IMO they are continuing the same plan (msft).Unless Sony/nintendo are no longer constrained by hardware (aka 600 usd max for 2-3 x performance next gen after s2/ps6) and thermals via console environmental protection laws (EU).
They moved to external after the problems they had with the OG xbox ac input connector detaching from motherboard and causing fires.....
lol so the PS6S will cheaper than handheld ? The handheld it self is 0.5x the PS5. So PS6S will not even be on par with the PS5 and definitely worse than the Pro
I think they switched up the entire management team to ensure no hiccups in their plan. We have the leaked actbliz docs that point to convergence between Xbox & pc. That's half the plan and the valid crash out of Jim Ryan aka gaas push.
Why dont you quote a single PS fan on this thread that thinks this is a good idea, if it actually comes to pass? We all think its retarded. But do keep pounding away at your strawman....
I think it's a great idea.
He said PS fan.
Yes clearly a PS fan lol get real Senjutsu.
Games will be able to run on switch 2 and on PCs even less capable regardless of how powerful a PS6 is, or whether a cut down version exists. Developers are not being held back by hardware anymore. They are limited by reality of time and budgets, and quite frankly their own competence. Show me the developer right now who is crying over not being able to get their game out because the PS5 is not strong enough to support their grand vision.
Not really. As long as they're not losing money. MS isn't looking for hardware profits, or they wouldn't be allowing OEMs to build and profit off the devices. What MS wants is a thriving hardware ecosystem with various form factors but built mostly by OEMs.
I am a PS fan, everyone I know has Playstations, I used to have a PS2 with OG GOW when little.He said PS fan.
You keep repeating senjutsu thing, let's put an end to your paranoia. I don't have a Xitter account, never will. Only "social media" I have is reddit, you are welcome to come stalk me on it, like the GHG guy.
Don't read too much into all that. Sony has always kinda gone with more of a hybrid approach to their AMD tech implementation, while MS tends to go for more of an off-the-shelf approach.
Both have "Neural Arrays", that's just a feature of RDNA5.
MS has 0 customization on the GPU side this time.
That's not hardware that's middleware
"FSR Diamond" is just the codename for the FSR 5 family of upscaling/framegen/denoising transformer ML models built for RDNA5. PSSR3 will be the same thing with a different name
So that means that in addition to neural arrays on the CUs helix also has a separate NPU? I was of the impression that they removed the neural arrays in favor of the NPU.
Based on what you have pointed out, then it really does mean MS made absolutely no modifications this time around. In fact, they probably just carried over the NPU from the CPU side of AMD chips, too, not bothering to take that out.
NPU is just ~100 TOPs for Copilot stuff
Is it really? I mean, there are quite a few Ryzen AI CPUs out there. Like the Zen 5 Ryzen AI 395 (or something)... for all we know magnus CPU is just a next-gen Zen 6 variant of an as-yet-unannounced CPU chip.
Yh yh swapping out ddr phy for GDDR phy isn't what I would call... customizing though.
CoPilot.....
3000?! I remember you mentioning 1200 for the PS6. Is the ML gap that wide or have your estimates changed? Or was the PS6 number without sparsity ie 4x PS5 pro? That would exactly translate to 25% delta for Helix on the ML side as well.
I think that number may be with sparsity. So ~1500 without it or 5x ps5 pro.
10 times the PS5 Pro?
We need Carmack back.
But it's not the same kind of chip. One (Xbox) is a chiplet and the other is a SoC. That's why Xbox is so much bigger. Apparently aside from being more modular chiplets have better yields than SoC, a thing which Xbox has been struggling with in this generation.
Indeed, this must be taken into account. It follows from this that there is no reliable data yet regarding the actual performance of the two consoles.
PS4 Pro and PS5 (don't know about PS5 Pro) have ID buffer hardware. Something not found in any other known GPUs AFAIK. It can be useful in CBR upscaling, temporal AA but not only.
Different formats.
The NPU can't possibly have lower latency if being used in any way for doing anything that has to do with graphic rendering. Like that's physically impossible, especially when comparing it to neural arrays that are inline or integrated within a GPU compute unit.
Nope... you can't just look at two chips, both on the same process node and assume that the physical percentage size difference between them is equivalent to the measurable transistor count or even worse a performance delta. Eg... Helix has a whole NPU that the PS6 doesn't even have at all. And that NPU can take up as much as 50mm2 on the die.
Do you think they might leverage 4-bit to make those numbers relevant? So far it seems to be used only for generative AI due to the low precision
I shared these photos before but I always thought this is how the PS6 reaches 5090 performance, not with brute force but with AI through a new Neural Rendering Pipeline.
The only real knock is when the power supply is a wall wart like the old 8/16 bit systems. (Which makes it hard to plug multiple things in.) But a external power supply with a mid-brick design. I'd prefer more systems to be designed that way.
Gen AI has a lot of potential uses in gaming runtimes.
I mean - this is all well and good but Jensen already played the 5060 is faster than 4090 card. And not what people discuss here really.
Agreed. I was thinking more along the lines of boosting existing non-generative neural rendering. There has been speculation about future ray reconstruction using FP4 and one of the reasons Nvidia is holding back on RR for DLSS 4.5. Would be a nice 2x boost if they can pull it off with 60 series and AMD follows up with their version.
Are you really comparing Jensen marketing to Mark Cerny tech talk?
