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He's not helplessly ignorant. He's a trolling asshole.
stop being naive.
James Chen just threw out a random benchmark which was that a major should be able to fill a 256 man bracket for the most popular game present (so USF4). Of course take it with a grain of salt.
I feel like a major should have big numbers and big out of state presence. There is no benchmark for this obviously but it's pretty obvious that Summer Jam is not on the same level as Final Round.
I feel like a major should have big numbers and big out of state presence. There is no benchmark for this obviously but it's pretty obvious that Summer Jam is not on the same level as Final Round.
QisTopTier
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I'm probably going to try and go right back on Friday as well and try to wrap up all my lowers back to back. I feel it will probably be a little rougher on me at first but drawing it out long term doing a bit every week has been draining me really badly.
please stop harassing me.
theprodigy
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so uh....how many USF4 tournaments have had 256+ entrants this year? lol
Lostconfused
Member
People should have just suggested the authentic arcade experience and trying to guess the inputs on their own.
Art of fighting had special bonus stages that told you inputs for special moves. Guilty Gear had some special moves shown during pre-match screens I think? Its a bit of a lost art these days.
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Osu 16 Bit
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I like how internally in the NRS community we are constantly arguing about what counts as a major and everyone in our community think it's just something we do that's dumb but the rest of this FGC is this mature utopia where no one else has those kinds of silly debates. Turns out everyone does it. Personally I love policing and ranking tournaments.
Passive Assassin
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CEO 2014
EVO 2014
SCR 2014
Final Round 2014
Pretty much the 4 tournaments that most people agree to be "majors". These are the 4 I checked, there might be one or two more that broke the 256 mark.
Osu 16 Bit
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An easy way to judge is based not on who wins or places but who doesn't. If there's a decent turn out but the guys getting 13th or 9th are not regular placers then it probably wasn't a major. The farther back you get, where there's super top guys getting 9th, 13th, 17th, 25th, even outside top 32, that's when you can tell. There's a lot of majors where the top 8 is stacked but right outside it is not.
Passive Assassin
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maybe ncr.
Yeah, but only in arcade mode IIRC.
Probably talking specifically about US tournaments here. Although those tournaments would definitely qualify as major too based on Chen's criteria.
if those tournies have lots of folks coming from outside the region that the tourney they're hosted in then they're a major for sure (imo the outsider aspect is important, but the scene isn't so large that 250+ competitors will come from simply within the region so the 250+ mark is generally good enough to encompass that too)
it's just a 'japanese major', instead of an 'american major'
not sure if it works for europe though, it seems like competitively it's even more niche there so that number might be too large to determine what a major in europe would be
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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That's how I used to play. Just pick a character and press random buttons and movement inputs.
That's why I liked Killer Instinct 64 when I was younger. I would literally roll my thumbs across the stick and buttons and get actual combos.
link?
Thanks! Will check it out.
Shouta
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I think Majors have two components, IMO.
1) attendance (targeted) demographics: Any tournament that's targeted specifically to as many people as it can, especially outside of their area, and has significant numbers of folks coming for it is a major. Tournaments focused on the people from that general area and has minor presence outside of their normal folks is a regional.
2) Game representation: There has to be solid representation for the big games that are currently played, particularly if it aligns with our biggest event currently, Evo. Having one game have huge numbers but every other game have super low to no entrants makes it really hard to call it a major considering the image we have of what a major event is.
I don't like using just raw numbers. it's not indicative of the event itself because even if you get 250 for USF4, what if every other game got like 5-10? That really means it's big or major USF4 tournament but it's not a big fighting game event unless USF4 is the only game that counts.
1) attendance (targeted) demographics: Any tournament that's targeted specifically to as many people as it can, especially outside of their area, and has significant numbers of folks coming for it is a major. Tournaments focused on the people from that general area and has minor presence outside of their normal folks is a regional.
2) Game representation: There has to be solid representation for the big games that are currently played, particularly if it aligns with our biggest event currently, Evo. Having one game have huge numbers but every other game have super low to no entrants makes it really hard to call it a major considering the image we have of what a major event is.
I don't like using just raw numbers. it's not indicative of the event itself because even if you get 250 for USF4, what if every other game got like 5-10? That really means it's big or major USF4 tournament but it's not a big fighting game event unless USF4 is the only game that counts.
irfaanator
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I agree
I love this stream. Mikado!
I can guarantee that SCR and Final Round did not have 256 people for USF4.
http://capcomprotour.com/congratulations-to-ryan-hart-final-round-xvii-champion/
This link states FR had 300+ entrants.
SCR had like 170+ pre-registered players and was using a 256 man bracket. It was probably short of 256 bracket but the point James Chen was making that a major should be able to fill out a 256 bracket. So in that regard he would consider Socal a major.
Edit: NVM I just realized that USF4 wasn't even out for those two events. LMAO!
kind of silly to throw out a random arbitrary number as the benchmark when only one or two games hit that number most events anyway. if 256 man bracket is the case, there have been like, no anime majors lol. tekken hasnt had a major in a long ass time if that's thr case...
shouta has the right idea
shouta has the right idea
theprodigy
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haha I was waiting for someone to say this xD
He said 256 is just for the most popular game... not for every game.
Every game will have it's own benchmark for being a major and that benchmark gets shifted every year. At one time 256 would've been a good enough number to be considered a major for MVC3 but now you probably have to look towards a more realistic figure like 128 to be considered a major.
Every game will have it's own benchmark for being a major and that benchmark gets shifted every year. At one time 256 would've been a good enough number to be considered a major for MVC3 but now you probably have to look towards a more realistic figure like 128 to be considered a major.
hehe
Leaving out Capcom games, there are certain majors that are considered a specific major.
I think Anime heads consider NEC their big event most of the time.
Final Round is Tekken. KIT and maybe Strongstyle (don't know if there are plans another one) are also big
Holy shit this guy's stream quality is BANANAS!! It's like I'm watching the actual game!
There were a lot of really nice-looking Xrd videos from TGS. This Madcatz video is still kinda blocky (probably because of Youtube), but it's a bit cleaner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR1P-97wgMg
Thomasorus
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I agree with Shouta and I think a major is a major and that you can't reduce a whole event importance because small games are doing low numbers. Small games are very important.
Except maybe at EVO for SF4, no game is self sustainable. Even if you do a 256 entrants tournament with SF4, these 256 entrants will not be able to pay for your event and are not profitable. You need to make your setups run during the whole event and earn money to make them run. It can be done by doing team tournaments, but the simple way is to add games. When you have 5 games with 32 players, that's 160 people paying a fee. If your fee is 10$, that's 1600$ for the event. That's not big money, but maybe it can pay for the electricity of the setups or the hotel for the staff.
I'm not Mr Wizard but well, maybe the "small" KOF tournament money was the thing that made it possible to have this giant EVO logo on the ceiling and that's super great.
Except maybe at EVO for SF4, no game is self sustainable. Even if you do a 256 entrants tournament with SF4, these 256 entrants will not be able to pay for your event and are not profitable. You need to make your setups run during the whole event and earn money to make them run. It can be done by doing team tournaments, but the simple way is to add games. When you have 5 games with 32 players, that's 160 people paying a fee. If your fee is 10$, that's 1600$ for the event. That's not big money, but maybe it can pay for the electricity of the setups or the hotel for the staff.
I'm not Mr Wizard but well, maybe the "small" KOF tournament money was the thing that made it possible to have this giant EVO logo on the ceiling and that's super great.
Tizoc
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Yeah well I don't rage so much that i break my laptop in half after 4 straight losses in League of Legends.
Holy Order Sol
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Never mind entire games, people can't even be arsed to learn move lists beyond a single page now. XD
#FightingGames2014
#TheFuture
#FightingGames2014
#TheFuture
sixteen-bit
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What about VXG?
*A Multi-day event
*Tournaments run for at least 3 different games
*The largest tournament must contain at least 128 entrants
*At least one other headline tournament must contain at least 64 entrants
*At least 40% of attendees must be from outside the host city
*A significant number of attendees must be from outside the host nation
If and event qualifies under at 3 of those criteria, then I'd likely consider it a Major FGC event.
*Tournaments run for at least 3 different games
*The largest tournament must contain at least 128 entrants
*At least one other headline tournament must contain at least 64 entrants
*At least 40% of attendees must be from outside the host city
*A significant number of attendees must be from outside the host nation
If and event qualifies under at 3 of those criteria, then I'd likely consider it a Major FGC event.
Karsticles
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I don't feel like 2 is important. Why can't we just say an event is a major for series X, but not Y? Smash majors have pretty much only been Smash for the longest time.
Can't a4rd major status.
Brah, you can find plenty examples of the same for North American, European, and South American guys doing the same after being frustrated by a video game. This is not something new or specific to Japanese game players.
sixteen-bit
Member
I hope those folks never explode the same way on their children if they do something wrong
ViewtifulJC
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Are we even sure if Evo was a major?
I mean, think about it
I mean, think about it