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Oklahoma Trooper's Advice: If you don't want to get raped by cops then follow the law

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Gattsu25

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An Oklahoma Highway Patrol official reportedly told women that the best way not to get raped by an officer was to “follow the law.”

In recent months, an Oklahoma Highway Patrol officer and an Oklahoma City Police officer have been accused of repeatedly raping women, often during traffic stops.

After a Tulsa County sheriff’s deputy was arrested last week for sexually assaulting a woman while responding to a 911 call, Tulsa NBC News affiliate KJRH decided to ask the Oklahoma Highway Patrol how to stay safe during a traffic stop.

The department noted that troopers should always be in uniform, and that women were allowed to keep their car door locked, and to speak with officers through a cracked window. A trooper should rarely ask a person to come back to the patrol car, OHP advised.

“There are certain situations where we do that,” Capt. George Brown told KJRH. “If someone doesn’t have a driver’s license on their person. We asked for an ID or driver’s licence, if they can’t provide it, rather than stand outside the car writing [a ticket], which puts us in a bad location, we may ask a female back to the car so we can get her information.”

The KJRH anchor said that Brown concluded with this advice: “The captain says anything that happens inside a troopers car is videotaped, and he says that supervisors do review those tapes.”

More at the source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/...ot-to-get-raped-by-cops-is-to-follow-the-law/

I'm sure cops will not have a problem with someone telling them "no" after they ask/demand that the person step outside of their car. Let's not ignore the inane and insulting insinuation that woman should play a role in preventing themselves from getting raped by troopers.
 

devilhawk

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While the allegations of sexual assault need to be investigated and dealt with, the quote and headline are from an anchor paraphrasing and not a direct quote.
 

Volimar

Member
While the allegations of sexual assault need to be investigated and dealt with, the quote and headline are from an anchor paraphrasing and not a direct quote.

Yep. If it were me, I'd refuse to get out of the car for a single officer, and ask for another officer to be present for her safety.
 

Veitsev

Member
No quote was given with the trooper actually saying they should just "follow the law' if they don't want to be raped. This was said by the anchor

The trooper was asked how women should keep themselves safe during a traffic stop.

He tells them that

- Policeman should always be in uniform (Don't trust someone not in uniform)
- You are allowed to keep your door locked with the window cracked

He then explains under what conditions a trooper would require someone to come back to a vehicle and that it should be rare. Also what happens in a vehicle is under surveillance.

Look I understand GAF is on a anti-cop kick right now for entirely justifiable reasons but what the officer said and the headline/anchor said don't match up. Article is very misleading and sensational.
 

benjipwns

Banned
An Oklahoma City cop was arrested for forcing eight different women to have sex with him. The officer, 27-year-old Daniel Holtzclaw, allegedly told his victims that he would arrest them if they did not engage in various sexual acts with him.

The Detroit Free Press—which covered the case because Holtzclaw is a former Eastern Michigan University football player—reports:

Officer Daniel Holtzclaw, 27, was charged with two counts of first-degree rape, four counts of sexual battery, four counts of forcible oral sodomy, four counts of indecent exposure, one count of first-degree burglary and one count of stalking.

Holtzclaw — a former Eastern Michigan University football player — is accused of raping at least two women while on duty and forcing four to perform oral sex, in addition to fondling the women and forcing them to expose themselves.

Holtzclaw reportedly forced women to expose themselves, fondled the women, forced four of them to perform oral sex on him and had intercourse with at least two of the women, court records show.

The Free Press notes that all of Holtzclaw's victims were black, which means the U.S. Department of Justice could investigate the case as a civil rights matter.
Oklahoma law enforcement seems to have something of a sexual assault problem. On Tuesday, Tulsa County Deputy Gerald Nuckolls, 26, was arrested amid accusations that he sexually assaulted two women while on duty. Though Nuckolls hasn't been formally charged yet, authorities say he admitted to coercing some six other women into sexual acts.

On Monday, the Oklahoma Highway Patrol arrested state trooper Eric Roberts, 42, on complaints that he kidnapped and sexually assaulted three women while on duty. The department began investigating Roberts in July after a woman reported being pulled over by Roberts and then raped.

And in August, Oklahoma City officer Daniel Ken Holtzclaw, 27, was charged with raping or sexually abusing seven people. The alleged victims, all black women, say Holtzlcaw forced them to expose themselves, perform oral sex on him, or have intercourse with him in order to avoid arrest.

So what's going on with Oklahoma police culture? Sadly, nothing that's not happening all around the country. "In any given month, there are multiple reports of on-duty cops raping women," Nicole Flatow at Think Progress notes. For example, let's take a look at March, 2014:

• Baltimore officer Martez Johnson was charged with raping a woman he drove home from the scene of a car accident; his trial started this month.
• San Jose police officer Geoffrey Graves was charged with raping a hotel maid after she called 911 to report being assault by her husband; a preliminary hearing is set for October 1.
• In North Port, Florida, officer Michelle Turner was charged with sexual battery after an alleged victim claimed Turner and her partner (who committed suicide in March) handcuffed and assaulted her at a party.
• Former Irwindale, California, police officer David Paul Fraijo was charged with kidnapping and sexually assaulting a woman after pulling her over for a traffic stop.
• Odessa, Texas, officer Salvador Becerra was arrested after three women came forward saying they were touched innapropriately by Becerra during traffic stops and another said he forced her to perform oral sex on him after finding an open container in her vehicle.
• Detroit officer Deon Nunlee was charged with sexually assaulting a woman after being called to her home to investigate a domestic violence incident in 2013.

This Florida one is better:
Two women are suing the city of Lauderhill, Florida and two police officers, Franklin Hartley and Thomas Merenda for an alleged rape for which the two cops, on unpaid administrative leave, are already facing criminal charges. They allege in their lawsuit that the police department "hires violent and dangerous individuals as police officers" and regularly fails to investigative complaints about cops.

What's being alleged, via The Sun Sentinel:

According to the lawsuit, the women had drinks at the Vegas Cabaret strip club on University Drive in Lauderhill and left when it closed at 4 a.m. Within minutes, Hartley pulled them over in a Taco Bell drive-through in Tamarac.

After taking the driver's vehicle registration and insurance documents, the lawsuit says Hartley ordered the women to follow him and led them to the back of a closed tire shop at 7300 West Commercial Blvd. Moments later, Merenda showed up in his patrol car.

Hartley took Jane Doe 1 to the front of his vehicle and under threat of arrest ordered her to perform oral sex and then raped her, the lawsuit says.

Merenda, according to the suit, remained with the driver at the rear of his vehicle and "engaged her in [bizarre] conversations about his family, wife and marital problems."

After the rape, the suit alleges that the officers swapped women and fondled their breasts and genitalia.

GPS data shows that both patrol cars remained at the location for more than 90 minutes, according to the suit.

According to the lawsuit, the two officers were the target of another suit in 2012 over an alleged false arrest which was settled for $75,000 and never led to any disciplinary actions. The lawsuit also lists four other cops lawyers accuse the department of not disciplining appropriately in their attempt to show the department's pattern of not holding officers accountable for their actions.

Hartley and Merenda face felony charges of unlawful compensation and a misdemeanor charge of battery—the officers are also accused in the criminal complaint of coercing one of the women to punch Merenda in the genitals, because apparently he liked nut punches.
 

benjipwns

Banned
This one is probably better than that though even though the cop supposedly didn't do any rape:
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/sep/05/cpd-probes-cops-texts-to-rape-victim/
Chattanooga police have placed an officer on administrative leave after a woman said he had an inappropriate relationship with her while he investigated her rape case.

A trail of text messages evidently exchanged between Officer Karl Fields and the woman, who under Times Free Press policy will not be identified in this story, appears to show that the pair had a sexual relationship between June and August, as Fields investigated her rape case. Copies of the text messages provided to the newspaper start with a discussion of evidence in her case, spiral into an apparent affair and stop days after her accused attacker was indicted on rape charges in Hamilton County Criminal Court.

"This is one of the most egregious instances of misconduct I have seen," said McCracken Poston, an attorney representing the woman. "The fact that a victim of a series of rapes and beatings has to deal with the added insult of the abuse from the detective on the rape case is outrageous."
KARL FIELDS — HISTORY OF ALLEGATIONS
2006: Fields crashes his personal car while off duty. He first tells investigators he was carjacked before eventually admitting he was intoxicated. He pleads guilty to DUI and receives a 14-day unpaid suspension from CPD.

2012: A defense attorney questions Fields' police work during a murder trial after audio files of interviews Fields conducted were lost somewhere between Fields and the evidence collection officer. Fields said he turned them over; the collection officer said he never got them.

2013: A defense attorney for a murder defendant accuses Fields of coaching a witness to lie about what she saw. The attorney claims Fields showed the witness a photo line-up and when she failed to identify the defendant as the suspect, he showed her another set of photos that were all of only the defendant.

2014: A defense attorney for a man charged with attempted murder says Fields and other investigators failed to test all the guns found at the crime scene for fingerprints and ballistics. The attorney argues that the charges against his client should therefore be dropped.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Okay just one more:
Two LAPD officers, Luis Valenzuela and James Nichols, are under investigation for reportedly using the threat of arrest to rape at least four women over the course of several years. Two of the women reported working for the officers as confidential informants, while one says she was detained for prostitution and another was allegedly stopped while she was simply out walking.

In a search warrant affidavit released yesterday, an LAPD Internal Affairs officer outlined the allegations against the officers.

According to the affidavit, the department was first made aware of the officers’ alleged behavior in January 2010 when a woman who worked as an informant for Valenzuela and Nichols reported being detained by the plain clothes officers while she was out walking; she was then forced to perform sex acts on one of the men. The investigation was eventually dropped.

A year later, another woman filed a complaint with LAPD supervisors, alleging that Valenzuela raped her under almost identical circumstances. While she was walking down the street in Hollywood, Valenzuela ordered her into his undercover police vehicle or be arrested. Once inside, Valenzuela allegedly told her, “If you don’t suck my dick, you’re going to jail.” He then “grabbed her by the back of her head and forced her to perform oral copulation on him,” while Nichols sat in the front seat.

A sex worker also came forward, following an anonymous complaint filed with the department that “unknown LAPD officers were exchanging sexual favors from prostitutes in lieu of arrest.” The woman claimed that Nichols raped her twice. Both times he detained and handcuffed her, drove to a secluded area, and pulled out his erect penis. At one point, Nichols allegedly asked the woman, “You don’t want to go to jail today, do you?”

Additionally, a second confidential informant who worked with Valenzuela and Nichols for over a year claimed that the men insisted on using sex as a bargaining tool as she worked off her arrest.

...

As the officers prepare for the hearing, Nichols' attorney claimed the women "have no credibility."

Oh, wait, I lied, I forgot about this one, which isn't technically rape?
incident [that] began January 2, 2013 after David Eckert finished shopping at the Wal-Mart in Deming. According to a federal lawsuit, Eckert didn't make a complete stop at a stop sign coming out of the parking lot and was immediately stopped by law enforcement.



Eckert's attorney, Shannon Kennedy, said in an interview with KOB that after law enforcement asked him to step out of the vehicle, he appeared to be clenching his buttocks. Law enforcement thought that was probable cause to suspect that Eckert was hiding narcotics in his anal cavity. While officers detained Eckert, they secured a search warrant from a judge that allowed for an anal cavity search.

The lawsuit claims that Deming Police tried taking Eckert to an emergency room in Deming, but a doctor there refused to perform the anal cavity search citing it was "unethical."

But physicians at the Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City agreed to perform the procedure and a few hours later, Eckert was admitted.

While there...

1. Eckert's abdominal area was x-rayed; no narcotics were found.

2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.

3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.

4. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.

5. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.

6. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.

7. Doctors then x-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found.

8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert's anus, rectum, colon, and large intestines. No narcotics were found.

Throughout this ordeal, Eckert protested and never gave doctors at the Gila Regional Medical Center consent to perform any of these medical procedures....

There are major concerns about the way the search warrant was carried out. Kennedy argues that the search warrant was overly broad and lacked probable cause. But beyond that, the warrant was only valid in Luna County, where Deming is located. The Gila Regional Medical Center is in Grant County. That means all of the medical procedures were performed illegally and the doctors who performed the procedures did so with no legal basis and no consent from the patient. ....

The warrant also had expired in time when the "medical procedures" were carried out. Eckert is suing the city of Deming and Deming Police Officers Bobby Orosco, Robert Chavez and Officer Hernandez, as well as three Hidalgo County Deputies and two doctors from the Gila Regional Medical Center.
 

devonodev

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Don't we have an OT for cops doing bad stuff, it seems Off Topic is just the place everyone goes to hate on cops lately.
 

Paskil

Member
Oh, wait, I lied, I forgot about this one, which isn't technically rape?

incident [that] began January 2, 2013 after David Eckert finished shopping at the Wal-Mart in Deming. According to a federal lawsuit, Eckert didn't make a complete stop at a stop sign coming out of the parking lot and was immediately stopped by law enforcement.



Eckert's attorney, Shannon Kennedy, said in an interview with KOB that after law enforcement asked him to step out of the vehicle, he appeared to be clenching his buttocks. Law enforcement thought that was probable cause to suspect that Eckert was hiding narcotics in his anal cavity. While officers detained Eckert, they secured a search warrant from a judge that allowed for an anal cavity search.

The lawsuit claims that Deming Police tried taking Eckert to an emergency room in Deming, but a doctor there refused to perform the anal cavity search citing it was "unethical."

But physicians at the Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City agreed to perform the procedure and a few hours later, Eckert was admitted.

While there...

1. Eckert's abdominal area was x-rayed; no narcotics were found.

2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.

3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.

4. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.

5. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.

6. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.

7. Doctors then x-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found.

8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert's anus, rectum, colon, and large intestines. No narcotics were found.

Throughout this ordeal, Eckert protested and never gave doctors at the Gila Regional Medical Center consent to perform any of these medical procedures....

There are major concerns about the way the search warrant was carried out. Kennedy argues that the search warrant was overly broad and lacked probable cause. But beyond that, the warrant was only valid in Luna County, where Deming is located. The Gila Regional Medical Center is in Grant County. That means all of the medical procedures were performed illegally and the doctors who performed the procedures did so with no legal basis and no consent from the patient. ....

The warrant also had expired in time when the "medical procedures" were carried out. Eckert is suing the city of Deming and Deming Police Officers Bobby Orosco, Robert Chavez and Officer Hernandez, as well as three Hidalgo County Deputies and two doctors from the Gila Regional Medical Center.

What. The. Fuck.
 
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Don't we have an OT for cops doing bad stuff, it seems Off Topic is just the place everyone goes to hate on cops lately.

Need a new forum rule, if you want to post a "Fuck the Police" thread, you also have to find a hopeful and uplifting police story to post along with it to remind the idiots that they do more good than bad.
 

abuC

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Don't we have an OT for cops doing bad stuff, it seems Off Topic is just the place everyone goes to hate on cops lately.


Oh no, the poor police! tell them to stop racially profiling me and killing unarmed black men and maybe I'd care about people speaking badly about them.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Why aren't there ever any stories posted on GAF when planes land safely? Or when Wall Street traders make big profits through legal and ethical means?
 
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Don't we have an OT for cops doing bad stuff, it seems Off Topic is just the place everyone goes to hate on cops lately.

Reading your post, I imagine people in a cocktail party-setting, joyously gathered in cop-bashing, tossing their heads back in laughter after every impeccably crafted cop joke. There's a spread of dishes, a suckling pig with a police officer's cap on. A dart board with Darren Wilson's photo attached. An ice sculpture of Rodney King. Everyone's having so much fun wallowing in their pure, baseless hate for police simply for the fun of it.
 

devonodev

Member
Not newsworthy, so not reported.

Also, it wouldn't allow idiots to rage about police on Gaf, so why make threads on it?
Oh but it does, there's been threads of police doing the right thing and most of the posts consist of "If he was black he would have been shot".
 

grandjedi6

Master of the Google Search
Oklahoma is still the only state where a trooper forced me out of the car and into his patrol car for questioning. He had no reason for it, he was just trying to divide and conquer among my friends. So stupid.
 

benjipwns

Banned
I got alot accomplished at work today. Someone should do an article of me doing my job.
Is your job one where you get special privileges and powers without responsibility or are you one of those lowly "civilians" that provide labor in exchange for money and have to follow all sorts of rules?
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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Don't we have an OT for cops doing bad stuff, it seems Off Topic is just the place everyone goes to hate on cops lately.

Yeah, I don't think a thread where a cop has confessed to six rapes (ON DUTY) and not been charged is the best place to make that point, bro.
 
Oh but it does, there's been threads of police doing the right thing and most of the posts consist of "If he was black he would have been shot".
So is it the cop threads, or the black thing? Did you read the thread I posted when replying to you prior? Is this just something you've been holding in? Shit, cops been fucking with me my whole life. Don't mean I can't recognise good ones..don't mean that erases the bad.
 

devonodev

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Is your job one where you get special privileges and powers without responsibility or are you one of those lowly "civilians" that provide labor in exchange for money and have to follow all sorts of rules?
Is your job one where you get special privileges and save lives on a daily basis, helping to arrest criminals and prevent innocent people from getting attacked, or are you one of those lowly "civilians" that provide labor in exchange for money and have to follow all sorts of rules?

I get that there's a lot of bad cops, but imagine if there were no police at all for just one day, what would happen. You can be angry at certain cops, but to claim that the large majority have no responsibility and follow no rules is not on.
 

Dead Man

Member
Just saw this. Fucking heinous shit.

Is your job one where you get special privileges and save lives on a daily basis, helping to arrest criminals and prevent innocent people from getting attacked, or are you one of those lowly "civilians" that provide labor in exchange for money and have to follow all sorts of rules?

I get that there's a lot of bad cops, but imagine if there were no police at all for just one day, what would happen. You can be angry at certain cops, but to claim that the large majority have no responsibility and follow no rules is not on.

Imagine if all the bent and violent cops weren't protected by their buddies in blue for one day. Just imagine it.

Edit: Tell you what. Get cops to stop murdering and raping, and there won't be any more threads on it. Problem solved!
 

Vestax

Banned
Hmm, and I thought cops had no problem getting consensual sex. Or am confusing them with Marines?

If true, these stories are very disturbing. So much for not living in a developing country.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I mean, you have that many people doing a job of course some of them are going to be rapists. It's just common sense. But the fact that the guy is walking free doesn't just speak volumes. It speaks libraries.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Is your job one where you get special privileges and save lives on a daily basis, helping to arrest criminals and prevent innocent people from getting attacked, or are you one of those lowly "civilians" that provide labor in exchange for money and have to follow all sorts of rules?

I get that there's a lot of bad cops, but imagine if there were no police at all for just one day, what would happen. You can be angry at certain cops, but to claim that the large majority have no responsibility and follow no rules is not on.
Police only arrest certain criminals, and they tend to usually be in the lowly "civilian" class for some reason...
 
What. The. Fuck.

Well that story ends one of two ways. Either the Judge awards him a massive settlement--or another round of enema's just to make sure there's no narcotics in there.

Oklahoma is still the only state where a trooper forced me out of the car and into his patrol car for questioning. He had no reason for it, he was just trying to divide and conquer among my friends. So stupid.

Pretty sure that's a violation of your rights. If he detained you then just ask for a lawyer and refuse to answer anything (unless you legitimately have nothing to hide) but if he just said you needed to go to his car you can basically tell him to fuck off unless he's charging you with a crime.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Well that story ends one of two ways. Either the Judge awards him a massive settlement--or another round of enema's just to make sure there's no narcotics in there.
It's been months since they last checked, I mean, who knows what he could have stuffed up there in the mean time?

Personally I think it's a little suspicious that he got two enemas and then still had stool to search through after the third. Guy might have a whole secret drugs only digestive tract.
 
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