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http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/10/10/13230346/donald-trump-locker-room-talk-chris-kluwe

Dear Donald Trump,

Last Friday, audio leaked of you making incredibly demeaning comments about women and bragging about sexual assault. When asked to justify your statements, you claimed that this was "locker room talk," and it's just how guys speak about women.

You're wrong, and only the type of wrong an over-tanned ham hock like yourself can accomplish, plummeting past the morass of gross incivility into the abyss of depraved sociopathy.

How do I know this? Simple. I was in an NFL locker room for eight years, the very definition of the macho, alpha male environment you're so feebly trying to evoke to protect yourself, and not once did anyone approach your breathtaking depths of arrogant imbecility. Oh, sure, we had some dumb guys, and some guys I wouldn't want to hang out with on any sort of regular basis, but we never had anyone say anything as foul and demeaning as you did on that tape, and, hell, I played a couple years with a guy who later turned out to be a serial rapist. Even he never talked like that.

Read on for more but I also want to bring up another article that brings up the changing atmosphere for current pros even if they are misrepresenting a stat to almost Polygon levels.



http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

Fights. Friendships ended. Racial divides. Requirements not to talk about a combustible candidate on team property. B/R Mag’s examination of the football locker room electorate reveals that America’s most popular sport is just as politically divided as the nation itself

Interviews by B/R Mag with dozens of NFL players about Trump over the past four months reveal that scenes of a divided America sparked by the candidate have been replicated inside at least a half-dozen locker rooms of its most popular sport. Some players cite low-level confrontations. Others say friendships have ended. Many see a toughness that could cross political boundaries and a business acumen that’s attractive to the likes of Tom Brady, only for the candidate’s racial bluster to spark more outrage. At least one coach has insisted there be no more player discussions of Trump—not a ban on politics in general, just Trump—while on team property.

Four weeks into the NFL season and four weeks from Election Day, amid an increasingly politicized league confronting on-field protests every Sunday, a straw poll of 43 players by B/R Mag shows:

20 of 22 black NFL players plan to vote for Hillary Clinton.
2 of 22 black NFL players plan to vote for Donald J. Trump.
21 of 21 white NFL players plan to vote for Trump.

The informal survey is in no way scientific—there are some 1,600 players in the NFL—but compare those numbers to recent national polling, and the NFL locker room electorate starts to look at lot like America:

“The locker room normally isn’t politically correct,” Woody said. “I know from talking to players things are different when it comes to Trump.”

 

[TheRed]

Holy crap of 21 of 21 white players voting for Trump.
I guess 21 isn't a big number compared to all of them in the league, I just expected at least one to not be apart of that. I mean there's even 2 black people voting for Trump in that sample.

 

[Mesoian]

Holy crap of 21 of 21 white players voting for Trump.
I guess 21 isn't a big number compared to all of them in the league, I just expected at least one to not be apart of that. I mean there's even 2 black people voting for Trump in that sample.

Because Money. Trump's mandate is "make the rich richer." Most NFL players are rich.

 

[Briarios]

I have a very hard time believing a monolithic Trump voting white block like that. Seriously ... anytime you get results for a political survey at 100% you should question it.

 

[Futureman]

Holy crap of 21 of 21 white players voting for Trump.
I guess 21 isn't a big number compared to all of them in the league, I just expected at least one to not be apart of that. I mean there's even 2 black people voting for Trump in that sample.

this article is by a white guy though. Also that 21 of 21 was before the "I sexually assault women because I'm rich and powerful" tape.

 

[Bread]

Ex NFL Gaffer Chris Kluwe

 

[How About No]

You're wrong, and only the type of wrong an over-tanned ham hock like yourself can accomplish, plummeting past the morass of gross incivility into the abyss of depraved sociopathy.

I'm so shook I'll need to take some Daaaaaambien to get sleep tonight

 

[DOWN]

21 out of 21 is pretty sad

 

[BronsonLee]

NEVER TRUST A KICKER

 

[wildfire]

I have a very hard time believing a monolithic Trump voting white block like that. Seriously ... anytime you get results for a political survey at 100% you should question it.

It definitely won't be monolithic number of NFL white players. There's over 1500 players. That's not small at all so BR should've tried sampling triple that amount. Though it's concerning that Trump has exposed and endangered a lot of friendships.

That said both pieces are a good look into the past and present situation in how the NFL playerbase interact with each other socially.

 

[marrec]

NEVER TRUST A GAFFER

FTFY

 

[shiftplusone]

Kluwe is a God damn ess Jay double you so he's making this up of course

(This is sarcasm)

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I do enjoy Chris Kluwe's writing. He sometimes goes a bit over-the-top, but it's honestly hard not to when discussing someone as extreme as Donald Trump.

 

[DietRob]

Didn't Kluwe used to post here?

I think it was him. I know at one point we had an NFL kicker posting here.

 

[wild wild rice]

lol @ "ham hock"

 

[Brinbe]

Ha, I knew who it'd be Kluwe. GAF's own.

And Trump owning that Riley Cooper vote.

 

[GitarooMan]

21 out of 21 is pretty sad

Yup. But rich white out of touch male athletes are right in Trump's wheelhouse. I think if you took a PGA Tour poll it would be like 99.99999999 Trump.

 

[Bleepey]

I am not sure which I find myore surprising 2 black people who'd vote for Trump or every white person votes for Trump. Long story short:

 

[reKon]

21 out of 21 is pretty sad

I'm very disappointed at this.

 

[Draxal]

I am not sure which I find myore surprising 2 black people who'd vote for Trump or every white person votes for Trump. Long story short:

Trump used to own the USFL New Jersey generals so he does have experience as an owner, he's friendly with Herschel Walker as a result.

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

I am not sure which I find myore surprising 2 black people who'd vote for Trump or every white person votes for Trump. Long story short:

Really? You're surprised that rich, white guys who have spent their entire lives in their own little bubble would vote for Trump?

 

[TheJollyCorner]

I forgot Darren Sharper played a few years for the Vikes.
Fucking scumbag.

 

[MetatronM]

Trump used to own the USFL New Jersey generals so he does have experience as an owner, he's friendly with Herschel Walker as a result.

That worked out really well, too.

 

[Tall4Life]

That sample size is so pitiful that that statistic is meaningless.

Those white players could all be from the same Southern team that would already be predisposed to loving Trump.

 

[Nordicus]

hell, I played a couple years with a guy who later turned out to be a serial rapist. Even he never talked like that.

Woof

 

[Dai101]

21 of 21 white players voting for Trump

Then you read 2 black players and ask your self "why?" and "how?" and then remember the likes of charles barkley, stacy dash, moneyweather ....

 

[Sanjuro]

Tom Brady is a WINNER.

 

[red13th]

Kluwe is a a gaffer?

 

[greatestjediever]

Tom Brady is a WINNER.

Brady is Alucard

 

[Bleepey]

Really? You're surprised that rich, white guys who have spent their entire lives in their own little bubble would vote for Trump?

I am surprised that any black person in an NFL would vote for Trump and every white guy in an NFL team are voting for Trump.

 

[therealist]

Really? You're surprised that rich, white guys who have spent their entire lives in their own little bubble would vote for Trump?

what bubble are you referring to? They didn't grow up rich, and I'd argue they have spent more time around more minorities than you have.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

I've heard substantially worse, but not since college/HS. I would assume a professional locker room teeming with press/tape recorders would have a decent level of decorum

 

[LiquidSword]

21 out of 21 white players. Jesus. Thank god our demographics have shifted. People of color will save us all.

 

[jon bones]

Kluwe stay doin work.

Kluwe is a a gaffer?

yes

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

I am surprised that any black person in an NFL would vote for Trump and every white guy in an NFL team are voting for Trump.

They're rich. There's always going to be some minorities willing to overlook racism if it lines their own pockets.

what bubble are you referring to? They didn't grow up rich, and I'd argue they have spent more time around more minorities than you have.

A) From a young age their athletic ability has led to them being told how exceptional they are, they've been coddled and treated differently throughout school, college and then become millionaires. It doesn't matter if they grew up poor or not, of course the Republican bootstraps, American Dream bullshit resonates with them.

B) Go on then. I'd love to hear that argument.

 

[The Technomancer]

Kluwe stays winning

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

21 of 21 white NFL players plan to vote for Trump.

Are white americans fucking insane?

 

[xxracerxx]

21 our of 21 is gross.

 

[Jeffrey]

I've heard substantially worse, but not since college/HS. I would assume a professional locker room teeming with press/tape recorders would have a decent level of decorum

how about the locker room with 60 year olds?

 

[The Technomancer]

I've heard substantially worse, but not since college/HS. I would assume a professional locker room teeming with press/tape recorders would have a decent level of decorum

I never heard anything like this in high-school, mostly because even the most sexually active of us still didn't fully have the vocabulary for this kind of crudeness. I don't mean we didn't know the words obviously, I mean we didn't really know how to express this level of grossness

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

"Worse than a serial rapist", now there's a sound bite that will fit on a DVD case.

 

[rjinaz]

I've heard substantially worse, but not since college/HS. I would assume a professional locker room teeming with press/tape recorders would have a decent level of decorum

Sigh. Round and round we go.

Sexual assault talk is not locker room talk. Nasty sex talk, sure. High school teens? Ok I can see that, horrible ones that get expelled regularly. If you are in college and hear that you should have reported it.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Are white americans fucking insane?

As a white american who is voting for Hilary, this isn't representative of whites as a whole (Though Whites, and especially White men, are the reason Trump is in the race at all). Remember, pro football players are also incredibly rich and also more likely to see themselves as special individuals due to being told that they are and treated as such their whole lives

 

[wildfire]

"Worse than a serial rapist", now there's a sound bite that will fit on a DVD case.

I wonder if the rapist likes Donald continuing to "telling it like it is."

 

[Nairume]

Trump used to own the USFL New Jersey generals so he does have experience as an owner, he's friendly with Herschel Walker as a result.

He's also partially the reason the USFL is gone.

His history of destroying jobs even impacts football.

 

[TheOMan]

21 of 21 voting for Trump.

Something is wrong (I HOPE) with that sample.

Either way - that's pretty shameful. Embarrassing.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Are white americans fucking insane?

White men without a college degree are Trump's key demographic, especially if they're in a higher income bracket. NFL players mostly don't have degrees (getting drafted before completion) and they're in the highest income tax bracket. So, yeah, this is Trump's core group of supporters. But, yeah, white guys ruin everything.

 

[Bay Maximus]

21 out of 21. This is a sad day for American Football.

I mean I knew about Brady but yeesh!

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

Are white americans fucking insane?

A lot of the NFL's white players come from backgrounds where people like Trump are all over the place. People from the deep South, people from Evangelical backgrounds. Trump polls very well among poor whites because they feel he speaks on behalf of them and that's the background a lot of the NFLs white players come from.

Edit: One thing I forgot to mention, is that white people can have all the black friends and date all the Asian women they want. Unless, they actually make a concious effort to try and understand why minorities don't vote Republican, even if they are Democrats themselves, they'll never understand. That's the problem with race relations.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Trump was probably referring to Golf locker rooms, where most of the well off sociopath deviants congregate