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Secession-age: 12 counties in south Oregon/north California want to form new state

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XiaNaphryz

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A move to secede on California-Oregon border and create 51st state "Jefferson."

(10-05) 04:00 PDT Yreka, Siskiyou County -- Some folks around here think the economic sky is falling and state lawmakers in Sacramento and Salem are ignoring their constituents in the hinterlands.

Guess the time is ripe to create a whole new state.

That's the thinking up here along the border between California and Oregon, where 12 sparsely populated, thickly forested counties in both states want to break away and generate the 51st star on the nation's flag - the state of Jefferson.

You can see the signs of discontent from Klamath Falls to Dunsmuir, where green double-X "Jefferson State" flags hang in scores of businesses. You can hear the talk of revolution at lunch counters and grocery lines, where people grumble that politicians to the north and south don't care.

You can even hear the dissent on the radio, where 21 area FM stations broadcast from Oregon into California under the banner of "Jefferson Public Radio." "We have nothing in common with you people down south. Nothing," said Randy Bashaw, manager of the Jefferson State Forest Products lumber mill in the Trinity County hamlet of Hayfork. "The sooner we're done with all you people, the better."

Talking about secession has been a quasi-joking conversational saw since 1941, when five counties in the area started things by actually declaring themselves - briefly - to be the state of Jefferson. But now, with the economy in trouble and unemployment soaring, the idea of greater independence is getting its most serious consideration since World War II.

Locals complain that federal and state regulators have hampered the fishing and timber industries to protect forestlands and endangered species such as sucker fish and the spotted owl. Jobs are so scarce that the median income in the area is only two-thirds that of the rest of the state. Most water from the rainy Shasta region is shipped south, with little economic benefit to the area. Even the California sales tax draws sneers.

If they ran their own state, the reasoning goes, folks in Siskiyou, Modoc and the other potential Jefferson counties could whack the red tape from both federal and state officials and get rid of the sales tax.

Seeking signatures

The Grange Hall of Yreka, a farm-based service organization, is activating 51 of its brethren halls in the area to collect 1 million signatures to have a statehood advisory measure put on the California ballot. Tony Intiso, a runoff candidate in the Nov. 4 election for Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors, has pledged to force the issue and is running campaign ads calling for regional freedom. The number of registered users of a decade-old Web site advocating partition has suddenly shot from dozens to more than 900.

"Heck yeah, it's a darn good idea," said Richard Mitchell, manager of the Cooley & Pollard Hardware Store on Miner Street, the main drag in the blink-and-you-miss-it town of Yreka. "Those liberal people down south don't understand us at all, and if there was a vote today to form a new state, it would pass in a heartbeat.

"I would bet on it."

The window of Mitchell's store, where he tends the register in worn work boots and a camouflage hunting cap, displays T-shirts and flags sporting the state "seal" of Jefferson: Two X's denoting the double-crossing the area supposedly gets from the capitols of California and Oregon.

Movement began in 1941


Mitchell also posts a copy of the original declaration of Jefferson independence, drafted in 1941 by the angry miners and loggers who pushed for secession over the appalling condition of roads. That movement - the coverage of which earned Chronicle reporter Stanton Delaplane a Pulitzer Prize - lasted just two weeks before the Pearl Harbor attack, when the movement dissolved in the name of national unity.

But it was never forgotten.

"It started out as a big joke back then, but then some folks got real serious and before long they had elected a governor and all that," said Frances Wacker, 95, whose husband, the late George Wacker, was one of the 1941 Jefferson movement leaders.

"I think some folks have become serious again and think they have something going."

Sixty-seven years ago, Wacker recalled, locals were frustrated because they were ignored when they complained to lawmakers that they couldn't easily ship copper and timber south to ports and markets on the axle-cracking roads. The roads have improved since then - the same trip now takes four hours, not the eight of 1941 - but the unhappiness has not.

"It's not rocket science to see why it makes sense, and how we could do it," said Brian Petersen, a landscaper who runs the main online forum advocating statehood, www.jeffersonstate.com. "The capitols of California and Oregon ignore us. We want out. All we have to do is get an initiative on the ballot and vote to get things going." Peterson has run his Web site for 10 years. For most of the time since, the site had a mailing list of about 100. In the past year, though, as the Grange began its petition drive and unemployment throughout the region rose to about 10 percent - almost three points above the California average - the mailing list grew nearly 10 times in size.

"If you want any chance of fixing things, sometimes you have to break the system," said Leo Bergeron, master of Yreka's Greenhorn Grange Hall and past master of the statewide, agriculturally oriented Grange service club. "Now, we have to break the system."

For years, he said, locals have proudly claimed Jefferson is a "state of mind" born of living in an expanse of forestlands and hamlets that is roughly the size of Wales and has about the same population as San Francisco. Redding, with a population of 80,000, is the closest thing to a metropolis. And with 60,000 cattle, Siskiyou County has 15,000 more bovines than it does people. Along the way, tourist-minded locals have come up with the flags, an official state cow ("Moo-dona," a huge sculpture alongside Interstate 5) and an official beer (microbrewed in Etna). The legend of Big Foot is also big around here.

But Bergeron's not playing around.

"If you do it seriously, some people will think you're a kook," said Bergeron, who spearheads the Grange effort. "But 9 out of 10 people have an interest in this - and we need to reach the ones who are really serious."

Working toward '09 measure

Bergeron's first goal is to gather 1,200 signatures in Siskiyou County to put an advisory secession initiative on the county ballot in 2009. At the same time, he is urging the 51 Grange Halls in Jefferson territory, and those on the mailing list of www.jeffersonstate.com, to gear up for collecting 1 million signatures to take the advisory measure statewide.

"We'll need the approval of both states and the federal government, but it can be done," he said. "And even if we don't become a new state, we will have made a statement and can at least get some more independence in our own affairs." Such a statement would be news to most in Sacramento. "Never heard of Jefferson," said Aaron McLear, spokesman for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. "We are going to decline comment."


Gail Fiorini-Jenner, co-author of two books on the state of Jefferson, said the almost 900,000 people who live in the territory aren't hicks. Just feisty. And that, she said, is not new: Since the 1850s, there have been similar attempts to create the states of Klamath and Shasta.

"Everyone thinks we're dumb rednecks, but we have the far left, the far right and a lot of the middle up here," she said. "Our only trouble is we have no political power. It's no wonder people want to change that."
 

Hcoregamer00

The 'H' stands for hentai.
I was up in that part of Northern California 2 months ago, I was shocked that it was even part of California.

Let them secede :D
 

CzarTim

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loosus

Banned
They must have heard about my plans to cut California's border so that the state floats away and give's some other country grief. Separating the normals from the Californians is most helpful, so I approve this measure.
 

XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
dogonfire said:

Cascadia's much less likely to happen though, at least without a successful armed uprising.

Jefferson (darker color was original movement in 1930s, lighter color covers includes current movement):

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Cascadia:

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FitzyDog

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I grew up in one of the counties marked in red there("Humboldt County" apparently pot smoker heaven according to the movie trailor I saw..), and I've never heard of this before, if there is such a movement its just some backwood rednecks; the reasons they give are weak. I'm glad if they can't break off if only to prevent the excessive logging that would take place if they were allowed to do so, not that the logging isn't already excessive..

The way they ship the water down south is pretty annoying though, some of the rivers running to the sea in NorCal are tiny compared to what they once were. Gotta wonder what the long term effect will be from doing this..
 

S-Wind

Member
XiaNaphryz said:
Cascadia's much less likely to happen though, at least without a successful armed uprising.

Jefferson (darker color was original movement in 1930s, lighter color covers includes current movement):

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Smith Rock is safe, GOOD! I'm going rock climbing there in 2 weeks.
 

ixix

Exists in a perpetual state of Quantum Crotch Uncertainty.
They act all independent, but when push comes to shove I know for a fact that they rely on mysterious outsiders to handle cases of mining disputes, wanamingo infestations, and sapient rats.
 

Phoenix

Member
FlightOfHeaven said:
Another welfare state for Blue states to fund?

No thanks.


If they are already funding that population in 2 different states, why would it make any difference if it were cobbled together as one state? Statistically speaking of course.
 
loosus said:
They must have heard about my plans to cut California's border so that the state floats away and give's some other country grief. Separating the normals from the Californians is most helpful, so I approve this measure.

Blow me.

Bill Maher said:
"..And finally, New Rule: Lay off California!
You know, the rest of America has been having quite a laugh at California’s expense lately. But let’s remember this: California has a lot of people. And the reason it does is lots of other people in other states saying, “Fuck this, I’m outta here!” And then those people come here to California, and people ask them, “Don’t you miss the winters?” No, strangely enough, I don’t. Much the same way I don’t miss slamming a car door on my hands.

Make fun of California, but if it weren’t for California, East Coast rappers would have to shoot musicians from Branson. If it weren’t for California, there’s be almost no TV, and you’d have to come home at night and actually talk to your family.

You know, the rest of America feels about California the way the rest of the world feels about America. They hate us because we do what we want. They think we’re too blessed and too free, and it makes them nuts in the dreary hovels of Kabul and Tikrit and Lubbock, Texas. They pray to their threadbare gods that we’ll get what we deserve. But it won’t happen. Because you never know what we’re going to do here next.

We elected Ronald Reagan and Jerry Brown. We’re home to Disney and Hustler, the Partridge Family and the Manson Family. We can drink a Mudslide and a Sex on the Beach during an actual mudslide while having sex on the beach! Our farms feed the world, and Calista Flockhart lives here. We have bears and great white sharks. And even our washed-up actors are allowed to kill one blonde chick. We invented surfing and cyber-porn and LSD and the boob job. And if we didn’t, who would have.

We have oranges, free oranges, everywhere. What grows on the trees in Scranton, fucker?! We have a real hockey team named after a hockey team in a movie! Our Indian casinos could kick your Indian casinos’ ass. We give our illegal aliens driver’s licenses. And we have a guy running for governor who digs group sex.

Would anywhere else in America trade places with L.A. or San Francisco in a piss-soaked New York minute? You bet they would. Because I don’t recall anyone ever writing a song called “I Wish They All Could Be Rhode Island Girls”! ."
 

LuCkymoON

Banned
I would actually like to see all of the Pacific Rim states along with Hawaii secede from the US.

Phoenix said:
If they are already funding that population in 2 different states, why would it make any difference if it were cobbled together as one state? Statistically speaking of course.
CA gets less Fed funding than other states. If this new state were to come true then it would be another red state that gets more back in Fed funding than it pays in Taxes.
 
FitzyDog said:
I grew up in one of the counties marked in red there("Humboldt County" apparently pot smoker heaven according to the movie trailor I saw..), and I've never heard of this before, if there is such a movement its just some backwood rednecks; the reasons they give are weak. I'm glad if they can't break off if only to prevent the excessive logging that would take place if they were allowed to do so, not that the logging isn't already excessive..

The way they ship the water down south is pretty annoying though, some of the rivers running to the sea in NorCal are tiny compared to what they once were. Gotta wonder what the long term effect will be from doing this..
I grew up in that area as well, and I never heard of "Jefferson." Occasionally I would hear someone talk about Northern and Southern California becoming 2 states, but I never heard of including part of Oregon in it.
 

XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
speculawyer said:
loosus said:
They must have heard about my plans to cut California's border so that the state floats away and give's some other country grief. Separating the normals from the Californians is most helpful, so I approve this measure.
Blow me.

Bill Maher said:
"..And finally, New Rule: Lay off California!
You know, the rest of America has been having quite a laugh at California’s expense lately. But let’s remember this: California has a lot of people. And the reason it does is lots of other people in other states saying, “Fuck this, I’m outta here!” And then those people come here to California, and people ask them, “Don’t you miss the winters?” No, strangely enough, I don’t. Much the same way I don’t miss slamming a car door on my hands.

Make fun of California, but if it weren’t for California, East Coast rappers would have to shoot musicians from Branson. If it weren’t for California, there’s be almost no TV, and you’d have to come home at night and actually talk to your family.

You know, the rest of America feels about California the way the rest of the world feels about America. They hate us because we do what we want. They think we’re too blessed and too free, and it makes them nuts in the dreary hovels of Kabul and Tikrit and Lubbock, Texas. They pray to their threadbare gods that we’ll get what we deserve. But it won’t happen. Because you never know what we’re going to do here next.

We elected Ronald Reagan and Jerry Brown. We’re home to Disney and Hustler, the Partridge Family and the Manson Family. We can drink a Mudslide and a Sex on the Beach during an actual mudslide while having sex on the beach! Our farms feed the world, and Calista Flockhart lives here. We have bears and great white sharks. And even our washed-up actors are allowed to kill one blonde chick. We invented surfing and cyber-porn and LSD and the boob job. And if we didn’t, who would have.

We have oranges, free oranges, everywhere. What grows on the trees in Scranton, fucker?! We have a real hockey team named after a hockey team in a movie! Our Indian casinos could kick your Indian casinos’ ass. We give our illegal aliens driver’s licenses. And we have a guy running for governor who digs group sex.

Would anywhere else in America trade places with L.A. or San Francisco in a piss-soaked New York minute? You bet they would. Because I don’t recall anyone ever writing a song called “I Wish They All Could Be Rhode Island Girls”! ."
Word yo!

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Parallax Scroll said:
I grew up in that area as well, and I never heard of "Jefferson." Occasionally I would hear someone talk about Northern and Southern California becoming 2 states, but I never heard of including part of Oregon in it.
For most of us, we draw the top of "Northern California" between Santa Rosa, Sacramento and Lake Tahoe. Anything north of that may as well be Oregon. ;)

SoCal is anything south of Bakersfield. Anything between that and San Jose is Central Cali.
 

bh7812

Banned
I've been to Oregon twice now, the last trip I went with my Uncle who lives in Portland from Portland all the way to LA so I finally got to see Southern Oregon and Northern California on that trip. Now, this isn't the first I've heard of the whole "State of Jefferson" idea. I'll tell you what REALLY struck me on that trip..just how different, both geographically and in terms of atmosphere, this area is from the areas to the North and South. Southern Oregon is VERY different from Salem and Portland..even different from Eugene. Northern California is VERY different from Sacramento and Southern California. The difference geographically and in atmosphere between far Northern California and Redding even is just staggering. My point is, this whole area that wants to secede and form it's own state is so different from the states they're a part of now it seemed like it should have been it's whole different state, almost like it wasn't ever meant to be a part of the states they're in right now.

One thing I wanted to really see on that trip is how similar the Oregon-California crossing on I-5 is from the Georgia-Florida crossing on I-75 to each other. Two totally different worlds, that's all I can say. You cannot even compare them geographically to each other, mostly due to the mountains and you can't compare them in terms of atmosphere to each other AT ALL. I got my answer and I do not regret it. The area is so beautiful too. It will be interesting to see how far this whole thing gets!
 

Phoenix

Member
LuCkymoON said:
I would actually like to see all of the Pacific Rim states along with Hawaii secede from the US.


CA gets less Fed funding than other states. If this new state were to come true then it would be another red state that gets more back in Fed funding than it pays in Taxes.


If all you're doing is rebalancing the population across two states, CA would be getting less and this new state would be getting more. Not sure how the situation changes at all since unlike electoral votes and similar, there is no minimum federal support given. In fact it is based on population.
 

ZAK

Member
They're just trying to turn a bit of that blue block of electoral votes red. And without the population to justify that kind of political sway either, it seems.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
Im ready to move as soon as possible. It's like taking the awesome parts of california and the sanity of oregon...im ready.
 

Tarazet

Member
LuCkymoON said:
I would actually like to see all of the Pacific Rim states along with Hawaii secede from the US.

Scuse me, without California an Obama presidency DOES NOT HAPPEN. We've got the numbers. The problems California has are all because of tensions between people who weren't born here, and want this place to be like wherever they came from, and those who were born here and like it just the way it is, you fucking pack of nerds/skanks (depending on whether you're from the north or south).
 

XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Kusagari said:
Fuck them. South Florida should become a state before a state called JEFFERSON for some rednecks.
South Florida should retain the name Florida while the rest of the state gets named something else. Panhandle maybe?
 

SUPREME1

Banned
F*ck them.



I'd be willing to give up the very top end of Cali , IF, we get the southwest corner of Nevada... VIVA LAS VEGAS!
 
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