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Considering trading Switch for ROG Xbox ally (white one)

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I have a chance to trade my switch 2 for that device and I might consider it. I haven't touched my switch 2 and like the switch, I wish I could get into using it but I just… don't? Games are pricey and waiting for sales just takes too long.

Idk if I'm making a bad choice or not. It feels like I'm making the right one. Is the pc device worth it?
 
If you're gonna trade your Switch 2, get an OLED Steam Deck. Or better yet, wait for the Steam Deck 2.
 
Switch 2 is for Nintendo games, keep it when you wanna play their IPs. Zelda OOT Remake is rumoured and Monolith is cooking something. I value these IPs a ton and wouldn't trade. When you like mobile PC games, sure why not.
 
Dacvak said:
If you're gonna trade your Switch 2, get an OLED Steam Deck. Or better yet, wait for the Steam Deck 2.
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This. Consider holding out for a Deck unless you are clear eyed about what awaits you on a Windows handheld. For someone who really knows Windows gaming, it won't be a problem. But anything less than that and you might get frustrated. Will this be your primary gaming device?
 
simpatico said:
This. Consider holding out for a Deck unless you are clear eyed about what awaits you on a Windows handheld. For someone who really knows Windows gaming, it won't be a problem. But anything less than that and you might get frustrated. Will this be your primary gaming device?
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No, I have a ps5 pro. I just want something I can play steam games on and cloud streaming from ps5
 
FudgeIt said:
No, I have a ps5 pro. I just want something I can play steam games on and cloud streaming from ps5
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If that's the case, and you know your way around Windows, it could be worth it if you don't have interest in the coming Nintendo IPs.
 
FudgeIt said:
Seems like it's hard to trade a switch 2 for a steam deck OLED at this point
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I guess if the cost differential isn't too great, I would just pay the extra. You could also get a cheaper standard Steam Deck, but be warned that the screen on that is worse quality than the Switch 2.

The main reason I'd go for the Steam Deck is that it's a more mature platform with infinitely more community support. The performance between the two are fairly similar, so it really comes down to platform support, hardware design, and things like battery life. Hardware design is a bit subjective, but it's generally accepted that the Steam Deck has much better track pads. I can't speak on the ergonomics overall, though.

The Steam Deck OLED also has significantly better battery life. But the primary benefit is the fact that the Steam Deck is in millions upon millions of players' hands, and so games get optimized and customized to run as good as possible, and the average user benefits from that work, making it a very plug-and-play experience.
 
The oled steam deck (and steam deck in general) is REALLY showing its age now. Unless you have zero use for the switch 2 I think that is a bad trade.

Is it the extreme chip variant and 16gb of ram?

I would recommend that one over the oled Steam deck…esp if you put STEAM OS on it.
 
Exede said:
Switch 2 is for Nintendo games, keep it when you wanna play their IPs. Zelda OOT Remake is rumoured and Monolith is cooking something. I value these IPs a ton and wouldn't trade. When you like mobile PC games, sure why not.
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I think that's the problem. None of their games have been memorable for me, might be a me problem but like nothing excites me on it. DK Bananza was good but like I don't think I'd run to ever play it again. Zelda was an IP I never cared about especially their new one that was open world
 
You will need to settle for alternate furry fox games.



edit-Not for the white one, only get the Ally X.
 
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remember that the normal (non X white) Xbox Ally has the same SoC as the Steam Deck, with just slightly higher clock speeds.

that SoC is just barely capable enough to play modern AAA games at this point, so unless you plan to mainly play smaller AA or Indy games, you'll not have great performance on it.

the old Ally X or the Xbox Ally X would be far better handhelds.
 
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I don't think it's worth it, but if you go ahead, try to get a Rog Ally with the Z1 Extreme chip, which is better value for money.
 
i guess I may pass on this. Sounds like a bad trade. I feel like if Nintendo might have trophies/achievements and their games went on sale more often and they were a little harder I'd probably just keep it. I should just get a Portal to complement my ps5 pro
 
FudgeIt said:
Worse than the switch 2?
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The base model is basically the og rog ally z1x which is just a smidge more powerful than a steam deck (but a way shittier battery)

The switch 2 is faster than both. The rog xbox ally x is faster (but for $1000 it BETTER be) but even that one can struggle with certain games. I tried elden ring on mine and it barely played at minimum settings at 30fps
 
Three said:
Not a wise thing to do. It would be a downgrade. Just waiting would be better.
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Could be, or could be a nice upgrade, depending on the games you play and devices you use.

You can dock the Deck and have a usable PC. Can't do that with the Switch 2.
Deck beats the Switch 2 with the screen IMO, even if it's lower res/framerate, the response time on the Switch 2 is miles worse than OLED Deck, and the HDR on the Switch 2 is also terrible compared to an OLED display. The Switch 2 display is larger, which is nice, but I wouldn't trade an OLED display for that.
Deck beats the Switch 2 in battery life, but both can be run indefinitely off power banks, so I don't see much to sweat about there.

Overall, I think the Deck offers a much more diverse and adaptable gaming palate. But the Switch 2 plays some games the Deck cannot (aka exclusives).

That said, the next generation of handhelds in a couple years, if you can afford them, should be significantly better/faster.
 
Codes 208 said:
The base model is basically the og rog ally z1x which is just a smidge more powerful than a steam deck (but a way shittier battery)
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it's not. the base Xbox Ally is less powerful than the original Ally Z1 Extreme by quite a bit.

the base Xbox Ally has a slightly overclocked revision of the Steam Deck SoC inside, while the original high end Ally and the original Ally X both have a Z1 Extreme, which is noticeably more powerful.

8 RDNA 2 CUs, vs 12 RDNA 3 CUs, and when connected to power, you can give the Z1 Extrme far more power than the Deck, which in many games gives you almost 2x the performance compared to the Deck.

a docked ROG Ally Z1E/Rog Ally X should be about on par with a docked Switch 2 in terms of GPU power, while the Xbox Ally (non X) is noticeably below no matter the mode.

in terms of hardware power the rankings from slowest to fastest here should be:

ROG Ally Z1
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Steam Deck
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Xbox Ally = Switch 2 Handheld
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ROG Ally Z1E
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ROG Ally X = Switch 2 Docked
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Xbox Ally X
 
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I don't blame you, I really don't. The thing is between a combination of my little ones doing extremely light gaming and the odd Nintendo exclusive, I'm going to actually hold on to my Switch 2 and not give in as early. I don't want to feel like I'm missing on the one or 2 games a year or 2 that I may want to try.

Even today, I went and got Mario Maker 2 and Odyssey for 40 on FB marketplace.

Trying to get some games to find use for it and not let it sit.

Keep in mind is the ROG Xbox X and it's great but so is any other class HW in a similar price bracket. I run Bazzite on it exclusively.

5090 PC and also PS5 Pro. I got all my needs covered. If it was me I would lean into the R0G or similar class PC handhelds just for the legacy and modern support. Something on a Z2 Extreme level or higher just to cover yourself for now.

Switch 2 as a primary platform is not the way I would advise you ride things out. Too many games skipping it and or running significantly worse.
 
Minsc said:
Could be, or could be a nice upgrade, depending on the games you play and devices you use.

You can dock the Deck and have a usable PC. Can't do that with the Switch 2.
Deck beats the Switch 2 with the screen IMO, even if it's lower res/framerate, the response time on the Switch 2 is miles worse than OLED Deck, and the HDR on the Switch 2 is also terrible compared to an OLED display. The Switch 2 display is larger, which is nice, but I wouldn't trade an OLED display for that.
Deck beats the Switch 2 in battery life, but both can be run indefinitely off power banks, so I don't see much to sweat about there.

Overall, I think the Deck offers a much more diverse and adaptable gaming palate. But the Switch 2 plays some games the Deck cannot (aka exclusives).

That said, the next generation of handhelds in a couple years, if you can afford them, should be significantly better/faster.
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I meant in terms of performance in future games. RE9 for example runs much better on a Switch 2 than a Steam deck which offers a poor experience in comparison.

It wouldn't hurt waiting a while in any case considering the price is going to be hiked up on it later.
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
I don't blame you, I really don't. The thing is between a combination of my little ones doing extremely light gaming and the odd Nintendo exclusive, I'm going to actually hold on to my Switch 2 and not give in as early. I don't want to feel like I'm missing on the one or 2 games a year or 2 that I may want to try.

Even today, I went and got Mario Maker 2 and Odyssey for 40 on FB marketplace.

Trying to get some games to find use for it and not let it sit.

Keep in mind is the ROG Xbox X and it's great but so is any other class HW in a similar price bracket. I run Bazzite on it exclusively.

5090 PC and also PS5 Pro. I got all my needs covered. If it was me I would lean into the R0G or similar class PC handhelds just for the legacy and modern support. Something on a Z2 Extreme level or higher just to cover yourself for now.

Switch 2 as a primary platform is not the way I would advise you ride things out. Too many games skipping it and or running significantly worse.
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I mean I have a ps5 pro and a 2070 GPU (which meh, I don't game much on there). I just got the switch 2 thinking I'd love to play Nintendo games and im
Like that's it?!

I truthfully don't like the small cheap indies on Steam, it's so cool to play these games on a handheld.
Like I have fun with auto battlers and those games where you have choices to become more powerful. There seems to be a ton of that crap on steam lol, for cheap too.
 
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it's an equitable trade. Xbox Ally is basically as powerful as a Deck. If you don't feel comfortable selling your Switch 2 on FB, then this is a decent alternative if you can trust a person you're getting it from. Do you have a decent Steam/EGS/GoG library, or GP PC/Ultimate?
 
Bad trade. Those PC handhelds are running on old as fuck SoC now, the steam deck is great for indies and backlog but forget anything bigger that's recent.

If you're not already invested into steam, there's no point really. The Steam Deck 2 needs to happen someday, but with the ram crisis I bet the timeline is fucked.
 
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FudgeIt said:
I truthfully don't like the small cheap indies on Steam, it's so cool to play these games on a handheld.
Like I have fun with auto battlers and those games where you have choices to become more powerful. There seems to be a ton of that crap on steam lol, for cheap too.
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These are mainly the games you would be able to play on that and steam deck.

X version can do a bit of AAA at med low settings.

I would say, make a list of 10 games you would like to play on the ally. Dont have to be exclusives, but should run decent on it. If you can list 10 games, trade might be worth it.
 
FudgeIt said:
It's this one. https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai...7afe36qUAxXZl4kEHe6VLMcQwg8oAHoECA8QFg&adurl=
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While you are trading for this and not paying for it, you can find this model sometimes around the 375 usd mark and u less you have a lot of older pc games you want to play (or want to dip into emulation on the go) this isn't going to last (from a performance perspective) much longer than the oled deck will.

Ultimately it's your choice and you would be happier with windows/steam on the go vs. Nintendo on the go…make the choice that works best for you.
 
FudgeIt said:
I have a chance to trade my switch 2 for that device and I might consider it. I haven't touched my switch 2 and like the switch, I wish I could get into using it but I just… don't? Games are pricey and waiting for sales just takes too long.

Idk if I'm making a bad choice or not. It feels like I'm making the right one. Is the pc device worth it?
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Is it for regular Ally or the one with Z2E? I wouldn't trade for vanilla Xbox Ally.

And you can get a ton of Switch games on sale digital, physical or used. See which ones work better on S2 and get those.

Personally I wouldn't trade to the base Ally. Hell, trying to get Ally X or even OG Z1E Ally seems a better bet. Or Steam Deck OLED.

But it really depends on which games you want to play on the device.
 
I got the Ally X and owned a steam deck.

The idea that the steam deck is simpler is somewhat true… until you try to install a game from any other source than steam or play a game that has anti cheat, etc.

Also if you're interested in PC game pass than the Ally is obviously the better choice.

The most annoying thing about having the windows handheld was the first hours of updating everything… then after that, with those updates installed on the Xbox mode, it's been absolutely smooth sailing and a lot of fun.
 
AGRacing said:
I got the Ally X and owned a steam deck.

The idea that the steam deck is simpler is somewhat true… until you try to install a game from any other source than steam or play a game that has anti cheat, etc.

Also if you're interested in PC game pass than the Ally is obviously the better choice.

The most annoying thing about having the windows handheld was the first hours of updating everything… then after that, with those updates installed on the Xbox mode, it's been absolutely smooth sailing and a lot of fun.
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Which one did you end up getting? The Ally device names confuse the hell out of me.
 
FudgeIt said:
Which one did you end up getting? The Ally device names confuse the hell out of me.
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I have an Ally X and it's decent but just be aware that it is clunky when compared to the switch when it comes to UI, running stuff, updates. It's not terrible or anything but if you are coming from switch it will be a shock.
 
Codes 208 said:
The base model is basically the og rog ally z1x which is just a smidge more powerful than a steam deck (but a way shittier battery)

The switch 2 is faster than both. The rog xbox ally x is faster (but for $1000 it BETTER be) but even that one can struggle with certain games. I tried elden ring on mine and it barely played at minimum settings at 30fps
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Elden ring was in the 50-55 fps on medium settings on my ally z1e🤷‍♂️. Though i changed some settings in windows to get the same performance on battery as plugged in. Which is the real problem with pc handhelds you have to tweak and fiddle around to get the best experience.
 
FudgeIt said:
I have a chance to trade my switch 2 for that device and I might consider it. I haven't touched my switch 2 and like the switch, I wish I could get into using it but I just… don't? Games are pricey and waiting for sales just takes too long.

Idk if I'm making a bad choice or not. It feels like I'm making the right one. Is the pc device worth it?
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I have the white Xbox Ally. The speakers/sound are great. Ergonomics are so good sometimes i just play on this device because it feels better than the regular Xbox controller.

Performance wise you can get a fake 1080/60FPS or better on new AAA games with aggressive tweaking. You have to use frame gen, increase VRAM to 6 or 8, use low in game graphic settings, play at 720p and use an upscaler or image sharpener(I highly recommend using RIS). Now the problem with this is Frame gen gives you more input lag but I played Doom the Dark Ages and other AAA games with frame gen and it felt plenty responsive. I think the bigger problem is visual artifacts. Peoples hair looks very strange and there is pop in on a couple games I played when using frame gen. But i tolerate it because its a budget handheld.

Another problem is the unresponsiveness with the joystick. You have to use the touchscreen often to navigate the UI in the splash page, There is a glitch where the joystick doesn't work and you just have to tap the screen to get it moving again. Overall I love it. The performance and visuals look good enough. And using the touchscreen is actually faster than using the joystick anyways so I don't have much of a problem with that. I paid $600 for it at launch which is not great but for people getting it at $500 with the free $45 Game Pass premium included that is a good deal.
 
FudgeIt said:
I have a chance to trade my switch 2 for that device and I might consider it. I haven't touched my switch 2 and like the switch, I wish I could get into using it but I just… don't? Games are pricey and waiting for sales just takes too long.

Idk if I'm making a bad choice or not. It feels like I'm making the right one. Is the pc device worth it?
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Makes no sense imo.

Switch 2 is not only more powerful than the OG ROG Ally, it's also gonna appreciate in price over time given the price hikes.

This becomes a conversation if we're talking about Lenovo Legion Go S (Z1 Extreme variant specifically with 32gigs of RAM), or the ROG Ally X (the 2nd iteration with 24GB of RAM and a much bigger battery).
 
I mean the Ally is great, you could play Switch games on it using an emulator, in the case of Mario Wonder you could play it at 120fps as well, but you will be locked out of switch 2 exclusive games, because there's no emulator yet, and it's not likely we get one for a few years, so it's a tough one, i personally wouldn't give up the switch 2 for a pc handheld and that's coming from somebody who owns a Rog Ally Z1X (OG), Switch games on it are great though.
 
Astray said:
Makes no sense imo.

Switch 2 is not only more powerful than the OG ROG Ally, it's also gonna appreciate in price over time given the price hikes.

This becomes a conversation if we're talking about Lenovo Legion Go S (Z1 Extreme variant specifically with 32gigs of RAM), or the ROG Ally X (the 2nd iteration with 24GB of RAM and a much bigger battery).
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LOL Wut? Switch 2 isn't more powerful than the OG ROG Ally, the OG Rog Ally in raw compute is more than twice as powerful than the Switch 2 in docked mode and around 6.something times more powerful than the switch 2 in handheld mode, it's a much closer contest in terms of the Xbox Rog Ally, which uses the Z2 non extreme which gives you steamdeck like compute GPU side, so yeah Switch 2 beats it on one hand, but CPU side it smokes it.
 
There are a lot of differences of opinions which is great but also not so great. I'm so close to buying a portal so I can play my Diablo and some other indies on premium+. This is over complicated.
 
MrAlwaysRight said:
LOL Wut? Switch 2 isn't more powerful than the OG ROG Ally, the OG Rog Ally in raw compute is more than twice as powerful than the Switch 2 in docked mode and around 6.something times more powerful than the switch 2 in handheld mode, it's a much closer contest in terms of the Xbox Rog Ally, which uses the Z2 non extreme which gives you steamdeck like compute GPU side, so yeah Switch 2 beats it on one hand, but CPU side it smokes it.
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In real-world use the Switch 2 is gonna smoke it in the mid/long-term because not only are devs gonna actively optimize for it, Nintendo/Nvidia are gonna keep its drivers updated for you to ensure best perf.

There's no guarantee that AMD/Asus keeps drivers coming. There were already rumors about Lenovo dropping driver dev on the Z1 variants.
 
Astray said:
Makes no sense imo.

Switch 2 is not only more powerful than the OG ROG Ally, it's also gonna appreciate in price over time given the price hikes.

This becomes a conversation if we're talking about Lenovo Legion Go S (Z1 Extreme variant specifically with 32gigs of RAM), or the ROG Ally X (the 2nd iteration with 24GB of RAM and a much bigger battery).
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Is it though? You are talking about the Non Z1 extreme from 2023, I don't have that but the performance should be similar to the white Xbox Ally(Z2a). I heard even docked Cybperpunk on Switch 2 is only 40fps/1080p. I think the white Xbox Ally can simply surpass that by changing the TDP watt to 15 or 20. I just looked it up and South of Midnight is only 30 fps at 1080p on Switch 2, even without frame gen Xbox Ally easily surpasses that, I was getting around 50fps at 1080p.
 
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I have a white Xbox ROG. It's not good. If you really want to dump the switch and get a PC handheld, get anything but that. I've regretted buying it since day 1.
 
FudgeIt said:
I have a chance to trade my switch 2 for that device and I might consider it. I haven't touched my switch 2 and like the switch, I wish I could get into using it but I just… don't? Games are pricey and waiting for sales just takes too long.

Idk if I'm making a bad choice or not. It feels like I'm making the right one. Is the pc device worth it?
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do not do it the june nd is coming.
 
FudgeIt said:
I have a chance to trade my switch 2 for that device and I might consider it. I haven't touched my switch 2 and like the switch, I wish I could get into using it but I just… don't? Games are pricey and waiting for sales just takes too long.

Idk if I'm making a bad choice or not. It feels like I'm making the right one. Is the pc device worth it?
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I would not even trade my switch 2 for an ally x
 
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