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[Perfect Blue]

Shit Santorum says.

LOLLLLL some of these, wow.

 

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[PlayALLtheGames]

You are wrong about the majority of evangelical Christians if you think their position mirrors that of WBC.

I wasn't making that connection. I was assuming the average evangelical.

 

[Ri'Orius]

Seems like a lot of people think that speech they like should be protected, speech they don't shouldn't.

Sure, comparing "God hates fags" to "Congratulations" is extreme, but "We do not support gay marriage" and "Support Gay Marriage" are pretty damn similar.

Yet the outrage I've seen has been against the caller in the first case and the bakery in the second. There is some definite hypocrisy going on that deserves to be called out.

 

[BertramCooper]

He just wanted an opportunity to say the word "fags" in public.

 

[Escape Goat]

He just wanted an opportunity to say the word "fags" in public.

I'm sure he has chance to say it a lot in public.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Seems like a lot of people think that speech they like should be protected, speech they don't shouldn't.

Sure, comparing "God hates fags" to "Congratulations" is extreme, but "We do not support gay marriage" and "Support Gay Marriage" are pretty damn similar.

Yet the outrage I've seen has been against the caller in the first case and the bakery in the second. There is some definite hypocrisy going on that deserves to be called out.

Its not the issue. The issue is that these companies are trying to be discriminatory not in the services they offer, but in the people they offer the services to. People just want it to be equal. If you are in the business of making signs that say "God Hates Fags", make them for anyone who asks for one. If you are in the business of making wedding cakes, make them for anyone who asks for one. It's not hypocrisy.

 

[RyanDG]

Let's buy into his argument for a moment and take a ride down Rick Santorum's slippery slope.

Let's first pretend that the federal government establishes a law that requires a print shop owner to print the material of anyone who comes into the shop unless it is pornographic in nature (which won't happen - but let's play pretend).

This gay print shop owner then is forced to print the material from the Westboro church that states 'God Hates Fag'.

How does the Indiana law even affect this, considering the Indiana law allows people to 'opt out' essentially on deeply held religious convictions? It seems that the gay print shop owner would still be forced to print the material even with a law like the Indiana law on the books.

 

[Siegcram]

Let's buy into his argument for a moment and take a ride down Rick Santorum's slippery slope.

Let's first pretend that the federal government establishes a law that requires a print shop owner to print the material of anyone who comes into the shop unless it is pornographic in nature (which won't happen - but let's play pretend).

This gay print shop owner then is forced to print the material from the Westboro church that states 'God Hates Fag'.

How does the Indiana law even affect this, considering the Indiana law allows people to 'opt out' essentially on deeply held religious convictions? It seems that the gay print shop owner would still be forced to print the material even with a law like the Indiana law on the books.

All gays are members of the Pink Church of Unicorn Rainbow, where they take a communion of gay wedding cake and cosmopolitans every week and are sent into the world to undermine American values in general and traditional marriage in particular.

They also serve as recruitment centers for the gay mafia.

 

[Kettch]

But if you believe gay marriage is an evil thing? I dunno I think his analogy is solid.

Again he's wrong I just don't think the current counterarguments are good.

Even if you think gay marriage is an evil thing, it has no effect at all on you. They aren't telling you to be gay.

A "God hates fags" sign is very clearly attacking gay people.

For the analogy to fit, he would have to show how a gay marriage actually harms or attacks him. I can understand his thought process, because these people do actually think gay marriages harm them, but they'll never be able to put forth a legitimate argument for it. One of the reasons why gay marriage has spread so quickly is because every attempt in court to argue that it harms opponents has been laughable.

 

[Hale-XF11]

What a pile of santorum.

 

[Team Alucard]

Republican debates gonna be must watch TV.

It ain't gonna be the same without Herman Cain. =(

 

[mj1108]

I wonder what Regan Era GOPers think of the new school?

Those people are now considered to be Democrats.

 

[ttimebomb]

Even if you think gay marriage is an evil thing, it has no effect at all on you. They aren't telling you to be gay.

A "God hates fags" sign is very clearly attacking gay people.

For the analogy to fit, he would have to show how a gay marriage actually harms or attacks him. I can understand his thought process, because these people do actually think gay marriages harm them, but they'll never be able to put forth a legitimate argument for it. One of the reasons why gay marriage has spread so quickly is because every attempt in court to argue that it harms opponents has been laughable.

Thanks. Good points.

 

[HylianTom]

Thank you, Rick! Thank you so much!

We need moments like this to keep popping-up over the next 18 months, if only to reinforce to persuadeable voters the idea that the modern GOP is batshit insane. If we're still talking about this type of cultural issue in October next year? *mua-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha..*

 

[Conkersbadfurday]

I love how the phrase "God hates fags" and "tolerance" are used in the same speech without a lick if irony.

 

[crisdecuba]

You can refuse service on any grounds so long as the grounds is that they aren't being refused for being a member of a protected class.

Technically, you can refuse to serve someone for being gay or for just being ugly or because you don't like the color of their shirt.
None of those things are protected (at least under federal law.)

The gay civil rights movement is about giving their sexuality the same protected status as a person's skin, religion, or ethnic background.

Much like a Christian baker should be allowed to deny an Atheist customer who wants a cake that says "Fuck Jesus", a gay person should be allowed to deny a Westboro Baptist Church member for making a "Die Fag Die" Cake.

I could see a Christian Baker not wanting to write a message on a cake that says, "We Support Gay Marriage!". But simply baking a cake that says "Congratulations" is not the same thing. At that point, you're just denying service to them based upon their sexuality. And yes right now that's legal. But the LGBT community is arguing that should.

Excellent explanation.

 

[Enzom21]

He also said he didn't want to keep giving black people free stuff.

It says a lot about the Republican party when they continue to support a piece of shit like Santorum.

 

[Dryk]

Yes, refusing to make a sign that says "God hates fags" is the exact same thing as refusing to make any sign for a gay couple. Exact. Same. Thing.

 

[not psycho]

Sure, comparing "God hates fags" to "Congratulations" is extreme, but "We do not support gay marriage" and "Support Gay Marriage" are pretty damn similar.

Yet the outrage I've seen has been against the caller in the first case and the bakery in the second. There is some definite hypocrisy going on that deserves to be called out.

You are conflating beliefs with law.

As a matter of belief, I think "we do not support gay marriage" is a bad message, and "support gay marriage" is a good message. You can think it is a sin all you want, but opposing legal gay marriage is opposing equality. There is no hypocrisy in calling out the first guy for his bad message, while not being bothered by the good message.

As a matter of law, I don't think people in the US should be required to write either slogan on a cake. No hypocrisy there either. But since we're talking about law now, we need to add that the second cake is in Northern Ireland. It has nothing to do with US law.

 

[Razmos]

All gays are members of the Pink Church of Unicorn Rainbow, where they take a communion of gay wedding cake and cosmopolitans every week and are sent into the world to undermine American values in general and traditional marriage in particular.

They also serve as recruitment centers for the gay mafia.

Can confirm, looking forward to this weeks sermon focused entirely on Zac Efron's abs.

 

[Lonewolf_92]

I don't get it. He makes a good argument, doesn't he? Gay owner of a shop would want to refuse service to one who is printing material that antagonizes him. Not that I agree with him.

If I owned a shop like this I'd print whatever for whoever is willing to pay and not let it affect my conscience.

Think of it this way, there's a difference between a black print shop owner not wanting to print anti-black signs for a Klansman, and a Klansman print shop owner not wanting to print a yard sale sign for a black person is there not? Because one is promoting hate speech and the other is just because of the race of the person asking, right?

 

[digitalrelic]

What a disgusting human being.

 

[Monocle]

I can't respect anyone who supports such a toxic person.

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Holy shit, American politics will constantly baffle me.

Bro, I'm American and even I don't know What The Hell is up with the Republican party anymore. They've straight up jumped off the Christian Identity/Christian Apologetics deep end. I really wish more Democrats had the balls to call them out for the craziness they spew, instead of treating it like the positions they hold are equal to rational intelligent ones.

 

[Banana Aeon]

Yes, Mr. Santorum. This is how you get people behind your cause. By citing the most hated sector of your beloved religion, the radicals.

 

[HammerOfThor]

I wonder how proud he was of such a dumb statement when he thought of it.