Just keep moving them goal posts. Plenty of people played SWTOR and yes it had a story whilst Destiny doesn't.
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Just keep moving them goal posts. Plenty of people played SWTOR and yes it had a story whilst Destiny doesn't.
Well actually, the leaked contract said they would make 4 games (with DLC in between) over 10 years. A game every other year. If that contract still stands, Destiny itself won't get too much done to it (compared to actual MMORPGs or even Diablo 3) since in 2 years there will be Destiny 2.
Real MMORPGs are made to be updated for as long as there are subscribers. Some are 10+ years and still going with the same base game. Destiny won't have that.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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What's the MMO part of Destiny? There's no chat system at all, large clans need subclans to operate, you can't trade or sell items with others, and 95% of the missions don't have matchmaking.
PrivateWHudson
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Yeah, got all that by listening to DinklebotHe's the primary vehicle for story/exposition, after all. It's a piss-poor way to communicate the story, and one of Destiny's many sins on that front.
Where did you get the part about
coordinating through time...past/present/future?
And is it even relevant?
If true, why don't they show up on the Earth or Moon to try and stop me before I'm even told by the Exo about them?
Omotesando
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I played Wow for two years, ask me what happened and I can't tell you a single bit. I now Arthas summoned a dragon in that cool cg movie, that's it.
Anyway I did like the WoW world though and its lore. I also like Destiny's world, I think it shits all over Halo and is the best that Bungie has ever done. Black Garden is kinda epic and looking forward to see some more space opera goodness.
That's pretty much like all of us who played the Alpha/Beta and had high hopes for the full game. Turned out we played most of the game already.
There are plenty of neat ideas, but the way the story is told leaves a lot to be desired.
I've never thought a game could use more cutscenes before, but Destiny could really do with some more cutscenes.
Poodlestrike
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Dinklebot exposition in the Black Garden (backed up by the Grimoire, IIRC). As for your second point, that's because
Bungie didn't really think this through. If the Vex are really doing something like that, then they've already won, because that's an intelligence advantage that simply can't be overcome. Either that, or the time travel mechanics operate on Whovian rules; that is, they're exactly powerful enough for the plot of the week.
Omotesando
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Well I think it wants to be a MMO. You have got single player stuff, strikes (3 player coop), raids, typical MMO grinding like gathering, missions and grinding. I wouldn't call it a Shooter or whatever.
Play destiny for the gameplay and co op with friends. The story is background noise but there if you really search it out. The game has tons of exploration and feels large. Its mechanics are what hooks you.
Poodlestrike
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Don't lie to the man.
They should have a system to stop that yes. I've def seen a few players do it. Maybe there stats show a ton of people doing it and they add in a poot requirement that requires so many inputs of diff kinds that the player needs to hit. Idk.
I think 1 loot drop should be random and the second one should be based on performance making it maybe a 25% chance boost to drop the second one. Something just so people have a small but valuable incentive to do well
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I feel like it's a plain old FPS that pretends to have MMO elements so people can excuse what's missing or terrible in it based on that.
I can't get over how disappointed I am in Destiny and Bungie. PSO had a similar structure 14 years ago and was way better at launch in nearly every way.
Omotesando
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Srry what's moving a goal post?
It's a joke, I know it's monday man. Other then trying to be Wow, Swtor's shtick is story.
I think gatti-man is right here depending on perspective. Compare it to other more linear shooters like Fear or Call of Duty or something and Destiny's world is actually quite large and has infinitely more exploration to be done.
Poodlestrike
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I guess from that perspective it works. But compared to any other allegedly non-linear or open-world game, it doesn't stack up.
The zones themselves are big, but there aren't many of them, so going to the same locations repeatedly only serves to exacerbate the game's other flaws. For a game all about grinding for loot, it feels decidedly small.
Hey, you're the one who asked a question, got a perfect answer, then shit all over it. That's moving the goal posts.
But LOLOLOL good joke man, too funny.
MMaRsu
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Lets hope Sony is as forgiving.
DarknessTear
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I've played it for countless hours so far. I'm level 27, and I have to say... I don't really want to go back to it except for the raid. That really is all the game has left for PvE content. Sure, I can farm the cave for countless hours again, but... that is what is making me hate the game more than anything. They haven't made it fun to get gear. They didn't make the gear progression interesting. And the fact that the raid gear isn't unique and better/better looking than everything else is bullshit. They just don't understand how raids work. Who the fuck wants a shader for your gear? That's it? What the fuck?
Omotesando
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Well, you think public events, raids, strikes and a very fast (matchmaking and lagfree) mp component are pretending? I think they are trying hard and failed in a couple parts, but then again I have never been a big Bungie fan, so I think my expectations weren't as high as yours.
I know I'd read them if they were in the game, maybe have dinklebot read them out seeing as he hardly does anything? Most people don't want to stop playing the game to read lore about the game, I know I don't
Omotesando
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I told you it is monday.
I still don't know what moving the goal post is. Is it posting for the count? If so I don't see the relevance.
Poodlestrike
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Yeah, my Grimoire score is somewhere north of 1700, and I've read every card. Still doesn't excuse anything. In fact, sometimes it exacerbates the problem. There are cards in there with dialogue (actual dialogue! Gasp!) directed towards your guardian, from those wonderfully voiced tower NPCs, that somehow never managed to make it into the game.
RAGE
TheVoidDragon
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I don't get why people keep saying Destiny is an MMO or is MMO-like. What determines if a game is an MMO is the amount of players, not the features of the game. There are a few features that some MMORPGs have that Destiny does as well but those don't make it an MMO or MMO-Like. In an MMO they are are just common RPG features that have been adjusted to better suit the online-aspect of the game, they don't have anything to do with if a game is an MMO or not, just if it's an RPG.
"What mmo got story ?"
" wew, swtor got story."
"Who play that game anyway"
please, then say I know those sticks is story, then why do you ask what mmo have story.
If your game needs a companion app to tell it's story, then it might as well not have one. All the Grimoire card info should have been in the game, easily accessible in something like the Mass Effect codex.
this would be great advice except story isn't even close to the point of destiny. it's blowing things up and getting loot.
I think this is all I have seen:
Not an official statement and he deleted the tweet soon after.
The Secret World has an amazing story and lore.
Poodlestrike
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Handful of tweets; nothing official.
Moving the goalposts is an argumentative technique/fallacy where, upon receiving a successful counterargument, you redefine the issue. It seemed to go from "MMOs with a stronger story than Destiny" to "MMOs that 'people have played' with a stronger story than Destiny."
If all you were doing is making a joke, I apologize, but it's not a terribly uncommon occurrence around here to get someone who does it with total sincerity.
Yeah, but he was responding to my post where I outlined the plot; the context was that the story was proving to be an attraction, when in reality, it probably shouldn't
Omotesando
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Well you got me. Somewhow, games that are made under wow's umbrella doesn't seem to exist in my mind. They come and go.
You can always Google things you don't understand man, wonders of the internet an all.
"Moving the goals posts means to change the criterion (goal) of a process or competition while still in progress, in such a way that the new goal offers one side an intentional advantage or disadvantage."
I think this is all I have seen:
Not an official statement and he deleted the tweet soon after.
- "Weekend" merchant will not bump up a score
- Ill-defined events will not bump a score
- The raid is only available to a minority of players, could move the needle but the grind to get there is not fun
Omotesando
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If a developer wants to push some parts other parts will suffer. It's the old time and money thingie.
? It's their problem . And we score them because of that ?
Omotesando
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You can do whatever you want.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Seriously, I don't know why he would expect any of those three things to have any effect on the score. Especially Xur, lol. OH A WEEKEND VENDOR? +1 POINT.
GuitarAtomik
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Pretty much. It's like they heard the complaints about Halo 4's important story details being locked behind terminals and thought "We can one up that".
EDIT: Maybe that's harsh. There's nothing VITAL in the Grimoire, but if you want anything more than the most cursory understanding of pretty much anything in the game, you have to read those.
I should re-phrase it. What I mean is: " they can chose to focus in whatever they want but when the review come out, they still have to score every aspect of the game" .
IonicSnake
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Angry Joes review was spot on. It's insane.
Now you are trying to explain why the story isn't good. Are you mixing up defense with explanation?
NemesisPrime
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Very weak attempt at trolling TBH.
There might be much hate for SWTOR, but the story was rather good.
Omotesando
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Yea, but my point is do you score a fighting game for its fighting mechanics or the story. I know people want their story in their FPS, but I don't think that was the main concern of Bungie, rather then for example Irrational.
NemesisPrime
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Good... because it is shameful to say something like that.
Yeah it seems bungies idea was to give some weight and merit to the app but not everyone wants to browse the app. I try to do it in my free time. I would much prefer to be able to read them at a spot in the tower but I gotta give credit where its due this is the first ap to feel worth opening up for a a game for me
Omotesando
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I never defended its story.
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