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Killzone Shadow Fall uses FXAA + TMAA
- Thread starter Loudninja
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FlyStarJay
Member
WHAT ARE THOSE AA ANYWAYS? pls explain thanks
KINGofCRA5H
Member
I know this has been covered a million times probably, but how does this compare to MSAA?
Terbinator
Member
MSAA + FXAA has been used on some titles before. Not sure what TMAA is exactly (temporal?).
SniperHunter
Banned
Yes in modern pc games
I asked for some more info on Twitter and this is what I got.
https://twitter.com/MvdLeeuwGG/status/397481952443248640
I'm guessing TMAA is the first pass and has a temporal component and FXAA is used after to finish cleaning up the edges. Having an AA pass first probably helps with the blur usually caused by FXAA.
Michiel Van Der Leeuw said:
https://twitter.com/MvdLeeuwGG/status/397481952443248640
I'm guessing TMAA is the first pass and has a temporal component and FXAA is used after to finish cleaning up the edges. Having an AA pass first probably helps with the blur usually caused by FXAA.
Viruz
Member
Please explain.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Not uncompressed. Just high bitrate AFAIK.
But yes use FXAA seemed pretty obvious to me.
Don't know about TMAA and I'm an AA whore. Unless it's just temporal AA.
The Antitype
Banned
Impressive.
Two passes of AA, 1080p, AND 60fps (or close to...wish it were locked).
Guerilla Games may not make the best games, but they always find a way to make ludicrously pretty games.
Two passes of AA, 1080p, AND 60fps (or close to...wish it were locked).
Guerilla Games may not make the best games, but they always find a way to make ludicrously pretty games.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
Ugh FXAA. Will we ever be rid of that crap?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I knew there was something else going on there that's not just plain FXAA.
It's similar if not the same as SMAA. Probably stands for temporal multisample aa.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
What did the last God of War use, again? that one seemed quite nice in the screens I saw.
It's the in house AA created by Sony ATG.
MLAA. Quite well suited for the Cell but I don't think we'll be seeing it again.
Sorry sir think you need someone will much more knowledge on the subject to explain
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Explains the soft look in the recently posted video. I hope it looks better played on my TV.
MLAA. I'm thinking TMAA is some kind of multilinear AA like MLAA and SMAA with a temporal element.
Agreed. I really hate how it makes games so blurry.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
If they could eliminate texture blurring completely, the kind of solution they have here would be uniformly far better. Coverage that this combination gives is far better than MLAA could do.
SolidSnakex
Member
Two types of AA? GT5 actually did it in its 1080p mode. It used QAA and TAA. But they let you disable TAA if you wanted since some people say it causes the image to look blurry.
In modern CryEngine or Frostbite games you have the option.
Though technically in CryEngine it's only one setting, but the implementation of the setting itself is multiple forms of anti-aliasing.
GameSeeker
Member
Someone needs to teach this AA technique to DICE, Infinity Ward, etc.
The 3rd party PS4 games still are using poor AA techniques.
The 3rd party PS4 games still are using poor AA techniques.
Goldrusher
Member
8 GB worth of textures.
FXAA to ruin everything.
FXAA to ruin everything.
Im using it in Tomb Raider on PC. Looks better in 1080p and costs nothing.
GT5 did both at the same time? Didn't know that.
:lol
This is sadly true, unless they keep the FXAA to a minimum, then it may look good.
The only drawback with QxAA is it also blurs textures, but it was perfect for Killzone 2 honestly, and we've seen some pretty nasty results from both MLAA and FXAA here and there, they really should have stuck with the Killzone 2 method,.
SniperHunter
Banned
yeah the recent sp trailer looked a lot more cleaner compared to the feb demo
It's gonna get even more better in two or three years once they further take advantage of the hardware.
Yeah was hoping next gen would be the end of ugly blur filters and aliasing.
Always-honest
Banned
Great. MP looked pretty clean in motion. Can't wait to see the SP.
I also hope they release mor info about this TMAA soon. I guess a lot of Sony first party games will use it.
I also hope they release mor info about this TMAA soon. I guess a lot of Sony first party games will use it.
Terbinator
Member
And yet the guy from GG said MSAA didn't make the cut due to cost/IQ trade-off and went with FXAA - much like DICE. Neither solution is ideal.
What i don't get is why console games don't use SMAA. It doesn't cost much more, if at all.
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Forza Horizon is 4xMSAA + FXAA on console, albeit @ a solid 30FPS.
SwiftDeath
Member
I feel like I should get anti-aliasing for dummies...
You need glasses. Go and watch the high bitrate footage.
It's absolutely nothing even resembling the word "blurry".
GameSeeker
Member
You are confusing KZ:SF's Motion Blur, which is intentional, with their AA technique.
KZ:SF's AA is the best you will see on any next-gen game at launch.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
This is basically SMAA, or rather their take on it. It really does look better than FXAA alone, and combined with higher resolution does have a noticeable leg up on BF4 on PS4, or really any other big budget console game.
MSAA with deferred rendering engine takes a huge hit as far as I know.
Terbinator
Member
Maybe, but 1080p + [some implementations of] FXAA still looks terrible and i say this as a PC gamer who has tried FXAA @ 1440p and i can't stand it.
I look forward to DF's grabs, though.