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Chariot · Feb 18, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiGZZ3QDth4

I googled and searched for recent Angry Joe threads, but apparently nobody posted any. The interview is very interesting., both for Paradox fans and for fans of harsh, but fair interviews. Respect for Joe for once again not shying away from harsh questions and respect to Paradox for not running away from them.

Call me a pathological liar if old.

Alienous · Feb 18, 2015

Straight from the beginning he's going for the jugular.

"And hello, and welcome, everybody, so it's Angry Joe and I'm sitting with shams".

Brutal.

ãInaba Residentã · Feb 18, 2015

I love how brutal Joe is.
Gets right to the point and doesn't sugar coat it.

Fury451 · Feb 18, 2015

Is there a brief rundown of what they did? I've played some of their games, but didn't realize there was a controversy or anything with the company.

Will watch interview later. I enjoy Joe, but I have a feeling I'll have similar feelings about this as I did with RPS Peter interview.

Cosmonaut X · Feb 18, 2015

Will be interesting to contrast this with the recent RPS/Molyneux thread...

Welfare · Feb 18, 2015

Not even 5 minutes and it's brutal.

lol

josecitoxnyo · Feb 18, 2015

Saw this early in the morning, brillant interview. Seriously.

Kudos to Joe.

Corpekata · Feb 18, 2015

Fury451 said:
Is there a brief rundown of what they did? I've played some of their games, but didn't realize there was a controversy or anything with the company.

Will watch interview later. I enjoy Joe.

They haven't done anything big recently. Just launched some broken products like Sword of the Stars 2, which he asks them about. He gets them to admit they basically didn't play the game.

Or Magicka launching pretty buggy. They've been generally quite a bit better about stuff like that lately.

ultron87 · Feb 18, 2015

Alienous said:
Straight from the beginning he's going for the jugular.

"And hello, and welcome, everybody, so it's Angry Joe and I'm sitting with shams".

Brutal.

One of the Paradox guys is named Shams.

Dennis · Feb 18, 2015

Ah the new age of Molyneux-style interviews

Fragamemnon · Feb 18, 2015

Man, right into the Sword of the Stars 2 debacle two minutes into the interview. That was a big huge mess.

( FYI Kerberos did right for the players of the game, took them a long time to do so )

Chariot · Feb 18, 2015

Dennis said:
Ah the new age of Molyneux-style interviews

I like where this age is going.

Derp · Feb 18, 2015

Joe always asking the right questions.

We need more people to interview like him. More brutality please, people!

jesu · Feb 18, 2015

Alienous said:
Straight from the beginning he's going for the jugular.

"And hello, and welcome, everybody, so it's Angry Joe and I'm sitting with shams".

Brutal.

That's his name.

Brutal.

Forkball · Feb 18, 2015

7 minutes in and he mentions Metacritic.

Sad.

Pathetic.

I am experiencing pathos.

Fury451 · Feb 18, 2015

Corpekata said:
They haven't done anything big recently. Just launched some broken products like Sword of the Stars 2, which he asks them about. He gets them to admit they basically didn't play the game.

Or Magicka launching pretty buggy.

Ah, gotcha, thanks. I like Magicka but it crashed on me constantly when it came out, and I didn't touch it for a long long time.

Didn't realize they were the Sword of the Stars 2 guys- heard about that one being a mess.

Well I appreciate voices like his asking these questions and advocating. I don't know if it's different watching than reading a transcript where you can't tell inflection or emotion, but the first few minutes here seem tough but not unprofessional so far- the RPS interview may have seemed worse than it was because it was just text.

S1kkZ · Feb 18, 2015

Dennis said:
Ah the new age of Molyneux-style interviews

i hope randy pitchford is next.

kiguel182 · Feb 18, 2015

Is this a new thing where media is interviewing devs like they are politicians and shit?

I guess the good part of this is that devs have a chance to explain why games are buggy sometimes or why bad things happen but it's just a bad mentality with "grilling" devs and having "journalists" that know very little of game dev talking like they are owned something and that they know what's happening.

epmode · Feb 18, 2015

Paradox was pretty shady for a while but they've turned around in the last few years. Can't say the same about Molyneux.

Orayn · Feb 18, 2015

Dennis said:
Ah the new age of Molyneux-style interviews

Nothing ever really changes.

SeanTSC · Feb 18, 2015

S1kkZ said:
i hope randy pitchford is next.

So, Randy, why aren't you in jail for stealing millions of dollars from Sega that was supposed to go to Aliens: Colonial Marines to make your own game, Borderlands 2, instead?

rhandino · Feb 18, 2015

I cannoT at this kinds of interviews.

But I kind of have morbid curiosity about what would happen if they try to interview someone from Acti/Ubi/EA.

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Edit: Oops! I forgot about this. Kii

Orayn said:
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Gintoki · Feb 18, 2015

Damn, the CEO admitted to knowing their game was broken before they put it up for sale (Sword of the Stars II)

Chariot · Feb 18, 2015

kiguel182 said:
Is this a new thing where media is interviewing devs like they are politicians and shit?

I guess the good part of this is that devs have a chance to explain why games are buggy sometimes or why bad things happen but it's just a bad mentality with "grilling" devs and having "journalists" that know very little of game dev talking like they are owned something and that they know what's happening.

It's apparently new in gaming journalism and much appreciated. Of course devs shouldn't be destroyed just for the sake of it. But if they fuck up they should be properly questioned and not patted on the hand. Joe already did good with punching important answers about the Xbox One out of Major Nelson and in the case of Paradox they admitted that they fucked up. Just watch the interview, it's very interesting.

shuri · Feb 18, 2015

Do you think this Angry Joe guy would do the same to the people behind Halo:MCC or anyone from Ubisoft?

Joey Ravn · Feb 18, 2015

Alienous said:
Straight from the beginning he's going for the jugular.

"And hello, and welcome, everybody, so it's Angry Joe and I'm sitting with shams".

Brutal.

Can't tell if serious?

……forgetit · Feb 18, 2015

Orayn said:
Nothing ever really changes.

Joe's interviews have always been like this.

Fury451 · Feb 18, 2015

SeanTSC said:
So, Randy, why aren't you in jail for stealing millions of dollars from Sega that was supposed to go to Aliens: Colonial Marines to make Borderlands 2 instead?

It's amazing to watch the high-stakes pass the buck game that gets played with Aliens: CM

He deserves to face the hard questions for that, and this is coming from a huge Gearbox fan. Brothers in Arms and Borderlands are fantastic franchises, which I feel are a bit tainted now by shifty actions.

shuri said:
Do you think this Angry Joe guy would do the same to the people behind Halo:MCC or anyone from Ubisoft?

Given the chance? Without a doubt he would, yeah.

Chariot · Feb 18, 2015

shuri said:
Do you think this Angry Joe guy would do the same to the people behind Halo:MCC or anyone from Ubisoft?

For sure if he would get the chance. He didn't shy away from cornering Major Nelson about the Xbox One.

Welfare · Feb 18, 2015

shuri said:
Do you think this Angry Joe guy would do the same to the people behind Halo:MCC or anyone from Ubisoft?

Lol hell yeah.

He'd probably be even harsher in those cases.

The Broken Ska Record · Feb 18, 2015

kiguel182 said:
Is this a new thing where media is interviewing devs like they are politicians and shit?

I guess the good part of this is that devs have a chance to explain why games are buggy sometimes or why bad things happen but it's just a bad mentality with "grilling" devs and having "journalists" that know very little of game dev talking like they are owned something and that they know what's happening.

Or holding devs accountable for the things they do? And that "they don't know game Dev" is a stupid excuse. Does that abstain a game from criticism if the critic doesn't actually develop? No.

……forgetit · Feb 18, 2015

shuri said:
Do you think this Angry Joe guy would do the same to the people behind Halo:MCC or anyone from Ubisoft?

It's Joe, he does this almost every time he gets an interview. The guy goes for blood.

rhandino · Feb 18, 2015

Spork4000 said:
Joe's interviews have always been like this.

And they usually explode in his face.

Don't remember if it was the one with Keighley or the other one in which someone took the microphone from his hands?

Crimsonsky · Feb 18, 2015

Kudos to Joe, all interviews should be lead with the all-important question: "Are you a pathological liar?" It really gets at the heart of things and let's you know if sitting with this guy(s) is a waste of time.

Neuromancer · Feb 18, 2015

Watching now and you can tell right away that even though Joe is asking hard questions, he still has respect for the developers and is conducting himself professionally.

shuri said:
Do you think this Angry Joe guy would do the same to the people behind Halo:MCC or anyone from Ubisoft?

Absolutely. The difference is the people behind MCC and from Ubi would never let him get close enough to ask those questions. Source: Angry Joe grilling Major Nelson at E3 2013

Chariot · Feb 18, 2015

The Broken Ska Record said:
Or holding devs accountable for the things they do? And that "they don't know game Dev" is a stupid excuse. Does that abstain a game from criticism if the critic doesn't actually develop? No.

rhandino said:
And they usually explodes in his face.

Don't remmember if it was the one with Keighley or the other one in which someone took the microphone from his hands?

Major Nelson. And that interview was very healthy for the Xbox One.

fwpx · Feb 18, 2015

rhandino said:
And they usually explodes in his face.

Don't remmember if it was the one with Keighley or the other one in which someone took the microphone from his hands?

That was Major Nelson.

rhandino · Feb 18, 2015

Chariot said:
Major Nelson. And that interview was very healthy for the Xbox One.

fwpx said:
That was Major Nelson.

O yeah, thanks... was looking for that gif.

……forgetit · Feb 18, 2015

rhandino said:
And they usually explodes in his face.

Don't remmember if it was the one with Keighley or the other one in which someone took the microphone from his hands?

I think that was Major Nelson. They're apparently cool now, but yeah it blows up on him at times.

marrec · Feb 18, 2015

Paradox have been one of my favorite developers of the last half-decade and it's cool to see that they don't shy away from the few tough questions that they've generated in that time.

Now someone do Ubisoft.

kiguel182 · Feb 18, 2015

Chariot said:
It's apparently new in gaming journalism and much appreciated. Of course devs shouldn't be destroyed just for the sake of it. But if they fuck up they should be properly questioned and not patted on the hand. Joe already did good with punching important answers about the Xbox One out of Major Nelson and in the case of Paradox they admitted that they fucked up. Just watch the interview, it's very interesting.

I'm watching it and I don't agree with that mentality. I didn't agree when it came to Molyneux and I don't agree with that in general.

Major Nelson isn't a dev, I'm not talking about that.

If devs fuck up you should be entitled to a refund not a public trial. They shouldn't be treated like politicians because they are just selling you a product that you either buy or not. You are entirely free to spend your money with them and it isn't hard to find if a game is broken post-launch.

"Journalists" that don't know much about game dev "grilling" the people that put a ton of work in a product is really not interesting for me. Media should be better at covering the final product and helping people decide if they should buy it or not. And, if the product is broken, are of course entitled to a refund.

Chariot · Feb 18, 2015

Spork4000 said:
I think that was Major Nelson. They're apparently cool now, but yeah it blows up on him at times.

But that Major Nelson thing didn't blew in his face. The interview was ended by PR, btu we all know that the 24 hours check-in was removed within days of the interview despite what Major Nelson stated.

kiguel182 said:
I'm watching it and I don't agree with that mentality. I didn't agree when it came to Molyneux and I don't agree with that in general.

Major Nelson isn't a dev, I'm not talking about that.

If devs fuck up you should be entitled to a refund not a public trial. They shouldn't be treated like politicians because they are just selling you a product that you either buy or not. You are entirely free to spend your money with them and it isn't hard to find if a game is broken post-launch.

"Journalists" that don't know much about game dev "grilling" the people that put a ton of work in a product is really not interesting for me. Media should be better at covering the final product and helping people decide if they should buy it or not. And, if the product is broken, are of course entitled to a refund.

Patting the devs constantly on the head leads to shit like the Assassins Creed Unity launch. Critical interviews should be mandatory in the game industry to help and protect consumers.

Fury451 · Feb 18, 2015

The Broken Ska Record said:
Or holding devs accountable for the things they do? And that "they don't know game Dev" is a stupid excuse. Does that abstain a game from criticism if the critic doesn't actually develop? No.

It's definitely accountability, and it's needed. Especially with the "rockstar" developers and smaller studios- keeping them accountable may help turn out really fantastic products ultimately.

Not knowing game development is the equivalent of "I'd like to see you make a better game." I can't. That's not my job. I'm not a game developer so I'm not supposed to be competent at it.

I'd love to see an interview with early 2000s John Romero in this style about Daikatana and misuse of resources and time.

kiguel182 · Feb 18, 2015

The Broken Ska Record said:
Or holding devs accountable for the things they do? And that "they don't know game Dev" is a stupid excuse. Does that abstain a game from criticism if the critic doesn't actually develop? No.

It should abstain you from criticising how game dev works. How can you criticise something you don't know nothing about?

Buzzman · Feb 18, 2015

kiguel182 said:
"Journalists" that don't know much about game dev "grilling" the people that put a ton of work in a product is really not interesting for me. Media should be better at covering the final product and helping people decide if they should buy it or not. And, if the product is broken, are of course entitled to a refund.

And how often does that happen?

Fragamemnon · Feb 18, 2015

Gintoki said:
Damn, the CEO admitted to knowing their game was broken before they put it up for sale (Sword of the Stars II)

In their defense, they were publishing it for Kerberos (the developer) and hadn't had an issue w/ SOTS I or its sequence of expansion packs. A lot of the flat out broken wasn't immediately noticeable unless you actually got in and started diving into the game's systems, and it's not like SOTS is something a layman can just boot up and grok. It's a 4X series that scares off players of 4x games due to its complexity and focus.

(Also Kerberos would really love to have a take-back on that one. Was a bad situation all around.)

R_thanatos · Feb 18, 2015

Well that's good to get people to admit that they have made mistakes.

And the CEO itself admit that they've learned for those mistakes for later products.

Corpekata · Feb 18, 2015

kiguel182 said:
It should abstain you from criticising how game dev works. How can you criticise something you don't know nothing about?

I don't know much about movie production. Does that mean I can't tell Clint Eastwood it was a mistake to use an obviously fake baby doll in a key scene in American Sniper?

TheLegendOfMart · Feb 18, 2015

I don't get NeoGaf. That RPS thread was "omg that was brutal and unnecessary" and when someone they like takes the same tone they are all "omg that was amazing".

Neuromancer · Feb 18, 2015

Corpekata said:
I don't know much about movie production. Does that mean I can't tell Clint Eastwood it was a mistake to use an obviously fake baby doll in a key scene in American Sniper?

In that case you're criticizing the end product.

TheLegendOfMart said:
I don't get NeoGaf. That RPS thread was "omg that was brutal and unnecessary" and when someone they like takes the same tone they are all "omg that was amazing".

Same tone? Did we watch the same interview?

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