement.
source: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1461823563&rss
Yeah ouch hahaha at that price you'd think they could have forked out a bit for the Dolby Vision and or UHD Premium certification. Keep in mind though that the UHD Certification is a thing they have to pay for, the set can still meet those requirements and not be certified. iirc the X930D series met the requirements, but Sony didn't fork out to have the sticker on the box.
So for the past month or so most our stores in Australia stopped stocking LG OLEDs, but now just this morning, new models were added.
So now I could choose between the Sony X940D, Sony Z9D or LG B6 (E6 is probably a bit outside my price range haha). What is the LG B6 like? Can anyone point me to a decent review of the set with details like input lag?
EDIT: Nevermind I found this post, thanks!
Seems really nice except for the input lag, I wonder if it could be improved via firmware.
So now I could choose between the Sony X940D, Sony Z9D or LG B6 (E6 is probably a bit outside my price range haha). What is the LG B6 like? Can anyone point me to a decent review of the set with details like input lag?
EDIT: Nevermind I found this post, thanks!
Seems really nice except for the input lag, I wonder if it could be improved via firmware.
Yeah, if anything, that should be a pretty good sign that Sony won't be supporting it with the PS4K, which makes Dolby Vision a streaming only format for now.
Apparently Sony doesn't like DV and UHD Premium because it prevents their products from having their own identity and uniqueness. They want their products to stand out from the crowd so they go with their own HDR/4K logos/performance despite meeting all the standards set by the UHD Alliance.
Besides, Sony and Samsung don't really need Dolby Vision despite it being superior to HDR10 right now. With much higher brightness of LCD displays they can match and surpass DV quality with HDR, and once dynamic metadata for 12bit HDR rolls around then it won't matter.
Right now Dolby Vision is what keeps OLED competitive against the higher brightness HDR10 sets, so it's important for any OLED TV to have it, but for LCD, not so much.
It has been improved with firmware here in Europe at least. 44ms is where it's currently at here.
Besides, Sony and Samsung don't really need Dolby Vision despite it being superior to HDR10 right now. With much higher brightness of LCD displays they can match and surpass DV quality with HDR, and once dynamic metadata for 12bit HDR rolls around then it won't matter.
Right now Dolby Vision is what keeps OLED competitive against the higher brightness HDR10 sets, so it's important for any OLED TV to have it, but for LCD, not so much.
It has been improved with firmware here in Europe at least. 44ms is where it's currently at here.
DJ Lushious
Member
Maybe, maybe not. Dolby Vision can work via HDMI 1.4, which I think shows how forward thinking Dolby was that they could backwards.
My point being, it remains to be seen how metadata HDR10 will play out. Is it going to usher in yet another HDMI spec? At least Dolby Vision has defined standards and is likely not to divert from that anytime soon.
Though I wonder if the Xbox One S will be able to do Dolby Vision. Microsoft hasn't said said anything, to my knowledge.
Maybe, maybe not. Dolby Vision can work via HDMI 1.4, which I think shows how forward thinking Dolby was that they could backwards.
My point being, it remains to be seen how metadata HDR10 will play out. Is it going to usher in yet another HDMI spec? At least Dolby Vision has defined standards and is likely not to divert from that anytime soon.
Though I wonder if the Xbox One S will be able to do Dolby Vision. Microsoft hasn't said said anything, to my knowledge.
Yep, good points made, but I think even static metadata HDR can look impressive on TVs with high nit count, at least when compared to OLED.
Are there any DV supported LCD TVs with high (1000+) nit capable panels? Vizio perhaps? I'm curious how it compares.
As far as Xbox One S goes, no mention of DV means it likely doesn't support it.
Triplicates
Member
The Z is nowhere near the AVS hype of the past few days, but the impressions still sound very promising. I can't wait to see it in person. It's this or a E/G6 in the fall.
Yep, good points made, but I think even static metadata HDR can look impressive on TVs with high nit count, at least when compared to OLED.
Are there any DV supported LCD TVs with high (1000+) nit capable panels? Vizio perhaps? I'm curious how it compares.
As far as Xbox One S goes, no mention of DV means it likely doesn't support it.
Vizio's displays support Dolby Vision. I actually don't think they even support HDR10 yet. Waiting on a firmware update.
finalflame
Gold Member
Should I keep my 65UH6550 I got for $1000 or get a 55KS9000 for $2000? Sigh.
I'd stick with the LG you have now and save up my pennies for a major upgrade down the line.
finalflame
Gold Member
Yah, part of me wants to wait until OLED for 4K HDR has had a bit more time in the oven, which is why I struck out spending the money on a B6. I can get by with HDR10 and okay-quality LCD for now, probably.
Interesting, will look into it. Thanks. Lack of 4:4:4 is a shame, but not a huge deal.
RTings is the only one that said it doesn't have proper 4:4:4. Users on AVS forum have tested it and said it works. I think it's limited to specific HDMI inputs though.
DJ Lushious
Member
Yep, still waiting on that firmware. I'd say we would be extremely lucky if we got the update by the time the Xbox One S came out. I don't know what the hold-up is. The CTO of Vizio made an interesting statement that said they shot for Dolby Vision first, since it was the most difficult to implement. Which left the easier HDR10 (by comparison) to come out later.
In regards to your nit question, the P-Series don't break 1000. It's around ~800 nit, though that's full-screen. Everyone else advertises their window nit, which isn't necessarily reflective of the real-world.Yep, good points made, but I think even static metadata HDR can look impressive on TVs with high nit count, at least when compared to OLED.
Are there any DV supported LCD TVs with high (1000+) nit capable panels? Vizio perhaps? I'm curious how it compares.
As far as Xbox One S goes, no mention of DV means it likely doesn't support it.
Going back to the Vizio CTO, apparently Vizio thinks the windowed measurements are wind to a straw house. I don't know enough to really comment one way or the other.
I've not been able to scope out AVSForum today, but yesterday the P-Serisles thread was a madhouse over 4:4:4. I'm hearing it doesn't work, but there have been tests that say it almost does (RTings), to others say that it does completely. I'll be paying close attention to how this unfolds. I don't PC on my P65, so I'm not affected, but it's more the dubious claims that this is a feature the P-Series can ha doe.
Early impressions on the Z9D seem overly positive
Take it all with a grain of salt though.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/sony-z-series-led-tv-hands-on/Digital Trends said:
https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/20/sony-z-series/engadget said:
Take it all with a grain of salt though.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
very interested to see them get into the hands of folks.
real pity about Dolby Vision, but I'm sure Sony and Samsung and others probably don't want to pay for a chipset from Dolby for every TV they sell.
real pity about Dolby Vision, but I'm sure Sony and Samsung and others probably don't want to pay for a chipset from Dolby for every TV they sell.
Plasma is dead but it has no ghosting do to its 600hz screen response rate.
input lag still exists and is often worse than the best panels though due to all the other processing.
I have one of the old Plasma Titans but the new LED TV's look much better to me. Dat brightness.
Oled is probably the best answer, but who can afford that.
input lag still exists and is often worse than the best panels though due to all the other processing.
I have one of the old Plasma Titans but the new LED TV's look much better to me. Dat brightness.
Oled is probably the best answer, but who can afford that.
finalflame
Gold Member
Fuck it, I pulled the trigger on a UN65KS8000 after reading that LGs sub-7700 aren't true 4K.
Finally excited to get the TV.
Finally excited to get the TV.
You get used to it but when you play something that requires very precise input you'll start to notice that you miss more jumps or whatever. I have a low input lag Panasonic plasma but my POS Denon AV receiver caused input lag. After routing audio TV to receiver I noticed I did much better in Bloodborne for example.
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Dolby has a Dolby Vision 10,000 nit display, colorist can use to color grade for HDR/DV. DV can evolve as well, actually faster than HDR10 because it doesn't require hardware, like previously thought just a chipset thats strong enough to process the software metadata and 12bit backbone. HDR10 requires specific HDMI models to function properly.
Guys...this is a TV by Chinese company LeTV that is selling like crazy in HK. They don't have an English page, so I have had to Google Translate the specs.
Original is here http://hk.shop.letv.com/product/x55/spec.html
Specs:
Screen
RGB three-color 55 "4K display
178 degree viewing angle 280nit minimum brightness
60Hz refresh rate
Resolution
3840 x 2160 (60fps)
CPU+GPU
Mstar 6A928 Cortex-A17 1.4GHz (4 core)
Mali T760MP4 (4 core)
MACE-PRO4 fourth-generation image processing engine
Support H.265 4K 60fps video hardware solutions
Storage
2GB DDR3
8GB eMMC
I know it's impossible to say anything about the screen quality without going hands on, but are these specs good? The price is very reasonable
Original is here http://hk.shop.letv.com/product/x55/spec.html
Specs:
Screen
RGB three-color 55 "4K display
178 degree viewing angle 280nit minimum brightness
60Hz refresh rate
Resolution
3840 x 2160 (60fps)
CPU+GPU
Mstar 6A928 Cortex-A17 1.4GHz (4 core)
Mali T760MP4 (4 core)
MACE-PRO4 fourth-generation image processing engine
Support H.265 4K 60fps video hardware solutions
Storage
2GB DDR3
8GB eMMC
I know it's impossible to say anything about the screen quality without going hands on, but are these specs good? The price is very reasonable
Backfoggen
Banned
I wouldn't want to miss the low input lag of my KS9000. In Furi I was just wrecking bosses compared to my last tv which had around 50ms. Could really not go back.
It's a 4K SDR TV. It would have to be *very* reasonable to stand out significantly, even if it's performance is good which we can't tell from this.
PeterVenkman
Member
How? I never saw it in options - are there any adverse effects to turning it off?
It's about 800USD I think? Asking cos I JUST bought an expensive ass OLED LG a few months ago and people were hyping this up.
Thanks!
From what I read in the review, the image retention is worse .
It's in the Service menu. If you turn it off you'll probably get some temporary image retention which won't last very long. The panel will do a compensation cycle in standby to clean the panel so I wouldn't worry about it, but only turn it off if pixel dimming is a major distraction for you. The settings in the Service menu shouldn't really be tampered with if you don't know what they all do.
Mr. Wonderful
Member
To me, the more interesting aspect of the Z9 series is how indicative it will be of 2017's TV models. Most vendors seem confident that they can skip over OLED. Features from series like the Z9 trickling down to more mainstream models are what's going to allow that to happen.
2017 is going to be an exciting year for TVs. Cheaper OLEDs, probably a lot more better backlighting systems for LCDs.
2017 is going to be an exciting year for TVs. Cheaper OLEDs, probably a lot more better backlighting systems for LCDs.