The answer is accountability and serious consequences (i.e. jail time) not "eye for an eye".
That would only make it worse.
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NYPD kill a man after he breaks up a fight between others.
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That would only make it worse.
Miles Quaritch
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Probably scared they might be treated in a similar way. The way they aggressively try to push people back after they realise he's probably dead says it all.
This is the third such video I've seen of US cops choking out and then dog piling someone who then later dies.
You'd think that lessons would have been learnt by now...
Chie Satonaka
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Nothing.
I don't think there will ever be any significant changes made to the police force in the United States.
I know I'm being pessimistic, but this story has left me numb all day, and I'm just tired.
not psycho
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These are the ones I was looking at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...pare-on-child-poverty-the-u-s-is-ranked-34th/ - 34th out of 35 on child poverty
http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/09/news/economy/america-economic-mobility/ - nearly the worst on social mobility
"Among the major developed countries, only in Italy and the United Kingdom is there less economic mobility."
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html - income inequality table which includes lots of countries (putting the US a little ahead of Rwanda, but worse than Iran and Nigeria)
http://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/41528678.pdf - comparison among OECD countries
"The United States is the country with the highest inequality level and poverty rate across the OECD, Mexico and Turkey excepted. Since 2000, income inequality has increased rapidly, continuing a long-term trend that goes back to the 1970s... Wealth is distributed much more unequally than income... the top 10% hold 71%"
What the fuck! Dude you should of found out who he was and made a complaint. Fucking racists dicks. But I feel you, best to be out of their way and not get killed for something stupid going on their heads like the poor fellow in this story.
If I would live there, I would take the audio of "I can't breath", loop it for hours and put speakers near the policestation. Or make it an app and tell people to play it loudly near NYC cops to remind them of this horrendous murder.
As far as I read in this thread there is no lesson to be learned if they policement go scottfree every time. It's an inconvinience at best as it seems.
Unifying citizens. Problem is that as bad as this is, people will excuse this away as a certain class that is affected by the broken justice system. That the police are doing just fine, and there's nothing of merit being complained about.
As others have mentioned, this is happening to all of us. Not just the brown people, but everyone. Watch that vice documentary on the undercover cops, and the DA threatening parents. You can't fucking do that to citizens, but its happening. It continues to worsen, and the division between us is what keeps everyone from realizing just how bad our society has become.
Its the same with politics. The more we are all divided on issues that don't really matter, we will continue to bail out banks, trillions in defense budgets when we can't educate our kids, or give any of us healthcare. These are all creating large problems for our population. Outside of the wealthy, or the wanna-be wealthy, Americans are hurting. We are dying younger than any other nation, our cancer rates are worse, autism is worse, and addiction to opiates is worse.
If citizens from all classes realized we have unity in being american, we'd be able to have a voice that could combat even the strongest lobbyists.
Dividing us has ushered in the patriot act, ndaa's, laws against protesting etc. We all should have fought for Muslims rights, and perception in this country. Instead, we let the government divide us into an us-vs-them mindset. Then the rest was easy. Now we just move from us-vs-_____. Once people are promoted to be perceived to be less, we have abuse happening against those people. "THUGS" "GAYS" "MUSLIMS" "REDNECKS" all do nothing but create misery for people, and enables the government to consolidate power.
there is a shrinking difference in police armament and the military, which is what our forefathers warned us about. Ex Military is making its way into the ranks of police. The mentality of us-vs-them, again, is in full effect here. Co-Military/Police interactions are terrifying when these people are used by lobbyists to protect their interest ahead of civilians. Occupy wallstreet was a grand example of this. They were smiling.
water_wendi
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There is a reason police in the US are outfitting themselves with military grade armor such as mine-resistant vehicles. This tells me they are expecting something.
OMG that video is so fucking sad. My condolences to that guy's family. He just wanted to be left alone and the cops feel threatened just because he is raising his voice to let him be. When a person his size weeps that he cant fucking breath, you lay off him and give him some room.
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Its hard not to hate on cops but even when they kill a fucking person, they feel the need to unload their whole clip AND THEN HANDCUFF the dead person just "incase" that person who was shot like 10 times is still alive and is "thinking" of running with all those fucking wounds. Sorry about this little rant but its the truth.
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Its hard not to hate on cops but even when they kill a fucking person, they feel the need to unload their whole clip AND THEN HANDCUFF the dead person just "incase" that person who was shot like 10 times is still alive and is "thinking" of running with all those fucking wounds. Sorry about this little rant but its the truth.
NullPointer
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(NY Daily News)NY Daily News said:
God damn it all.
Let this at least be a moment when something changes.
dripdripsplash
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I live in Denmark.
A police officer in this country is trained and educated to handle such things in a de-escalating manner, it would simply never get this far. And if it did, he would lose his job.
What wouldn't happen is a dozen of other cops jumping on him while choking him.
Not that your response is in any way in line with what you quoted, but, here. This is how Norwegian cops handle a drunk guy yelling at them. Could you just imagine how this would go down in America?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnkbdUJzJAk
DoktorEvil
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I watched the video again to make sure: the guy wearing the 99 and the cap is a cop??
Why isn't he in uniform and why is everyone else?
I'm asking because if that's not a cop as that's a civilian interfering... I hope that fucker gets the chair.
Why isn't he in uniform and why is everyone else?
I'm asking because if that's not a cop as that's a civilian interfering... I hope that fucker gets the chair.
im not sure either, if its a cop, its like hes a damned finger man from V for vendetta. I mean, I wouldn't listen to that guy if he claimed he was a cop.
Maybe hes a special forces undercover agent working for the tobacco company to make sure cigarettes aren't sold w/o being taxed?
NullPointer
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Plain clothes anti-crime unit is how I've seen those guys described.
Frank Lemon
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so godamn crazy, they kill you right on the fucking sidewalk in broad fucking daylight!
DoktorEvil
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I really want to know. He escalated the whole fucking thing. Maybe it was one of the guys who were in the fight he broke up? The video being somewhat short only shows the dude trying to talk to cops, but not the fight before? Wouldn't that ALSo be something posted online?
IIRC if he's plain clothes, he has to have something identifying him as LEO.
He's a police officer. He has a visible sidearm. After the guy is down he then assists in backing away the crowd. If he wasn't supposed to be there he would have been removed or detained.
By the way here in Arizona, I have seen arrests happen in which the arresting officers have street clothes on. With one arrest, the cop lied and said he hit the guy's car to get him out of the apartment. Then the cop made the arrest. This is for arrests with warrants.
Pretty much every week, if not multiple times a week, I see this news story of police killing an innocent or not-definitely-guilty person.
I don't know what is a problem if that isn't.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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People want to talk about individual cops rather than the institution of them because it makes it easier for them to justify and move on from heinous bullshit like this.
If a group of people from any professional organization killed a person on the sidewalk in the middle of the day, how would we react?
If a group of people from any professional organization killed a person on the sidewalk in the middle of the day, how would we react?
But cigarettes are bad for you! They are only looking out for your best interest. But since this is America, we can't outlaw them so we'll just tax the hell out of them so that they are so expensive hardly anybody can afford them causing a black market over damn cigarettes.
Piston Hyundai
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Grenouille
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this video. fucking hell
He was resisting arrest. It was his fault the officer didn't listen, and sat on him as he died.
I don't believe what I just typed, but well... some folks.
Yeah, but he was cuffed at that point, so I don't get why they won't move.
police shoot people handcuffed too..
Next subject you wanna bring up? It doesn't make sense because the police are out of control in america.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...s_police_fatally_shooting_handcuffed_man.html
June 18 2014 7:56 AM
ryutaro's mama
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I'm not gonna watch that video..no way. I don't want the images of a man dying in broad daylight in my head.
Man, reading some of these comments in this thread ranging from "the guy should have just cooperated" to "it's a shame that those cops got so aggressive" it's a shitty, "oh well" attitude that allows the status quo to continue.
The vibe from this is: Clearly the man was doing something wrong and if he got killed, well, unfortunately these things happen, what can you do?
SMH
I think that mentality sickens me just as much as reading what happened to this victim...and yes, he was a victim, much to the dismay of the police defenders in this thread.
Man, reading some of these comments in this thread ranging from "the guy should have just cooperated" to "it's a shame that those cops got so aggressive" it's a shitty, "oh well" attitude that allows the status quo to continue.
The vibe from this is: Clearly the man was doing something wrong and if he got killed, well, unfortunately these things happen, what can you do?
SMH
I think that mentality sickens me just as much as reading what happened to this victim...and yes, he was a victim, much to the dismay of the police defenders in this thread.
D: Stories like these (and most of the time when guns are involved), make me feel glad that I don't live in the US.police shoot people handcuffed too..
Next subject you wanna bring up? It doesn't make sense because the police are out of control in america.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...s_police_fatally_shooting_handcuffed_man.html
June 18 2014 7:56 AM
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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And that's the most terrifying thing. What are you supposed to do when its law enforcement themselves are committing brutal acts? You can't call the police on the police. Any onlookers are absolutely powerless in every sense of the term.
HalfBakedProphet
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the "you just need to give in/submit" posts in here are pretty eye opening, for sure. I don't understand how people don't value their own autonomy and liberty.
I would suspect that the answer to your question is something like "every poor black guy." This type of thing predates De Blasio by quite a bit.
I'm from NYC and moved away about 15 years ago...
Growing up there, it was known that being poor and having the police initiate contact with you was potentially life ruining or life ending. I couldn't take a toy gun outside because my family feared I'd be shot by a cop. Though I never had any trouble with NYC police personally, but I was taught to steer clear of them. Stories like this came up often enough to make that seem like decent advice...
Haven't watched the video and I think my life will be slightly better for it..
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I just have to assume they've never been threatened with an actual gun, handcuffs, or their freedom being taken away. They have to think it only happens to other people.
If there's a more sinister reason they have than that, I don't want to know it. This stuff hurts to have on my mind.
Remember that story making the rounds of the good cop that bought a homeless man shoes?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/25/homeless-man-lowes-new-boots_n_2552890.html
that was the same cop in my post above. Shooting a man.
#NotAllCops.
ryutaro's mama
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It's blaming the victim, plain and simple. It's not the cops fault they were excessive...he should have submitted to whatever they were doing and it would have been a-ok...look at that video where the dash cam had to clear a guy who was very clearly cooperating and terrified he would be shot.
Tell me...what more could he have done to cooperate there? His hands were up, he wasn't reaching for anything and you have these cops that would have gotten away with it all if not for the video.
I bet jail is full of guys with similar situations where there was no dash cam to save the day.
Absolutely disgusting.
djplaeskool
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For me, there comes a point where surviving supersedes keeping autonomy.
Footage like this frightens me. Frightens me to the core.
It reminds me that if I slip up, I could be snuffed out, and even the outcry of a million voices won't bring me back.
Christ, I shouldn't have watched this...
kame-sennin
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police shoot people handcuffed too..
Next subject you wanna bring up? It doesn't make sense because the police are out of control in america.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...s_police_fatally_shooting_handcuffed_man.html
June 18 2014 7:56 AM
That good apple went bad!
Wow, fuck those cops. That video is absolutely tragic and heartbreaking... to think the guy I saw standing there should be going about living his normal life this very moment. Jesus... it's so fucking wrong. The way police act in situations like this is just upsetting and it really does feel like something the country isn't willing to rise up against and say no to yet, and we absolutely should.
TheKaeptain
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neoism
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you mean two weeks....
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smh sooo sad and pointless...
sometimes Im really glad I live in a small town with only like 15 cops lol....If you can't beat em..
Fahrenheit
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I really wanna see whats gonna happen to these cops.
kame-sennin
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The onlookers weren't powerless. They could have stopped it immediately if they wanted to. They chose not to because the fallout would be terrible, and that's completely understandable.
It's even more disturbing when you consider the number of women who have been raped by on-duty police officers, especially the NYPD. Who would dare suggest that they "submit"?
Nothing. Nothing will happen to them. At the most, the very very most they might lose their jobs, and that will be for making the cops look bad, not for killing a guy.
Thank you.
I'll write it out for him while I'm at it:
- Better wages, better health care, better retirement will likely attract "more qualified" people for the job. That's not hard to understand. If the main lures are just "to serve and protect" and "power", you're not going to get all good apples.
- Better selection process. One of the issues here are right now in positions of hiring are people without higher education, and are just "vets". While some are good, many don't have the education themselves to properly judge/weed out people. It'll continue to be this trend for at least another decade or so unfortunately.
- Politics. Politics are a major issue. From hiring, to operational.
As soon as you can prove to the public that there are no good cops, not a single one. Of course the bad stuff is front and center 1st page news, while good stories are buried on page 22.
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